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nickwp99 06-21-2008 10:31 PM

HID or not?
 
I have been interested in getting HID lights for my 2002 Jeep Wrangler Sahara and I have found that to get it done professionally at a place using their products is wuite expensive. After looking to ebay, I think there has to be something here that will work. However, everything is priced differently and each kit contains different things, and frankly, I am not quite sure what all I need. I have bookmarked an auction that I was initially interested in and I am just looking to know if this a) will work, and b) if there is anything else I need to make it work.

Here is the link.
Thanks so much

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=320234480329

bpowa 06-22-2008 12:47 AM

I have the 70 dolar h4 ones from ebay.. they are cheap.. not like the ones I had on my audi.the beam pattern sucks but it does its job for70 bucks.. it is 600k and really btight.. everything works but it feels cheap.. if u want a good beam pattern get 200 dollar and up..

tobycat1 06-22-2008 01:56 AM

When you get a kit, tell me how it goes, I might do it myself.

Triple88a 06-22-2008 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tobycat1 (Post 239362)
When you get a kit, tell me how it goes, I might do it myself.


here you go dude, dig in
http://www.650motorcycles.com/CANDLEPOWER.jpg


on the hid,.. get the white ones, there is no need for the blue. They might look "cool" but the blue actually steals away light so your headlights are dimmer.

Jma20a 06-22-2008 04:21 PM

i think that if you want to spend that much on headlights just go with the ipf housings and the fat boy bulbs.

Triple88a 06-22-2008 05:20 PM

fat boy bulbs are in no way better than hid.

Jma20a 06-22-2008 08:35 PM

thats not a true hid system its just bulbs that need a balist. real hid systems go for a $700. hell i could open my grainger master catalog and find a balist to slap under my hood and then get some phosphorescent bulbs for half that price. they are not going to be any brighter than the fat boy bulbs.

bpowa 06-22-2008 10:54 PM

you got any pics of the fatboy setups? hows the beam pattern.. for the money mines are bright as hell.

Triple88a 06-23-2008 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jma20a (Post 239556)
thats not a true hid system its just bulbs that need a balist. real hid systems go for a $700. hell i could open my grainger master catalog and find a balist to slap under my hood and then get some phosphorescent bulbs for half that price. they are not going to be any brighter than the fat boy bulbs.

have you ever heard of the emission spectra?

have you ever seen the wavelengths xenon emits?

Let me try to explain this in the simple ways. The sun pretty much is a mix of elements so it emits all the wavelengths we know of (as humans). You can see it's very bright and releases a LOT of energy and light. Well if the sun was made purely of only one substance, it would emit only that wavelength and it would be much dimmer (each substance has its own specific wavelengths that it emits and some emit more wavelengths than others which is the case with xenon)

This is why xenon bulbs can emit so much more light with less wattage.

Most Halogen lights are filled with bromine or chlorine to reduce tungsten from wearing out which all emit mostly lower wavelengths so they are dimmer. Xenon on the other end emits both lower and higher wavelengths (mostly higher though) which makes more light for less wattage.

So far the best bulbs i've seen (Phillips) are rated about 50% brighter and they are huge. I dont know how much brighter the fatboy bulbs are however they are still using the old technology dude. 35 watt hids create over 3 times more light than standard 55 watt halogens. Even if fatboys create twice as much light as standard hids, they still produce less light than the hids and also take much more electricity to run. At last, hids will last about 10 times as long as a pair of fatboys. A hid kit costs 200? 300? USD. A pair of fatboys costs 80-90? How much do 10 pairs of fatboys cost?


To run a hid, you need the ballasts, the high voltage wiring, the bulbs and at last you will need the starters which i think its just a large capacitor since hids take like 30 amps to start up. And no the 700 price tag you got on your mind is the dealer price and that is like 3 times as expensive as what it really costs. You can find a good HID kit for 200-250 bucks.

bpowa 06-23-2008 12:32 AM

damn tripp came back with all the research.. All I know is I never seen any car/jeep lights/regular bulbs that compare to HID's brightness.. if thats the case they would use fatboys in bmw's, porsche's, and lambo's.. not saying tipf and FB's are bad but it does not compare

Triple88a 06-23-2008 12:37 AM

bpowa, i just took a full semester of the second series of college chemistry (torture) and there were like 2 or 3 chapters just devoted on this spectra crap. This class made me have lots of sleepless nights doing labs and homework. I hope i learned something after all lol


also i just noticed something
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Originally Posted by Triple88a (Post 239687)
Even if fatboys create twice as much light as standard hids

it's a typo it's suppose to say standard halogens not hids

bpowa 06-23-2008 03:05 AM

you learned more than me.. I just took a test yesterday and the only thing I remember from my BS degree that helped was the word Corpus Delicti.

school sucks but I may go back to get a better job.

Triple88a 06-23-2008 01:47 PM

they required it for engineering so i took it.

jeeps&comics 06-23-2008 04:28 PM

hey trip and bpowa, how old are you guys?

solo97tj 06-23-2008 05:21 PM

well i got these for the camaro and i will get them for the jeep i like them a lot i have 10k

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/H4-Bi...5848QQtcZphoto

JK Rouge 06-23-2008 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by solo97tj (Post 239884)
well i got these for the camaro and i will get them for the jeep i like them a lot i have 10k

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/H4-Bi...5848QQtcZphoto

Why would you want purple headlights?
Isn't the point to see where you're going?
Or do you really just want people to look at you?

bpowa 06-24-2008 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JustGotAJeep! (Post 239867)
hey trip and bpowa, how old are you guys?

28.. trip is younger.. I think maybe 20 why?

I got 600k its pure white, after its heated.. if I am behind a white car the reflection from the car lights my eyes up.

jeeps&comics 06-24-2008 05:26 AM

just wondering, i saw you guys talking about college, so I figured you guys were somewhere around my age, but I'm closer to trip's age. just wonderin

JK Rouge 06-24-2008 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bpowa (Post 240055)
28.. trip is younger.. I think maybe 20 why?

I got 600k its pure white, after its heated.. if I am behind a white car the reflection from the car lights my eyes up.

I think you meant 6000K. That is the upper end of white, a bit blue actually. 4800K-5000K is the whitest. Below that is yellow, above it's blueish.

nickwp99 06-24-2008 11:11 AM

So I already have autopal 7" euro conversion headlamp units with H4 halogen bulbs, will any H4 HID kit work? or are there other factors I need to consider in purchase?

4.0l sahara 06-24-2008 11:37 AM

I would love to get some hids. Always liked that really bright white.

MOz 06-24-2008 12:02 PM

I don't know about you guys and your HID's... When I need to see that bad, I just crank on the Hella 7" Black Majics and watch the woods catch on fire.......

4.0l sahara 06-24-2008 12:04 PM

Ya but if you could have both?:cool:

JK Rouge 06-24-2008 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by nickwp99 (Post 240110)
So I already have autopal 7" euro conversion headlamp units with H4 halogen bulbs, will any H4 HID kit work? or are there other factors I need to consider in purchase?

If you want to retain having the high and low beams in the main headlights you will want to get the "telescopic" Hi-Lo H4 HIDs. These have little solenoids that thrust the HID capsule in and out to emulate the two filaments on a halogen H4 bulb. Here's what they look like:

http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/14...500x500Q85.jpg

The bulb on the left is in the low beam position (solenoid extended) and the one on the right is shown in the high beam position (solenoid retracted). I installed these telescopic H4's in my FJR1300. They are much brighter than the OE halogens. I still need to take my dremel and trim down the little moving lower shield behind the bulb so the high beam broadcasts a bit more light down low.

Another alternative for those that have auxiliary driving lights on a bumper hoop (ie at about the same height as the main headlamps) is to fit the main headlamp buckets with low beam only H4 HIDs (which are very inexpensive) and then fit your aux driving lamps with some high beam only lamps. Then just wire them so the lows stay on all the time and toggle the aux lights on and off with the high beam switch. This would give you the best of all possibilities.

Triple88a 06-24-2008 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TJ_Bleu (Post 239895)
Why would you want purple headlights? Isn't the point to see where you're going?

No you want to blind people so they know you have blinding headlights. :eek:

Quote:

Originally Posted by bpowa (Post 240055)
28.. trip is younger.. I think maybe 20 why?

yes i just turned 20 june 1st

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickwp99 (Post 240110)
So I already have autopal 7" euro conversion headlamp units with H4 halogen bulbs, will any H4 HID kit work? or are there other factors I need to consider in purchase?

2x, do you need new reflectors if the HID bulbs are still H4s?

tobycat1 06-24-2008 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple88a (Post 240149)
yes i just turned 20 june 1st

I turned 18 on May 1st :D


I might be the youngest one on here, not sure though.

JK Rouge 06-24-2008 04:00 PM

I might be the oldest. Geeze... you boyz are making me feel ancient.

bpowa 06-24-2008 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TJ_Bleu (Post 240072)
I think you meant 6000K. That is the upper end of white, a bit blue actually. 4800K-5000K is the whitest. Below that is yellow, above it's blueish.

Actually its not blue at all.. when it warms up. every hid has slightly different rating.. can you get a picture of the beam pattern of the bulbs you posted up? That heat shield looks like it would inprove the beam pattern..

For the post above I used the autopal h4 conversion.. it has a metal backing and I added rtv around the lens incase of moisture.

Heck Bleu u r old.. I am 28 and I feel Much older than 20.. But atleast we all share the smae interest, in jeeps..

4.0l sahara 06-24-2008 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TJ_Bleu (Post 240228)
I might be the oldest. Geeze... you boyz are making me feel ancient.

I'm 16 that make you feel better?

JK Rouge 06-24-2008 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bpowa (Post 240251)
Actually its not blue at all.. when it warms up. every hid has slightly different rating.. can you get a picture of the beam pattern of the bulbs you posted up? That heat shield looks like it would inprove the beam pattern..

For the post above I used the autopal h4 conversion.. it has a metal backing and I added rtv around the lens incase of moisture.

Heck Bleu u r old.. I am 28 and I feel Much older than 20.. But atleast we all share the smae interest, in jeeps..

Well, the shield isn't for heat. It's for the sharp beam cutoff that you want on euro type beam pattern. Here are the those telescopic H4's installed in my FJR:

1st the stock Halogen H4 low beam:

http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/30...500x500Q85.jpg


and the stock Halogen high beam:

http://inlinethumb29.webshots.com/43...500x500Q85.jpg


Now the H4 telescopic HID low beam:

http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/13...500x500Q85.jpg

and the H4 telescopic H4 High beams:

http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/94...500x500Q85.jpg

It's hard to appreciate the difference in light intensity because I took these with an auto focus, auto exposure camera. But I think you can see that the 4800K lights are very white.


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