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yomondo 10-28-2012 09:19 PM

12/1/12 Last Chance Canyon & Burro Schmidt Tunnel (maybe Goler Gulch)
 
Sorry for this really long post, but I just want to make sure that all the information anyone needs for this run is right here in the first post of the thread.

This is a newbie and stocker-friendly run, but also good fun for experienced wheelers, with harder lines and optional obstacles. If you're a newbie, please let us know so we can make sure you get the instruction and attention you need. Goler Gulch will be tentative depending on how late it gets and who's still up for more wheeling after we're done with everything else.

NWS Weather Forecast for Goler Heights, CA as of 11/30:
Friday Night: 20% chance of rain before 10pm, mostly cloudy, low of 50, 20-30 mph wind
Saturday: Partly sunny, high near 69, 15-25 mph wind
Saturday Night: Mostly cloudy, low of 49, 15-20 mph wind
Sunday: 30% chance of rain mainly after 10am, mostly cloudy, high near 69, 10-25 mph wind

Come for just a day run, or camp Friday (11/30) or Saturday (12/1) night or both nights.
If you're camping, please bring firewood. Thank you.

Requirements/Recommendations:
- Please NO DRINKING ALCOHOL ON THE TRAIL!
- Front and rear tow points required.
- Full-size spare tire required.
- Rock rails: recommended on lifted Jeeps, required on stock height Jeeps unless you understand and accept the risks of not having them.
- CB radio highly recommended.

*** CAMPSITE CHANGE ***
Due to popular vote, on 11/7 we changed the campsite from Holland Camp to the airstrip.


Campsite: Airstrip in Goler Heights, east of the cabin 35.42712,-117.73054
This is a huge primitive camping area, with plenty of room for lots of campers. There are no bathrooms and no water. This campsite is RV- and trailer-accessible, and is an easy 1/2 mile drive up a dirt road from Garlock Road. Cellular service is spotty here. This is BLM land, and if you want to fire off some rounds, people sometimes do so at the far east end of the airstrip, so feel free but please do so responsibly and don't mix alcohol with firearms.

Directions to the airstrip from the 14:
- 35.31218,-117.98685 From the 14 freeway, heading north 20 miles past Mojave, veer right on Redrock Randsburg Road and go 12.1 miles (Note: At 6 miles, you'll pass the Last Chance Canyon trailhead on the left.)
- 35.39283,-117.79852 Keep left onto Garlock Road and go another 4.5 miles
- 35.42191,-117.73607 Turn left (north) onto Charlie Road (dirt road) and go 0.3 mile
- 35.42398,-117.73992 Turn sharp right. The airstrip is just straight ahead a little bit.

Directions to the airstrip from the 395:
- 35.43338,-117.67178 From the 395, turn west on Garlock Road and go 3.9 miles
- 35.42191,-117.73607 Turn right (north) onto Charlie Road (dirt road) and go 0.3 mile
- 35.42398,-117.73992 Turn sharp right. The airstrip is just straight ahead a little bit.

There's a cabin straight ahead on the right, at 35.42495,-117.73701, which is a pretty cool place for a small group to setup camp, or for a larger group to gather around the campfire, however since this is right in the open dirt area, and it's going to be windy, this may not be the best option.

The area east of the cabin, where there's a little more vegetation and less open dirt might be better. It will likely be quieter too, if there are others camping in the airstrip. Unless anyone objects, let's try to setup camp around 35.42712,-117.73054. Here's a GPS track showing the way from Garlock Road to the airstrip and to this specific spot.

Friday Afternoon Caravan:
4:00pm Meet at Jack in the Box on Via Princessa off of the 14 just north of Newhall
Sierra Canyon Plaza Shopping Center
18525 Vía Princessa, Canyon Country, CA 91387
661-251-0017
1. yomondo
2. tkfx

Friday Night Caravan (to be arranged - meet on 14):
1. Xjman1 (mayby)
2. Bhealey28 (maybe)
3. Iwanna

Saturday Morning IE Caravan:
Leaving the Pilot gas station on the south/west corner of the 395 & 58 @ 8:15 sharp
1. WOKNROX
2. highwayman

Here's the plan for Saturday 12/1/12:

We'll be on CB channel 12. Pack a lunch to eat on the trail. Bring snacks and plenty of water.

For those who are meeting us at the trailhead:

Eat breakfast and gas up before meeting at the trailhead.

Directions to the trailhead from the 14:
Your last food/supply/gas stop is in Mojave. From Mojave, go 20 miles north on the 14 to Redrock Randsburg Rd. Veer right onto Redrock Randsburg Rd and go exactly 6 miles to the Last Chance Canyon trailhead on the left. The trailhead is easily overlooked and passed up, so I suggest you zero your trip meter at the Redrock Randsburg turnoff and go 6 miles.

Directions to the trailhead from the 395:
35.43338,-117.67178 From the 395, turn west on Garlock Road and go 14.4 miles to the Last Chance Canyon trailhead on the right.

For those who are at camp Saturday morning, we'll leave camp at 8:15am.

9:00am Meet at Last Chance Canyon trailhead 35.3622,-117.8984 (the days are short, so we want to get a little early start)
We'll air down and disconnect here, and have a quick little pre-run meeting and go over pointers for the newbies and answer any questions.

Bickel Camp 35.4362,-117.8867
After running Last Chance Canyon, we'll stop here to check out this historic mining camp.
Note: If we don't run Goler Gulch, all the rock crawling is behind us at this point and the rest is just historic and scenic stuff.

Burro Schmidt's Cabin 35.4107,-117.87425
We'll stop here to check out Burro Schmidt's old cabin.

Burro Schmidt Tunnel 35.4104,-117.8759
And of course the infamous tunnel. We'll break for lunch here, and you'll also have the opportunity to walk through the tunnel and check it out. Bring a flashlight (which you should have in your Jeep anyway).

Mesquite Canyon Intersection 35.4364,-117.8426
If we DON'T run Goler Gulch, we'll bear right (south) here to head back down Mesquite Canyon, which will drop us off at 35.3889,-117.81695 where we'll air up or head back to camp.

Goler Gulch Intersection 35.4822,-117.8048
If we DO run Goler Gulch, we'll continue north on Mesquite Canyon then bear right (east) here to start heading down Goler Gulch for a little more rock crawling. The bottom of Goler Gulch is at 35.4191,-117.7631 where we'll air up or head back to camp.

Here's a compilation of waypoints and several GPS tracks which lay out the main paths we'll likely follow.

Post up if you'd like to join us.

This run has gotten rather big so I'd like to get an idea what resources we're working with, so maybe we can organize some smaller groups ahead of time. Please let us know if any of the following designations apply to you. I'll keep track on the lists below.

"Trail Leader" - Experienced wheeler with a well working CB radio, familiar with the trail and willing to either lead or tail-gun a small group and assist anyone in the group in any way needed (trail advice, spotting, etc).

"Helper" - Experienced wheeler, preferably with a well working CB radio, may or may not be familiar with the trail, but willing to assist the group in any way needed.

"Helpee" - Newbies and anyone else who would appreciate extra attention and help with trail guidance, extra spotting, etc.

(Those without any of the above designations are assumed to be somewhere between Helper and Helpee.)

Going:
1. yomondo (camping) - trail leader
2. MNTNGOAT (camping) - helper
3. csumjr (camping) - helpee
4. WOKNROX - tail gunner
5. highwayman (day run)
6. NTRLVR (day run)
7. Iwanna (camping)
8. Smokinjoe (day run)
9. Rommelx3 (camping) - helpee
10. Rommelx3's friend Robert
11. sjchoueiry (day run) - tail gunner
12. Six Gun Matt (camping) - helper
13. Six Gun Matt's CJ7 friend (camping)
14. Six Gun Matt's cousin
15. Adamwn2000 (day run)
16. tkfx (camping) - helpee
17. Ancientpath (day run)
18. 462jeep (day run) - helper

Maybe:
1. Bhealey28
2. JeepHerz (camping)
3. pluke the 2 (camping)
4. Ditchdoc - helpee
5. SoCal-Jeeper (day run)
6. csumjr's friend
7. Cons_Table (day run) - trail leader
8. Xjman1 (camping) - helper

We've got one trail leader (yomondo), two tail gunners (WOKNROX and sjchoueiry) and two additional helpers (MNTNGOAT and Six Gun Matt) on the "going" list. Since we only have one trail leader, it looks like we'll stay all together in one big group, with tail gunners and other helpers spread out throughout the line-up. I prefer that the newbies and other "helpee's" be placed at or near the front of the line-up where I can make sure they're getting all the help and guidance they need. Everyone else fall in anywhere.

suicideking 10-28-2012 09:30 PM

Put me down as a maybe.

WOKNROX 10-28-2012 09:45 PM

Sounds good ...move me to the going list...
And a very strong possible on the camping ...!
Thanx..

MNTNGOAT 10-28-2012 09:53 PM

Is there a possiblity of meeting somewhere prior to the trail head and caravaning?

Bhealey28 10-28-2012 10:03 PM

Add me to the maybe list. Will know for sure in 2 weeks.

Bhealey28 10-28-2012 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mntngoat
is there a possiblity of meeting somewhere prior to the trail head and caravaning?

x2

Xjman1 10-28-2012 10:14 PM

For those of us considering camping, where is a good spot to camp? Near the trail head or is there another place recomended? May tow pop up trailer there.

Ancientpath 10-28-2012 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xjman1 (Post 2936575)
For those of us considering camping, where is a good spot to camp? Near the trail head or is there another place recomended? May tow pop up trailer there.

Red Rock Canyon has a very nice camping area and it's close to where we'll be wheeling. Yomondo can chime in as he knows it well.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/red-rock-can...te-park-cantil

This will be a fun trip for sure!

minisaba 10-28-2012 10:32 PM

Is this open to anyone? If yes, put me down as a maybe. I'll be interested in camping if others are doing it too.

yomondo 10-28-2012 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suicideking (Post 2936434)
Put me down as a maybe.

Done! Hope you can make it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WOKNROX (Post 2936492)
Sounds good ...move me to the going list...
And a very strong possible on the camping ...!
Thanx..

Right on! Do you have any preference as to where to camp?

Quote:

Originally Posted by MNTNGOAT (Post 2936510)
Is there a possiblity of meeting somewhere prior to the trail head and caravaning?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhealey28 (Post 2936540)
x2

Well coming from Fullerton, you'll be passing right by me in Burbank, so we could meet up somewhere and caravan. Bhealey28, where are you coming from?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhealey28 (Post 2936539)
Add me to the maybe list. Will know for sure in 2 weeks.

Sounds good. Hope you can make it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xjman1 (Post 2936575)
For those of us considering camping, where is a good spot to camp? Near the trail head or is there another place recomended? May tow pop up trailer there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ancientpath (Post 2936610)
Red Rock has a very nice camping area and it's close to where we'll be wheeling. Yomondo can chime in as he knows it well.

The campground Ancientpath is referring to is Ricardo Campground, where we stayed last September. It has water and vault toilets, but costs $25/night and is first-come-first-served. December is kind of peak season and I'm not sure how early you'd need to get there to get a spot.

There are also a few primitive camping spots I know of in the area:

There's an old landing strip at
35.4254,-117.7379
This is a huge area, commonly used, trailer & RV-accessible, just up the dirt road from Garlock Road, near where the Goler Gulch trail ends.

Holland Camp
35.4628,-117.7967
This is a pretty big area as well, however it's not trailer/RV-accessible unless I think you drive a long way around. It's close to the beginning of Goler Gulch, and not too far of a drive up a relatively easy dirt road from the end of Goler Gulch.

Sheep Spring Camp
35.4998,-117.8038
This is a rather small camping area a little north of the beginning of Goler Gulch.

Colorado Camp
35.4478,-117.8279
This is also a somewhat small camping area along Mesquite Canyon on the way to Goler Gulch.

Again, other than Ricardo Campground, all of these are primitive campsites. So what do y'all think? Does anybody know of any other camping areas?

Quote:

Originally Posted by minisaba (Post 2936650)
Is this open to anyone? If yes, put me down as a maybe. I'll be interested in camping if others are doing it too.

Everybody's welcome. I put you down on the "maybe" list.

Xjman1 10-28-2012 10:47 PM

Wow. Redrock campground looks awesome. I may be able to convince the wife this is a must do run. Looks like 30 miles closer for me than Calico.

Xjman1 10-28-2012 10:49 PM

How many are camping? Should we stake down a spot to camp together?

Xjman1 10-28-2012 10:50 PM

If the group wants to remote camp, we can tent it to so it does not have to be trailer friendly.

JoeBot13 10-28-2012 10:54 PM

It will be a day trip for me ... only about 90 minutes away ... Going to try to bring the fam to this one ... my girls get wicked car sick so I am just going to have to dope them up on Dramamine!!!

Bhealey28 10-28-2012 10:55 PM

I'll be heading there from mission viejo.

Cons_Table 10-28-2012 10:56 PM

I'm sure I can be in for this. :thumb:

yomondo 10-28-2012 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xjman1 (Post 2936722)
How many are camping? Should we stake down a spot to camp together?

I'll keep track of those interested in camping on the first post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhealey28 (Post 2936738)
I'll be heading there from mission viejo.

If you take the 5 to 14, you could caravan with MNTNGOAT and me. If you take the 15 to 395, you could caravan with people coming from the Inland Empire.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cons_Table (Post 2936748)
I'm sure I can be in for this. :thumb:

:thumb:

Bhealey28 10-28-2012 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yomondo


If you take the 5 to 14, you could caravan with MNTNGOAT and me. If you take the 15 to 395, you could caravan with people coming from the Inland Empire.

:thumb:

Sounds good what time are you planning on heading out?

yomondo 10-28-2012 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhealey28 (Post 2936844)
Sounds good what time are you planning on heading out?

I haven't decided yet, but it's a little over a 2-hour drive for me from Burbank, plus time for a gas stop, maybe a breakfast stop, and plus I want to be at the trailhead at least 15 minutes early. So probably somewhere around 6am, maybe earlier depending on breakfast plans.

Edit:
However if we decide to camp, I may want to head out there straight from work on Friday. So we'll have to see how things develop.

Cons_Table 10-29-2012 12:07 AM

I am up to camping or day run either way. If there is enough interest, I wouldn't mind doin a little more remote camping this time...especially with it being peak season for Ricardo assuming we can have a camp fire (we can keep our own, smaller WF crowd). Also, with it close to Christmas, I am sure no one would object to saving some money without having to pay for camp fees.

Just throwing some ideas around...:whistling:

Bhealey28 10-29-2012 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cons_Table
I am up to camping or day run either way. If there is enough interest, I wouldn't mind doin a little more remote camping this time...especially with it being peak season for Ricardo assuming we can have a camp fire (we can keep our own, smaller WF crowd). Also, with it close to Christmas, I am sure no one would object to saving some money without having to pay for camp fees.

Just throwing some ideas around...:whistling:

Agreed remote camping would be good.

minisaba 10-29-2012 12:56 AM

Remote would be great... I'll know for sure if i can go as the day approaches.

BeantownR6 10-29-2012 10:32 AM

im in! remote camping!

yomondo 10-29-2012 10:55 AM

For primitive camping, my first choice would be Holland Camp (35.4628,-117.7967). It's 4 miles up EP-11 from Garlock Road. The road is a bit bumpy at spots, so the campsite is not trailer/RV-accessible, except for offroad trailers. But because of this it's more remote and less likely to be occupied by anyone else. It's a pretty big area with a fire ring and remains of an old structure.

My second choice for primitive camping would be the old landing strip (35.4254,-117.7379). This is a huge area that is trailer and RV-accessible. There's plenty of room for lots of campers, but it's also commonly used, and there are often dirt bikers kicking up dirt all day long like at Hungry Valley.

What do y'all think?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeantownR6 (Post 2937797)
im in! remote camping!

Great! You're on the list.

BeantownR6 10-29-2012 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yomondo (Post 2937864)
For primitive camping, my first choice would be Holland Camp (35.4628,-117.7967). It's 4 miles up EP-11 from Garlock Road. The road is a bit bumpy at spots, so the campsite is not trailer/RV-accessible, except for offroad trailers. But because of this it's more remote and less likely to be occupied by anyone else. It's a pretty big area with a fire ring and remains of an old structure.

My second choice for primitive camping would be the old landing strip (35.4254,-117.7379). This is a huge area that is trailer and RV-accessible. There's plenty of room for lots of campers, but it's also commonly used, and there are often dirt bikers kicking up dirt all day long like at Hungry Valley.

What do y'all think?



Great! You're on the list.

first choice sounds better. is the second where shamrocked was held?

yomondo 10-29-2012 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeantownR6 (Post 2937903)
is the second where shamrocked was held?

Yes.

Xjman1 10-29-2012 12:14 PM

First choice sounds good to me. As of now, count me in.

yomondo 10-29-2012 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xjman1 (Post 2938103)
First choice sounds good to me. As of now, count me in.

Right on! I promoted you to the "going" list. :thumb:

NTRLVR 10-29-2012 12:56 PM

Add me to the maybe list.

I H8RDS 10-29-2012 01:03 PM

Hey Yo Yo- I'd be down for this- remote camping and caravaning up. If nobody from Ventura is going, I'll meet with you in Burbank.

Lorie :cool:


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