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Katalst 11-22-2012 07:37 AM

Flat towing a 1959
 
I have a 1959 willy. I also have a 2012 2 door sport. There is an off road park 70 miles from my house. I would like to tow the 59 there with the 2012. I have heard everything from no problem to it will cause the destruction of all mankind (:)) and everything in between. Any good information would be helpful. So far, based upon what I believe it good information I am leaning toward doing it like this:

Transfer case in neutral
tranny in gear
(which is what manual says for new jeeps)

Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

derf 11-22-2012 10:52 AM

If you google flat towing with a Spicer 18 t-case, that's exactly what they suggest. Trans in gear, t-case in neutral.

div4gold 11-22-2012 11:37 AM

Does any of that change in relation to having the front hubs in or out?

derf 11-22-2012 09:01 PM

It shouldn't make a difference.

RubiconRich 11-23-2012 09:45 AM

It shouldn't make a difference. T

There is no need to lock the front hubs you don't what the front driveshaft to turn.

div4gold 11-23-2012 12:04 PM

What's the reason to have the transmission in gear?

duffer 11-23-2012 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by div4gold (Post 3024592)
What's the reason to have the transmission in gear?


The cluster gear in the bottom of the transmission is what circulates the gear lube to the mainshaft and everything else. If the mainshaft is allowed to turn like it would in neutral, the cluster will remain static and no lube would be available to the mainshaft/sliding hubs/front input shaft needles. With the Tcase in N and transmission in gear, nothing will move inside the transmission so it is not a problem.

I have flat towed over 700 miles one way in a day and absolutely no problems if transmission is in gear and Tcase in N. Keeping the front hubs locked out will make for easier towing and a little better mileage.

Will be interesting to see what your thoughts are with respect to towing with the 12. Don't know if the 3.6 has enough poop to maintain a reasonable highway speed with another Jeep tagging along.

derf 11-23-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by duffer (Post 3024698)
Will be interesting to see what your thoughts are with respect to towing with the 12. Don't know if the 3.6 has enough poop to maintain a reasonable highway speed with another Jeep tagging along.

If you keep the revs up, the 3.6 has enough poop to get the job done. You'll probably have to run in a lower gear to keep those revs up but you can do it. Mileage will stink and you won't win any races but you can get down the road. I'd keep an eye on the brakes if you do it very often, just making sure they're in good condition. But it can work.

div4gold 11-23-2012 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duffer (Post 3024698)
The cluster gear in the bottom of the transmission is what circulates the gear lube to the mainshaft and everything else. If the mainshaft is allowed to turn like it would in neutral, the cluster will remain static and no lube would be available to the mainshaft/sliding hubs/front input shaft needles. With the Tcase in N and transmission in gear, nothing will move inside the transmission so it is not a problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by duffer (Post 3024698)
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I have flat towed over 700 miles one way in a day and absolutely no problems if transmission is in gear and Tcase in N. Keeping the front hubs locked out will make for easier towing and a little better mileage.

Will be interesting to see what your thoughts are with respect to towing with the 12. Don't know if the 3.6 has enough poop to maintain a reasonable highway speed with another Jeep tagging along.

Thanks for that info.

Katalst 11-23-2012 08:07 PM

The vehicle to be towed is/was a 1959 CJ but was heavily modified before I got it. Really only original parts are motor, axles, grill and hood. No windshield and entire hub was replaced with custom made aluminum. I don't think it weighs a whole lot (a relative term). But I will let you know how it does. May be a month or so before I get a chance as I will still need to work out the tow bar. Thanks to everyone for the information.

div4gold 11-23-2012 09:48 PM

You got any pictures?

4Jeepn 11-23-2012 09:54 PM

When flat towing.. stopping and panic stops become the issue. Just give yourself plenty of room.

Katalst 11-24-2012 09:28 AM

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Thanks for the reminder on the brakes, you have seen me drive :whistling:

div4gold 11-24-2012 08:44 PM

Thats pretty interesting body work.

duffer 11-25-2012 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Katalst (Post 3025894)
I don't think it weighs a whole lot (a relative term).

Really curious as to what it does weigh. Still guessing 2500-3000 someplace with all the square tube and the cage. The Sport is probably around 3900 lbs so stopping quickly will be an issue. I used a 1T dually when I was flat towing my flatty and the weight difference there was large enough that you barely knew the Jeep was back there.

Custom frame?

Katalst 11-26-2012 06:49 AM

The frame, engine, hood and grill are original. The diamond plate is aluminum. I am really not sure of the weight but I am also curious. Once I get it set up, I will try some SLOW country roads for the testing. I realize that this is just a short term solution but if it might work, then I would only have a little bit invested in the change so thought it might be worth a try.


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