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rketr 07-29-2008 09:21 PM

When is a Jeep no longer a Jeep?
 
Was talking with a bud the other day about all the things you can modify / manipulate / upgrade / replace on a Jeep and he posed an interesting question:

"When is a Jeep no longer considered a Jeep?"

Basically at what point with all the things you've done with it does it become not a Jeep (or a used-to-be-a-Jeep)...

Conversely, when building from a non-Jeep, when does a custom rig BECOME a Jeep?

We came to a conclusion, but I'm curious to see your take...

nicolas-eric 07-29-2008 09:52 PM

IMO modifications to jeep parts are ok. like lockers, stronger axles, suspension lifts and more. if there are some non-jeep axles or a non jeep engine in a jeep i wouldn´t call it a jeep anymore.
p.e. my buddies with unimog axles and corvette V8s in their CJs call their cars crossbreed and not jeep.

richp 07-29-2008 10:31 PM

Considering you can take the full quadratec catalog and build a YJ FROM SCRATCH and not use ONE chrysler part is that still a jeep :rofl:

mr4x4 07-29-2008 10:48 PM

I would say its not a jeep if you replace the motor with a 22r and toyota tranny put yota axles in it and replace the tub with a taco (tacoma) body

debruins 07-29-2008 10:58 PM

id say as long as it has the jeep grille and a jeep frame and can go topless, and at least looks like one, it is still a jeep, but all the mods need to be done so it can be better off road, not so it looks better or anything

spanky 07-30-2008 01:53 AM

technically if it still has the jeep frame and jeep body its still legally a jeep right ? no matter what else is done to it ??

richp made a good point; you could almost build an entire thing from quadratec but not use any chrysler part. is that still a jeep?

new motors/trannys/axles are to common. we cant leave them out of the mix. i believe they are still jeeps

but what wouldnt I personally call a jeep? i really dont know! maybe something that takes it away from its original purpose. like lowering it, putting HUGE rims on it, stuff like that.

mr4x4 07-30-2008 02:56 AM

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well if it had to built by chrysler to bee a jeep the older jeeps are not jeep since they where built by amc
even farther back then that they where built by ford and then theres the willies
so I say yes the jeep yj you could build from all the parts in quadratec still make it a jeep

but this should not have happend (why would someone do that)

jeeps&comics 07-30-2008 08:11 AM

ohhhh geez-us... is that first jeep even off the ground? man... why? WHY?!?!

rketr 07-30-2008 09:55 AM

We basically came up with the fact that if it began life as a Jeep it will always be one regardless of the number of mods you do. (The VIN says it is one)

Conversely, making one from scratch...? Dunno...

Sb5551 07-30-2008 12:28 PM

That one picture definatly has to be a photo shop. It is still horrible though.:bottom:

tj1230 07-30-2008 12:42 PM

x2 Spanky. Who in their right mind thinks lowering a jeep is a good idea? I have seen a couple jeeps on KSL(local classifieds) w/ 20" rims and 33" tires. Something doesn't add up. If people wanted a pavement princess or asphalt H**ker why buy the most versitile off-road vehicle.
Just a thought!

mr4x4 07-30-2008 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sb5551 (Post 250591)
That one picture definatly has to be a photo shop. It is still horrible though.:bottom:


I think the first pic has been photo shop to I just found them on the web

rketr 07-30-2008 07:25 PM

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if it were real. I've seen trucks done like that...

Of course the owner should be shot for such a sacrilegious act...

1BLKJP 07-30-2008 07:31 PM

if the Vin still says it's jeep then it's jeep. :D

AzTJ 07-30-2008 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 1BLKJP (Post 250737)
if the Vin still says it's jeep then it's jeep. :D

Yup - even if it has a mixture of Ford and Chevy drive train components... It's still a Jeep on the insurance papers. :D

Coyote_94YJ 07-30-2008 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rketr (Post 250733)
Actually I wouldn't be surprised if it were real. I've seen trucks done like that...

Of course the owner should be shot for such a sacrilegious act...

The first pic HAS to be photochopped. Where is the top half of the front tires? Never-Never land?
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1BLKJP (Post 250737)
if the Vin still says it's jeep then it's jeep. :D

x2. The only original factory parts in my drivetrain is the D30 and the np231 cover.

jeeptales 07-30-2008 11:39 PM

If you ask the Texas DMV
 


:rofl:This one is registered as a 2003 Jeep Liberty:rofl:

http://jeeptales.com/galleries/06Anc...os/photo45.jpg

Unlimited 07-31-2008 02:36 AM

A "Jeep" exists in the eye of the beholder......

jeepcop1 08-01-2008 03:17 PM

Hmmmm.... this is an excelent quesiton. I'd have to agree that if it started as a Jeep and still has the tell-tale grille and relative body then I'd still have to call it a Jeep. All of the mods that you can do to them is what Jeep is all about.... other than lowering. I think I threw up a little when I saw those pics.

slf41002 08-04-2008 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by debruins (Post 250496)
id say as long as it has the jeep grille and a jeep frame and can go topless, and at least looks like one, it is still a jeep, but all the mods need to be done so it can be better off road, not so it looks better or anything

So you are sayin you have put nothing on your jeep to make it look better????Come on now Derek I just don't buy that!!!! Like the chrome grille inserts,diamond or stainless rocker guards?????

ct-tj 08-05-2008 10:43 AM

A jeep is no longer a Jeep if you have to laugh at it like a Hummer, cuz the owner chromed it out on dubs and all that gay crap.

4X4RDSTR 08-25-2008 07:09 PM

Amen

rketr 08-25-2008 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ct-tj (Post 252294)
A jeep is no longer a Jeep if you have to laugh at it like a Hummer, cuz the owner chromed it out on dubs and all that gay crap.

Agreed.

Should be a law stating that somebody that does that is allowed to get their heads smacked by other jeep owners. :doh:

tn-yj 10-22-2008 03:20 PM

Well don't you first need to clearly define what a Jeep is to determine when it ceases to be one? What constitutes a Jeep? If you were having this conversation with a philosopher he would ask the definition first i think. Is it the tub? the frame? capabilities? all of the afore mentioned? With a clear definition it would easier to determine a stopping point. Maybe Im looking to deep lol.

foxinthemudd 10-22-2008 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by debruins (Post 250496)
id say as long as it has the jeep grille and a jeep frame and can go topless, and at least looks like one, it is still a jeep, but all the mods need to be done so it can be better off road, not so it looks better or anything

HOLY COW DID ANYONE ELSE NOTICE THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY READ BRUINS POST! :appl::appl::appl::zap:

jgano23 10-25-2008 02:20 PM

mr4x4 that pic actually made me nausious. who WOULD do that to a perfectly good yj? that owner needs some thrapy!


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