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BeachJeepPhil 11-26-2012 08:10 PM

02 wrangler..Lift kit help needed...
 
Okay guys. I AM NEW here. I have had my jeep for about 2 years now and I love it! (don't we all?) I am looking to Lift my jeep now and have picked out some parts which i will post here. I need opinions on if this is good stuff or if i should look at a diff part. I'm not actually looking for totally off road but more looks kinda.. Eventually i will be going offroad more though. uhm yeah.. so anyways ill stop rambling and post the parts..

these are off of quadratec who I trust as a company and same for all my friends who have suggested them as well.

-Black Rock Series 950 Lobo Wheel with 5 on 4.5" Bolt Pattern in 15x8 Size & 4" Backspacing
-BF Goodrich® All-Terrain T/A® KO Tire in 31x10.50R15 with Raised White Letters
-Skyjacker 4" Economy Lift Kit with Hydro Shocks for 97-02 Jeep® Wrangler TJ
(is skyjacker good? i have heard mixed reviews!) thanks for the help! :)

Full Spool 11-26-2012 08:33 PM

4" lift and 31s is gonna look kinda weak. If it's a beach jeep, I would want fatter tires, like 12.5

BeachJeepPhil 11-26-2012 08:38 PM

well tires i will keep looking. this is only prelims.. but what about the lift kit? need opinions on that

Full Spool 11-26-2012 08:46 PM

Need to know more about your jeep, model, year, engine, transmission, before good advise can be administered.

Maybe even a picture.

BeachJeepPhil 11-26-2012 08:59 PM

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Attached a pic. Best one I have on my phone. Stock jeep. 2002 wrangler.

bobthetj03 11-26-2012 09:16 PM

Haven't heard many good things about Skyjacker. If you're sticking with 31's, a 2-3" lift may be a better choice. BDS and OME come to my mind for quality.

Full Spool 11-26-2012 09:16 PM

I'd go for this look

http://www.atlantajeepparts.com/jeep.../Images/29.jpg

I personally wouldn't put skyjacker on my rig.

BeachJeepPhil 11-26-2012 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobthetj03
Haven't heard many good things about Skyjacker. If you're sticking with 31's, a 2-3" lift may be a better choice. BDS and OME come to my mind for quality.

BDS? OME? Could you.. Link me? I'm new to the lift kits so I am trying to learn. Willing to go up to 34inch tires. Price kills though

BeachJeepPhil 11-26-2012 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Full Spool
I'd go for this look

I personally wouldn't put skyjacker on my rig.

What is the kit on that? Details?

Full Spool 11-26-2012 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BeachJeepPhil (Post 3036901)
What is the kit on that? Details?

Looks like maybe bushwhacker flat fenders
Personally, I like the pocket flares
Bushwacker - Fender Results

Minimum, I'd do Rubicon Express lift.
Rubicon Express 3.5" Super-Flex™ Suspension System for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited - Quadratec

33" bfg KM2
Mud-Terrain T/A KM2 | BFGoodrich Tires

BeachJeepPhil 11-26-2012 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Full Spool

Looks like maybe bushwhacker flat fenders
Personally, I like the pocket flares
Bushwacker - Fender Results

Minimum, I'd do Rubicon Express lift.
Rubicon Express 3.5" Super-Flex™ Suspension System for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited - Quadratec

33" bfg KM2
Mud-Terrain T/A KM2 | BFGoodrich Tires

Yeah and that's the scary part. 1500 for a lift... I was looking a lil cheaper. I know I know.. I need more money but I'm a broke college grad 2012.. And I don't know anyone who can do lifts to trust so I have to go to a trusted company instead. I'm looking to do a basic lift. More for looks but good quality and not too much into mud.. But sometimes trails.. If that makes sense?

Firehound12 11-26-2012 10:44 PM

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If you are going with a 4" lift, I'd go with 33" tires. Also, if you like the pocket flares, go with the "Value Series" 6" pocket flares from Quadratec. Same product as Bushwacker but half the cost.

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This is my Rig at the Quadratec Show and Shine Tent Sale.

BeachJeepPhil 11-26-2012 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firehound12
If you are going with a 4" lift, I'd go with 33" tires. Also, if you like the pocket flares, go with the "Value Series" 6" pocket flares from Quadratec. Same product as Bushwacker but half the cost.

This is my Rig at the Quadratec Show and Shine Tent Sale.

Not worried about the flares right now. What lift kit did you use? That's my biggest concern

BeachJeepPhil 11-26-2012 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firehound12
If you are going with a 4" lift, I'd go with 33" tires. Also, if you like the pocket flares, go with the "Value Series" 6" pocket flares from Quadratec. Same product as Bushwacker but half the cost.

This is my Rig at the Quadratec Show and Shine Tent Sale.

I really like your setup. What stuff do you have?

Bullseye 11-26-2012 11:12 PM

I set my wife's jeep up for looks and function. 2" BDS spring/cool lift, 32" Yokohama tires, new wheels 15 x 8 with 3.75"BS, door handles, adjustable track bars, Rugged Ridge 6" pocket flares and I think we ended up with less than 2k into it.

BeachJeepPhil 11-26-2012 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullseye
I set my wife's jeep up for looks and function. 2" BDS spring/cool lift, 32" Yokohama tires, new wheels 15 x 8 with 3.75"BS, door handles, adjustable track bars, Rugged Ridge 6" pocket flares and I think we ended up with less than 2k into it.

Got a pic? How does the setup work? Any issues?

Firehound12 11-27-2012 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BeachJeepPhil

I really like your setup. What stuff do you have?

Thanks. I have a 4" rough Country lift with Skyjacker Hydro shocks (rough country shocks only lasted a year). 33x12.5R15 Firestone Destination AT tires, American Racing Soft 8 wheels, Value Series 6"pocket flares. And a Skyjacker dual steering stabilizer.

jrussblues 11-27-2012 07:39 AM

If budget is a concern then you can stage your build, maybe run a budget boost and 31's for the time being. You can re sell some of the suspension as you go bigger and help your budget.

Neil F. 11-27-2012 07:39 AM

To the OP, two basic questions first:

1. What is your budget (lift, wheels....everything) including installation if you are not doing it yourself?

2. What are you planning to do with your Jeep, all street or off-road and what kind of off road?

BeachJeepPhil 11-27-2012 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Neil F.
To the OP, two basic questions first:

1. What is your budget (lift, wheels....everything) including installation if you are not doing it yourself?

2. What are you planning to do with your Jeep, all street or off-road and what kind of off road?

My budget is around 3k with installation. I am gonna be working with trick trucks in Frederick, MD since many if my friends told me to go to him. The original stuff I posted was under 3k I believe.

My plan is mainly for looks. 99%street and beach driving.. Not too much off road but there's always that chance.

BeachJeepPhil 11-27-2012 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Firehound12

Thanks. I have a 4" rough Country lift with Skyjacker Hydro shocks (rough country shocks only lasted a year). 33x12.5R15 Firestone Destination AT tires, American Racing Soft 8 wheels, Value Series 6"pocket flares. And a Skyjacker dual steering stabilizer.

Okay. Stupid question here.. But 4 inch lift and hydro shocks. So you combined 2 diff sets of parts? I'm trying to learn about the lift kit stuff haha. Take a look at the original post.. That's the stuff I was looking at possibly getting. What do you think?

Water Dog 11-27-2012 10:47 AM

I have a 4" Skyjacker lift and while they are not quite as bad as some make them out to be, if I had it to do over again I would go with something else. Now having been through it, I would consider buying parts individually. Another thing to think about is while I agree that 31" tires and a 4" lift will look strange, going larger on tires will cause the need to regear your diffs to keep you in a decent power band. I spent about $1500 to regear both axles. Just keep in mind that one thing leads to another when thinking about your budget. It makes sense to think about what you want to wind up with in the end and work towards that goal without throwing $'s at stuff that you'll be replacing down the road. Don't ask how I know..:banghead:

BeachJeepPhil 11-27-2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Water Dog
I have a 4" Skyjacker lift and while they are not quite as bad as some make them out to be, if I had it to do over again I would go with something else. Now having been through it, I would consider buying parts individually. Another thing to think about is while I agree that 31" tires and a 4" lift will look strange, going larger on tires will cause the need to regear your diffs to keep you in a decent power band. I spent about $1500 to regear both axles. Just keep in mind that one thing leads to another when thinking about your budget. It makes sense to think about what you want to wind up with in the end and work towards that goal without throwing $'s at stuff that you'll be replacing down the road. Don't ask how I know..:banghead:

Here is the part where y'all kill me... My jeep is auto... Yeah. If I am just getting parts for my jeep as a street jeep... And beach... But not mud.. Would you recommend the original parts that I posted?

BeachJeepPhil 11-27-2012 10:55 AM

I also might be thinking of going 3 inch lift intend? Still weighing options I guess

markmdz 11-27-2012 11:16 AM

If you're just going for looks and not really looking to exploit all of the off-road capabilities, a bone stock TJ is plenty capable. With that said, I don't see any need for you to gain additional travel out of the suspension, and it's a sick addiction (trust me, I'm the poster child for sick Jeep addiction. I've only had my rig just over 2 months and every other day I'm doing something different to it.)

Anyway, I'd suggest if you were to stick with 31's on 15's, go with a slightly less backspace than stock but not much and an aggressive tire but with great road manners (Goodyear DuraTrac is a great choice IMO). These tires will fit under a stock TJ without any modification.

To get a nice tasteful lift which looks great over a set of 31's, I'd suggest a simple 2" BB and a t-case drop kit. The 2" BB utilizes your stock springs and extends the bumpstops, so your travel does not change, but your height does. The t-case drop will slightly lower the t-case and net you a corrected pinion angle. IMO, even if you don't notice any vibes without the t-case drop, you're still putting your joints at a greater angle which causes more wear on the joint.

2" will give you a slightly more aggressive look, and combined with the 31" DuraTrac's, it'll look damn good. The reason I suggest a backspace only slightly less than stock is because if your tires stick out beyond your flares, even if you hit a tiny puddle, you're going to be slinging mud/water/whatever all over your rig, and while I looks pretty damn cool, it gets old especially when it's your DD.

This whole setup will run you:
Tires: 31x10.5x15 G/Y DuraTrac; 5@ $176.00 = $880.00
Wheels: 15x8 Ultra Rogue Black w/Mach Lip (3.74" b/s) 5@ $98.00 = $490.00
2" poly spacers (BB): here $60.00
Bump stop extenders (BB): here $24.00
T-case drop Kit: here $38.00

Installation: Honestly, if you want to learn more about your rig and how to wrench on it, this is a very very easy kit to install even for someone with very little mechanical knowledge. If you wanted to have a shop install it, there's no material charge and the labor should be 2-3 hours (4 max). Estimating 4 hrs @ $100.00 /hr, you're at $400 here.

Total including install charge: $1,892.00.

If you really wanted to pinch pennies, there's a ton of set of wheels/tires on craigslist or on this forum for $300-800 in very good shape. I can confidently say you can do this whole lift (if buying used wheel/tire combo) for under $1k. Well under that if you do it yourself.

With this setup, as long as you don't do anything nutty and your existing shocks are in decent shape, you'll have a very nice rig with great road manners and a nice aggressive stance.

Once you go up to 33's, you'll likely want to start thinking about a coil spring lift (although a BB will work just fine on 33's), new shocks are now recommended, and 3+" of lift is more ideal for 33's. 33's will likely make you want to regear which is not cheap. Also, 33's stuffed on stock wheels is not a good idea as they'll rub on the endlinks. A lesser offset wheel is recommended to get the clearance of the endlinks and inner wheel wells. But once you do that, because nearly all 33's are 12.5" wide, you're going to be way outside your stock flares and will be back into the mess of slinging shit everywhere. Also, 33's are considerably more expensive than 31's.

Long story short, I do personally think 33's look perfect under any TJ even if it is a pavement queen, but 31's do look damn good when done right, and 33's invite a host of other expenses which 31's do not.

BeachJeepPhil 11-27-2012 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by markmdz
If you're just going for looks and not really looking to exploit all of the off-road capabilities, a bone stock TJ is plenty capable. With that said, I don't see any need for you to gain additional travel out of the suspension, and it's a sick addiction (trust me, I'm the poster child for sick Jeep addiction. I've only had my rig just over 2 months and every other day I'm doing something different to it.)

Anyway, I'd suggest if you were to stick with 31's on 15's, go with a slightly less backspace than stock but not much and an aggressive tire but with great road manners (Goodyear DuraTrac is a great choice IMO). These tires will fit under a stock TJ without any modification.

To get a nice tasteful lift which looks great over a set of 31's, I'd suggest a simple 2" BB and a t-case drop kit. The 2" BB utilizes your stock springs and extends the bumpstops, so your travel does not change, but your height does. The t-case drop will slightly lower the t-case and net you a corrected pinion angle. IMO, even if you don't notice any vibes without the t-case drop, you're still putting your joints at a greater angle which causes more wear on the joint.

2" will give you a slightly more aggressive look, and combined with the 31" DuraTrac's, it'll look damn good. The reason I suggest a backspace only slightly less than stock is because if your tires stick out beyond your flares, even if you hit a tiny puddle, you're going to be slinging mud/water/whatever all over your rig, and while I looks pretty damn cool, it gets old especially when it's your DD.

This whole setup will run you:
Tires: 31x10.5x15 G/Y DuraTrac; 5@ $176.00 = $880.00
Wheels: 15x8 Ultra Rogue Black w/Mach Lip (3.74" b/s) 5@ $98.00 = $490.00
2" poly spacers (BB): here $60.00
Bump stop extenders (BB): here $24.00
T-case drop Kit: here $38.00

Installation: Honestly, if you want to learn more about your rig and how to wrench on it, this is a very very easy kit to install even for someone with very little mechanical knowledge. If you wanted to have a shop install it, there's no material charge and the labor should be 2-3 hours (4 max). Estimating 4 hrs @ $100.00 /hr, you're at $400 here.

Total including install charge: $1,892.00.

If you really wanted to pinch pennies, there's a ton of set of wheels/tires on craigslist or on this forum for $300-800 in very good shape. I can confidently say you can do this whole lift (if buying used wheel/tire combo) for under $1k. Well under that if you do it yourself.

With this setup, as long as you don't do anything nutty and your existing shocks are in decent shape, you'll have a very nice rig with great road manners and a nice aggressive stance.

Once you go up to 33's, you'll likely want to start thinking about a coil spring lift (although a BB will work just fine on 33's), new shocks are now recommended, and 3+" of lift is more ideal for 33's. 33's will likely make you want to regear which is not cheap. Also, 33's stuffed on stock wheels is not a good idea as they'll rub on the endlinks. A lesser offset wheel is recommended to get the clearance of the endlinks and inner wheel wells. But once you do that, because nearly all 33's are 12.5" wide, you're going to be way outside your stock flares and will be back into the mess of slinging shit everywhere. Also, 33's are considerably more expensive than 31's.

Long story short, I do personally think 33's look perfect under any TJ even if it is a pavement queen, but 31's do look damn good when done right, and 33's invite a host of other expenses which 31's do not.

I am gonna PM you later today to get more info. Like I said I'm new to this all. Basically so I don't have to buy new shocks and all that stuff? Everything I had is new cause not too long ago I fixed the death wobble and got everything re-done basically. Is eBay trusted on finding parts though? I wanna do this right the first time and not have a huge worry the second time....

I am going to trick trucks tomorrow in Frederick to talk to them as well so ill see what they say

luckyluke13 11-27-2012 11:33 AM

I just put on same Skyjacker 4" lift, love it

markmdz 11-27-2012 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BeachJeepPhil (Post 3038676)
I am gonna PM you later today to get more info. Like I said I'm new to this all. Basically so I don't have to buy new shocks and all that stuff? Everything I had is new cause not too long ago I fixed the death wobble and got everything re-done basically. Is eBay trusted on finding parts though? I wanna do this right the first time and not have a huge worry the second time....

I am going to trick trucks tomorrow in Frederick to talk to them as well so ill see what they say

I am definitely not an expert, or even seasoned Jeeper, so take that info as my opinion only, although I think it's pretty sound. I did a whole bunch of research and asking stupid questions here and other places, for what it's worth.

If your shocks are new, and you don't do any crazy off-roading (i.e. you don't disco your sway bars), you should be fine on stock shocks for quite a while.

As said, 31's fit under a bone stock TJ, so the 2" BB just gives you that little extra lift to make it stand out a bit.

Firehound12 11-27-2012 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BeachJeepPhil

Okay. Stupid question here.. But 4 inch lift and hydro shocks. So you combined 2 diff sets of parts? I'm trying to learn about the lift kit stuff haha. Take a look at the original post.. That's the stuff I was looking at possibly getting. What do you think?

The shocks that came with the lift kit were crap and only lasted a year. They used rubber bushings which dry rotted due to the salt and mud. The Skyjacker shocks have polyurethane bushing which hold up much better. I have no complaints otherwise about the actual lift kit. It wasn't a bad deal for $500.

Firehound12 11-27-2012 02:40 PM

If you are going with a 4" lift. You gatta go with at least a 33" tire. It just won't look right with 31s


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