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KILRIK 11-24-2012 06:58 PM

[Help] Going to check this out soon
 
Quick update to my last thread:
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/thin...is-199008.html

Someone linked me to this on my last thread and I got to talking with the guy and it's everything I've been looking for and the miles are fairly low too. I discussed price with him, got a bottom number and it's within my budget. I'm talking with the guy to set up a time to go meet to see it and if everything checks out, I'll hopefully have my 1st Wrangler! :punk:
If I could get any input on what to look for, what to ask, etc. That would be great! I know to check the frame for rust, check 4WD and other things but what else?
I know about Teraflex but I never looked into them since they were out of my price range. Anything to look for?
I've heard about the Master Cylinder problem with the '00 and '01's but how do I check for that?

Alreayd checked, it has a Dana 44.
Lifted 2000 Wrangler 83k miles!

Thanks guys!

Plowboy1970 11-24-2012 07:27 PM

Not master cylinder, cylinder head, part of the motor. Being a 00 it will have it.

KILRIK 11-24-2012 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Plowboy1970 (Post 3028909)
Not master cylinder, cylinder head, part of the motor. Being a 00 it will have it.

Oh, Ok. I'll take it by my mechanic before we make a deal and have him check everything over.
Was this a really common thing on the 00 and 01's or was it just know to happen to some and not others?

Anything else I need to look out for? Looks pretty clean to me.

TJMichael 11-24-2012 09:03 PM

My 2000 Sport is about to roll over 150k on the factory head with ABSOLUTELY NO issues. While there have apparently been some problems reported with the head on these model years, it may not be as widespread as some have thought it to be. I think that the 2000 through 2002 models are some of the best Wranglers ever built, but I actually would not mind owning ANY model TJ (1997-2006) if it has been properly maintained.

jrmiller 11-24-2012 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TJMichael (Post 3029213)
My 2000 Sport is about to roll over 150k on the factory head with ABSOLUTELY NO issues. While there have apparently been some problems reported with the head on these model years, it may not be as widespread as some have thought it to be. I think that the 2000 through 2002 models are some of the best Wranglers ever built, but I actually would not mind owning ANY model TJ (1997-2006) if it has been properly maintained.

^ This, i'm at right around 130k miles and have had zero issues in that department.

KILRIK 11-24-2012 09:51 PM

Thanks for the input about the cylinder head issue. I'll still have my mechanic check everything over.

Anything else I need to look for?

I talked to him some more and he told me up front that it's a trail rig so it has a few marks but nothing serious. I don't think I'll mind...

Edit: Talked with him some more and he said he really doesn't know much about it. The way it sits is the way he bought it.

TJMichael 11-24-2012 10:11 PM

It's a good-looking Jeep. I didn't see any mention of gearing in the ad. That Jeep probably came with factory 3.73's, but with 35's it has very likely been re-geared. If not, it will probably need to be. The factory radiators on most TJs eventually develop leaks where the plastic top portion meets the metal core. Mine has been replaced twice (first time at 91k). That Jeep has pretty low mileage for the model, so it may still have the original radiator. It's not a huge expense to change one, just something to keep an eye on. Hope it checks out to be a good one!

KILRIK 11-24-2012 10:44 PM

Does anyone know anything about the Teraflex lift kits? I'm reading mixed reviews about them. Also, what's a good way to tell what kit was installed? The guy doesn't have a clue as to how much lift it has.

Vinman 11-25-2012 09:36 AM

Twin stick T-case, could be an Atlas.

SD-ROACH 11-25-2012 11:15 AM

I have an 01 tj and just rolled 135k on it. It drives like a champ. I have it on 6" lift and 35's and the 3.73's. I also have some performance mods to balance it out. I don't really feel the need to re-gear yet. As far as the terra flex lift, I hear nothing but good things. The guys at orw are all over them but they are expevsive.

KILRIK 11-25-2012 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinman (Post 3030687)
Twin stick T-case, could be an Atlas.

Would that be a bad thing? I'm not really familiar with a twin stick T-case. What exactly is the benefit?

Also, thanks for the input on the lift. Makes me feel better...

Only thing I'm hesitant about is having it on 35's. I read so much on what all you have to do to prepare for 35's and I want to make sure everything will be Ok. I'm pretty much set on buying it. I just gotta meet the guy.


Since he really doesn't know much about it, I rather be prepared to know what to look for than to hope he can answer my questions.

Vinman 11-25-2012 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KILRIK (Post 3031177)
Would that be a bad thing? I'm not really familiar with a twin stick T-case. What exactly is the benefit?

Also, thanks for the input on the lift. Makes me feel better...

Only thing I'm hesitant about is having it on 35's. I read so much on what all you have to do to prepare for 35's and I want to make sure everything will be Ok. I'm pretty much set on buying it. I just gotta meet the guy.


Since he really doesn't know much about it, I rather be prepared to know what to look for than to hope he can answer my questions.

Yes, an Atlas case is a very good thing.
If you are worried about the 35's, trade them for 33's.

sinbob 11-25-2012 01:58 PM

I have 120K on mine and no problems. If it is a twin stick atlas grab it and run!!!!! They are expensive, gear driven and a way way better xfer than the NP231 (chain driven) that came in it.
Twin stick, 1 stick is for 2whl and 4whl the other for high and low.....which means U can run 2whl and 4whl high and low where a single stick can only go 2whl high, 4wl high and low.
Oh, on buyng a Jeep I waited over a year to get the one I wanted....and got alot of extras to boot.

jrmiller 11-25-2012 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinbob
I have 120K on mine and no problems. If it is a twin stick atlas grab it and run!!!!! They are expensive, gear driven and a way way better xfer than the NP231 (chain driven) that came in it.
Twin stick, 1 stick is for 2whl and 4whl the other for high and low.....which means U can run 2whl and 4whl high and low where a single stick can only go 2whl high, 4wl high and low.
Oh, on buyng a Jeep I waited over a year to get the one I wanted....and got alot of extras to boot.

Actually one stick is for the front axle and one for the rear axle. With a high neutral and low setting for each.

KILRIK 11-25-2012 08:16 PM

Thanks for the responses. I'll take my camera with me and get some pictures but I'm pretty dead set on it now.

How exactly do I identify an atlas transfer case?

KILRIK 11-26-2012 10:55 AM

Well, I called my mechanic and asked whether or not I should bring it in to get it checked out (just to save some time) and he gave me a run down on what to look for. Now the only problem is I can't get a hold of the guy to schedule a time to look at it. :facepalm:

Hopefully I'll get a hold of him but like I asked before, how exactly do I identify an atlas transfer case?

jrmiller 11-26-2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KILRIK
Well, I called my mechanic and asked whether or not I should bring it in to get it checked out (just to save some time) and he gave me a run down on what to look for. Now the only problem is I can't get a hold of the guy to schedule a time to look at it. :facepalm:

Hopefully I'll get a hold of him but like I asked before, how exactly do I identify an atlas transfer case?

Mostly just by looks. I know the Dana 300 can be twin stick but it's a lot of work to put one behind an automatic

Derp 11-26-2012 11:23 AM

The atlas is also a pretty short tcase if I remeber correctly?

KILRIK 11-26-2012 06:14 PM

Finally got a hold of the guy, went for a 45 minute drive to see it and it looks pretty good (but what do I know?).
Just a little back story. The guy really doesn't know hardly anything about it, he said it HAS been re-geared but he doesn't know to what gear. He used to own a '05 but sold it which drove him to buy this one and he said he can tell that it has been re-geared.

The guy he bought the Jeep off of built it for his daughter but after a while decided she didn't like it which is how this guy came to own it. He said since he bought it, the Jeep has hardly been driven at all and has sat in his shop at home. I asked him to show me how to put it into 4WD (I really didn't know how do so on a twin stick t-case) and even he didn't know. After a while of messing with the sticks, he got it to go into 4WD and it looked like once he figured it out, it went into gear easily. Interior has been Herculined (I think that's what he said, either way it's bedlined) and the seats have what looks to be Bestop seat covers. Overall it the interior looks pretty good. As for the exterior, can someone identify that front bumper?

He gladly gave me the keys and let me drive it. I did notice that the breaks were VERY stiff. I've never driving a Wrangler before but I did feel a little bit of vibes (I'm not sure if you'll be able to diagnose this from the pictures) so if someone could explain what the sound/feeling is like, that would help me identify it. Left front turn signal is GONE. He went to Walmart and when he came back, someone had ripped it out. It looks like it needs a new plug. Also, he said one day when he was driving, the fuel gauge just died on him but he never looked into it further because he hardly ever drove it.

It needs some touch ups here and there but overall it looks pretty good. We agreed on $7,800 after a little negotiating (he said $7,800 was his BOTTOM number and wouldn't move) but I told him I had to get some funds together and would give him a call in a day or so (which would allow me to post some stuff on here, ask questions and run the VIN).

Let me know what you guys think?
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free78 11-26-2012 06:50 PM

Low miles, pretty good shape, has a atlass II. I would probably buy it. That jeep would be around $3000 more around me. It's a good price for what I'm use to. Does it leak and how much? Maintenance records? Was mods done by professional or in a home shop? Can you contact previous owner? If you do buy it, I'll trade you my tcase for yours. You know to make it easier for you and all.

jrmiller 11-26-2012 07:01 PM

By the way the atlas alone cost about $2200 he really doesn't know what he has lol. Awesome deal.

KILRIK 11-26-2012 07:03 PM

Having trouble with Photobucket and can no longer edit the post. Here's the two missing pictures.
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KILRIK 11-26-2012 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by free78 (Post 3036013)
Low miles, pretty good shape, has a atlass II. I would probably buy it. That jeep would be around $3000 more around me. It's a good price for what I'm use to. Does it leak and how much? Maintenance records? Was mods done by professional or in a home shop? Can you contact previous owner? If you do buy it, I'll trade you my tcase for yours. You know to make it easier for you and all.

Doesn't look like it leaks, checked all the fluids and everything looks good. Radiator was low and he said he hasn't done anything to it since he bought it (which doesn't sound like it's been very long).
Being that he hasn't done anything to it other than hardly drive it, I doubt he has any records.
The guy he bought it from said he built it for his daughter. I don't know if that means he PERSONALLY built it or just paid to have the work done.
Trying to contact the previous owner may be a long shot but I mat give it a try.

As for that trade, keep dreamin' :D

KILRIK 11-26-2012 07:17 PM

If someone could address my questions about the fuel gauge, vibes I experienced, and the brakes, that would pretty much cover the things I'm worried about.
If someone could tell me what front bumper that is, that would help too...

Can anyone tell me what height this is sitting at? It has 35's on it right now if that helps.
Also, when I would put it into gear, It would kind of pop into gear. I was worried about the transmission but I had read somewhere that it can be because of it being re-geared.

rwhitmore74 11-26-2012 07:18 PM

Pull the trigger on it. You will not find a better deal. Bone stock it is a good deal with all the upgrades it is a great deal!!

4Jeepn 11-26-2012 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KILRIK (Post 3036219)
If someone could address my questions about the fuel gauge, vibes I experienced, and the brakes, that would pretty much cover the things I'm worried about.
If someone could tell me what front bumper that is, that would help too...

Can anyone tell me what height this is sitting at? It has 35's on it right now if that helps.
Also, when I would put it into gear, It would kind of pop into gear. I was worried about the transmission but I had read somewhere that it can be because of it being re-geared.

Lift wise 4-5" with the 35's or more.. Trans pop out would not be related to gears being changed. Could just be the shifter it hitting the frame in the console.. pull the rubber boot and see if you see an issue. If you get it, change all the fluids for starters and go from there.

KILRIK 11-26-2012 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Jeepn (Post 3036316)
Lift wise 4-5" with the 35's or more.. Trans pop out would not be related to gears being changed. Could just be the shifter it hitting the frame in the console.. pull the rubber boot and see if you see an issue. If you get it, change all the fluids for starters and go from there.

It's not really popping out, it's when it's parked and I go to put it in drive, as soon as I do the whole Jeep "jumps" and makes a "thunk" sound. Shifts fine from what I can tell so I'm not sure.
I'm taking it to my mechanic first thing and having it looked over.

Also, any ideas on the brake thing? I'm thinking they tightened them when they put 35's on instead of upgrading the brakes. Not exactly sure though...

free78 11-26-2012 07:44 PM

Agreed, pull the trigger and get it. You could turn around and sale it tomorrow and make money.

What kind of vibration. What was it doing. Was you braking, accelerating or steady speed. 35" tires not balanced or aligned your going to have vibration. As stated above shifter could be hitting something. Not sure about brakes. Try bleeding them. Simple to do and doesn't take long at all.

KILRIK 11-26-2012 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by free78 (Post 3036355)
Agreed, pull the trigger and get it. You could turn around and sale it tomorrow and make money.

What kind of vibration. What was it doing. Was you braking, accelerating or steady speed. 35" tires not balanced or aligned your going to have vibration. As stated above shifter could be hitting something. Not sure about brakes. Try bleeding them. Simple to do and doesn't take long at all.

If I remember correctly, it was mainly when I accelerated. Once I got up to 20 or so I was fine. One thing it may have been was the tires rubbing when I turned and that could have caused it.

If it helps any with the brake problem, the brake pedal itself was VERY hard. You had to pretty much SLAM your foot into it just to start slowing down.

Engine runs fine though, starts up just like it should.
I did notice that the steering wheel was turned almost completely to the right when the wheels where straight. I know that this can be corrected but I'm not sure if that could be connected to one of the problems.

KILRIK 11-26-2012 08:11 PM

The more I look at my pictures and the kits on Teraflex, the more confused I get. Anyone know what kit thing thing has on it?
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