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Speedy4x4 11-30-2012 06:23 PM

Can full size axles be covered by fenders?
 
I'm planning on doing a dana 44 and ford 9" swap.

My questions are;
How far will these tires hang out?
Planning on going tall and skinny 35-37

Will it look dumb to have a tube fender out that far?
My state requires tire tread to be covered
Then I was thinking to run removable flaps on the backs of them.
Or another option is to run 33's skinny as can be with a large BSing then run larger tires to get to offroad events and trails but still be tucked in enough not to get harrassed?


Opinions?

draarong2004 11-30-2012 06:29 PM

i'm kinda curious as well, as i'm about to do the same swap, i already have a d44 high pinion, and a 9" in the backyard i just need to re-build and re-gear....i have 7" extended flares so i'm wondering myself how far out my 40" boggers are gonna stick.

denisbaldwin 12-01-2012 05:56 AM

It all depends on which 9" and which 44 you go with. For instance, the 9" is available in all of the following sizes, depending on what you pull it from:

  • 65-66 Mustang 57.25 inches
  • 67-70 Mustang 59.25 inches
  • 71-73 Mustang 61.25 inches
  • 77-81 Versailles 58.50 inches
  • 67-73 Mustang, Torino, Ranchero, Fairlane 9" 59.25 inches to 61.25 inches
  • 57-59 Ranchero and station wagon rears, 57.25 inches
  • 66-77 Bronco 9", 58 inches
  • 77-81 Granada/Versailles, 58 inches
  • 67-71 Comet, Cougar, Mustang, Fairlane, 59.25 inches
  • 71-73 Mustang, 61.25 inches
  • 64 Falcon 58 inches
  • 67 Cougar 60 inches
  • 67 Fairlane 63.50 inches (coil springs)
  • 72 Ford Van 3/4 ton 68 inches
  • 73-86 65.25 inches
  • 57-59 Ranchero and station wagon 57.25 iches (narrowest 9" housing)
  • 66-77 Bronco 58 inches but has 5-on-5 1/2 inch diameter bolt circle
  • 67-73 Torinos, Rancheros, Fairlanes 59.25 inches or 61.25 inches
  • 67-71 Comets, Cougars, Fairlanes 59.25 inches
Add to that the factors of wheel offset, wheel width, etc. and you could have wild variances.

If your state requires full fender flares, I say fab them. Get some 20g sheet metal and some 1" tubing and build custom fenders to fit whatever application you need.

Thankfully where I'm at in Florida, no one cares. I run with no fenders in the back and thin tubes up front.

Denis

Speedy4x4 12-01-2012 11:26 AM

Sorry I forgot to mention.

Fullsize axles from a f150 extended cab.

Although looking at those numbers. How many of those have front leaves? To ease the swap. I know the cars don't but what about some of those midsize "trucks"?

I think I'll barrow some of my buddy's tires 33's-37's o-plenty. (Not usable for me 16" & 16.5" but will work for ideas)
And mock em up for looks.

Speedy4x4 12-01-2012 01:45 PM

On a side note about the same jeep. And project.

How far can a YJ be stretched using junk yard parts?

Suspension wise.

I'll get drive shafts made. I got a place in portland I like.

Speedy4x4 12-01-2012 02:25 PM

Time for some research.
Can't wait to get going on this

darkproximity 12-01-2012 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedy4x4
On a side note about the same jeep. And project.

How far can a YJ be stretched using junk yard parts?

Suspension wise.

I'll get drive shafts made. I got a place in portland I like.

With waggy springs you can do a 4 inch stretch pretty easily

Speedy4x4 12-01-2012 04:01 PM

Is that 2" front and 2" rear?
Just wanting to know so I know where to position the tires for mocking up to give me an idea of what's coming.

darkproximity 12-01-2012 04:07 PM

Yeah the pin is offset an inch off center and the springs are an inch longer than stock, so mounting them how they came off the front of the wagoneer gives you no stretch, but mounting them backwards gives you two inches. I did the front only so far on mine and when i measured it, it was actually more like 3 inches, so your results may vary

darkproximity 12-01-2012 04:11 PM

I also have a Ford 44 and 9 inch out of a 74 f100, the wms to wms is about 64.5" i have 3 inch backspace wheels and 12.5 wide km2s.. 6 inch wide flares and i have about 2 inches of tread that aren't covered

Speedy4x4 12-01-2012 04:12 PM

Ok thanks for the info.

So I'll aim and 2.5" and not worry about that 1/2+-

Speedy4x4 12-01-2012 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkproximity (Post 3055472)
I also have a Ford 44 and 9 inch out of a 74 f100, the wms to wms is about 64.5" i have 3 inch backspace wheels and 12.5 wide km2s.. 6 inch wide flares and i have about 2 inches of tread that aren't covered

Also good to know.
How much axle work did you need to do?
Or do the perches line up good?

That's gives me an idea.
I wonder what 6" flares (possibly flat style) would look like with 2-3" spacers or block between the flare and fender. Painted black and cut to match the flares contour.

Btw I have a machine shop I can use when business is slow.

darkproximity 12-01-2012 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedy4x4
Ok thanks for the info.

So I'll aim and 2.5" and not worry about that 1/2+-

I think my additional inch or so comes from the fact that the eyes of the springs aren't on the same plane, ie. the front shackle leaf mounting hole is higher up than frame hanger hole, this translates to the spring perch not being parallel to the ground, it's angled back, and thus the centering pin hole is not directly centered over the axle.

When setting up the front axle we were more concerned about caster angle than pinion angle btw and we mocked it up accordingly.

darkproximity 12-01-2012 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedy4x4

Also good to know.
How much axle work did you need to do?
Or do the perches line up good?

That's gives me an idea.
I wonder what 6" flares (possibly flat style) would look like with 2-3" spacers or block between the flare and fender. Painted black and cut to match the flares contour.

Btw I have a machine shop I can use when business is slow.

I got these axles out of another Jeep someone had done a conversion on, but they were set up for SUA.. So we had to essentially re do them for SOA. it wasn't that bad really, kept the SUA perches on, that way if i ever wanted to sell them they'd be usable in both applications. I just checked the placement of the perches laterally on the axle, not that i didn't trust the ones on the bottom, but since i didn't put those ones on i wanted to make sure it was correct. If you want i can tell you exactly how i did it

Speedy4x4 12-01-2012 04:31 PM

No, I can figure it out when I get my axles and waggy springs.

If I can't I'll post up then.

darkproximity 12-01-2012 04:34 PM

you do know there are only certain years of front dana 44s that will work, right?

Speedy4x4 12-01-2012 04:37 PM

Yeah I have the yrs written down somewhere. Ibuildembig told them to me.

Speedy4x4 12-01-2012 04:41 PM

As its angled back. Do you notice if it handles rough trials better. Like bumps and small holes.

Smoother that is?

darkproximity 12-01-2012 05:02 PM

yeah the wagoneer springs are really nice, mine ride smooth but i need to get new shocks soon, still have the ones the PO put on it who knows how long ago

Speedy4x4 12-01-2012 06:20 PM

Ok so here is my list.

I know its incomplete

V8/SOA/Stretch

Stage one
1/2 ton ford axles from ext cab 7?-78 D44+9"
4.56 gears & rear locker for new axles if they dont come with them or 4.10
Roll bar tie in kit
Beef up rear roll bar
Waggy springs
Drive shafts
Home built tube fenders & front bumper
Perches?
HD boom shackles (little-0 lift)
P.U. bushings
33x10.5x15 M/T's
Axle nic nacs

Stage two.

Explorer 5.0
C-4 or C-6 Floor shifter+stage 1 or 2 shift kit w/ cooler
Dual cats into one "quiter" muffler maybe stock v8 type
Traction bars (anti wrap)
Mustang or ford racing wiring harness+ecu
Engine nic nacs (intake headers filters hoses ect)
Large high heat transfer radiator.

Stage three

Rebuild or upgrade engine parts. (Heads, port intake, cam ect)
37's
Selectable lockers if not done already
Rock sliders
Rear bumper w/ large tire carrier
HD skids
Sub-lime paint (mopar or match)

draarong2004 12-01-2012 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkproximity (Post 3055472)
I also have a Ford 44 and 9 inch out of a 74 f100, the wms to wms is about 64.5" i have 3 inch backspace wheels and 12.5 wide km2s.. 6 inch wide flares and i have about 2 inches of tread that aren't covered

awesome...sounds about what mine will stick out then, my front axle is from an early 70's ford, and the rear 9" is a 77 ford.....iirc they are the same width as yours.

to the op, if your front d44 is old enough, you can cut the "wedges" off so you can put your spring perches where you need to, i believe its 77 and newer that they were "cast" into the axle, prior to that they were welded on.

schnutzy 12-01-2012 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedy4x4
On a side note about the same jeep. And project.

How far can a YJ be stretched using junk yard parts?

Suspension wise.

I'll get drive shafts made. I got a place in portland I like.

I believe you can use dodge Dakota springs to get 6+ inches per axle, however that brings up a whole new world of problems. Flipped XJ rear springs are another common choice.

darkproximity 12-01-2012 06:46 PM

The desirable years for the front 44 half ton is 76 and 77, 73-75 will work too but come with drum brakes, so a knuckle-out swap is needed to have discs.. 78 and 79 are cast in wedges and can't be removed.

draarong2004 12-01-2012 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkproximity (Post 3055917)
The desirable years for the front 44 half ton is 76 and 77, 73-75 will work too but come with drum brakes, so a knuckle-out swap is needed to have discs.. 78 and 79 are cast in wedges and can't be removed.

i must have newer than i thought then....mine disc with welded on wedges

to the original poster, if you have wheels with the right backspacing, you could possibly still tuck the tires in with no wider than 6-7' flares...and still have decent turning radius

BDK 12-03-2012 02:00 AM

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...44029372_n.jpg
Here is my 95 on D44 front and Ford 9in rear on 36in tires, the flares are the 6in ones and the tire still stick out a couple inches.

Speedy4x4 12-03-2012 12:13 PM

Looks good.
Not too bad.
Some home built tube fenders shouldn't look funky covering those extra few inches at all.
How wide are those tires?

Ibuildembig 12-03-2012 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkproximity (Post 3055917)
The desirable years for the front 44 half ton is 76 and 77, 73-75 will work too but come with drum brakes, so a knuckle-out swap is needed to have discs.. 78 and 79 are cast in wedges and can't be removed.

Sorda, the best one will be 76-79 F150 extended cab since they are already leaf sprung 5 lug :)

OP, if you get a 5 inch backspace wheel I bet a TJ flare would cover it all

darkproximity 12-03-2012 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibuildembig

Sorda, the best one will be 76-79 F150 extended cab since they are already leaf sprung 5 lug :)

OP, if you get a 5 inch backspace wheel I bet a TJ flare would cover it all

Are they 2 3/4 tube too? Or 3 like the half ton

IndyJeepMan 12-03-2012 03:09 PM

Too bad you dont have 8 lug axles or you could run H2 rims or recentered H1's.

With all those mods why not switch to a better coil/link suspension.

darkproximity 12-03-2012 03:16 PM

It's not that difficult to covert to 8 lug.. And why spend thousands on coils when leafs are working just fine?


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