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tallzdatank 11-06-2012 07:32 PM

winch line questions
 
so im researching winches to buy, ive decided that an 8000 lb is about all I can afford. now my research has brought up the point that a winch is strongest when its on the end of its line, meaning in order to get 8000 lbs of pull I need to unspool all of the line needed or not. my question is, how much line should I run on the spool. it comes with 94' and to me that seems like a lot of line to get it to full strength would it be better to have say 50' of line, and then 2 or 3 50' sections of cable to use as extensions as needed. I do most of my wheeling in the mountains and usually have trees nearby, but also have a land anchor in case I don't.

Jerry Bransford 11-06-2012 07:49 PM

I run 80' of 3/8" Viking synthetic on mine, it's plenty of rope. Rarely do you need all of the winch's possible pulling power so I wouldn't be worried about it enough to drop down to 50'. And when running synthetic, I will only run 3/8" due to its added safety margin since synthetic after all is more subject to abrasion damage... not that I've ever abraded either of my two synthetic ropes. I would not run a 5/16" synthetic even though it technically is strong enough... when in unabraded condition. :)

tallzdatank 11-06-2012 07:55 PM

thanks for the info, I guess, ill try it with the 94' it comes with until either it wears out or I need to change it. it comes with wire cable, I know the advantages of synthetic but cant afford it. maybe when I need to replace it ill switch over.

Jerry Bransford 11-06-2012 08:01 PM

Whoops sorry I misread your question... yep I would just run the normal length of wire rope. It'd be pretty rare that you would need all the power the winch is capable of only when on the first wrap of cable.

Bamadan 11-06-2012 08:44 PM

If you are worried about strenght of the winch, get a snatch block. That will double the output.

in2jeep 11-07-2012 10:54 AM

Ditto that,if you have a hard pull,just pull off twice the line & use a snatch block.You have doubled your pulling power plus you are closer to 1st wrap on the drum,where it has peak pull.My 8000 lb Ramsey has pulled a Chevy Suburban out of mud up to his frame,I had to tie off to a tree so it wouldn't suck me in,it probably stretched my little jeep a little bit longer!

Sheweezy 11-07-2012 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bamadan
If you are worried about strenght of the winch, get a snatch block. That will double the output.

Definitely worth the money, buy a smaller winch and a snatch block... And your winch is only going to pull as much weight as what it ia mounted to

Jerry Bransford 11-07-2012 01:31 PM

One thing about buying smaller winches... they draw/require far more amperes to pull the same load that a larger winch will. The smallest winch I'll recommend as being adequate is 8,000 lbs... and an 8K winch is more than adequate. I'd be perfectly happy with a winch with a capacity of anywhere between 8K to 9.5K lbs. :)

tallzdatank 11-07-2012 01:41 PM

8k is what im getting. ok so ill buy a snatch block then.

Jerry Bransford 11-07-2012 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tallzdatank (Post 2969580)
8k is what im getting. ok so ill buy a snatch block then.

I really doubt you'll need a snatch block with your 8K winch... at least not so that I'd make that a priority purchase. In 15 years of winching, I haven't needed one yet.

geiman 11-07-2012 02:18 PM

I've never had to use a snatch block because of pulling power with my Jeep, but they can be very useful for changing the direction of the pull. With the amount of trees and brush we can get in up here in the NE that can be very handy, so I'd say something like that might depend on where you wheel.

I would say to plan on getting on eventually, but worry first about getting your winch. A snatch block isn't a necessity, but they can be pretty handy.

tallzdatank 11-07-2012 04:56 PM

right thats what I meant, get the winch, and later buy a snatch block. ive been using a 2.5 ton come along to pull me out if I get stuck. between it and my highlift ive never been so stick I couldn't get myself out *knock on wood*

Leslee 11-07-2012 05:29 PM

Winching 101
 
Does anybody have pictures of winching know how,for us city slickers that dont have the experence you old guys have. Show us how a snatch block works and so forth it could be usefull..

geiman 11-07-2012 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Leslee (Post 2970233)
Does anybody have pictures of winching know how,for us city slickers that dont have the experence you old guys have. Show us how a snatch block works and so forth it could be usefull..

Excellent primer:

Pirate4x4.Com - Extreme Four Wheel Drive

Two basic pdfs that have some simple diagrams:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...LY0DJw&cad=rja

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...JNCoIQ&cad=rja

They're both from Warn, but the concepts discussed can be applied to any winch.

bmpage84 11-07-2012 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Leslee (Post 2970233)
Does anybody have pictures of winching know how,for us city slickers that dont have the experence you old guys have. Show us how a snatch block works and so forth it could be usefull..

YouTube has a bunch of videos on using snatch blocks. Just search "using snatch blocks". There's an Australian guy that has made a few of them, including a nice one on how to winch yourself out backward.

jeepjungle 11-11-2012 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford
I run 80' of 3/8" Viking synthetic on mine, it's plenty of rope. Rarely do you need all of the winch's possible pulling power so I wouldn't be worried about it enough to drop down to 50'. And when running synthetic, I will only run 3/8" due to its added safety margin since synthetic after all is more subject to abrasion damage... not that I've ever abraded either of my two synthetic ropes. I would not run a 5/16" synthetic even though it technically is strong enough... when in unabraded condition. :)

I have a smitty built and I found a bolt was loose in the solenoid box, should they be tight.


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