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KILRIK 12-15-2012 10:05 PM

Hood Adjustment?
 
So I was looking at my grill today when I was installing my headlight bezel (just finished bedlining them) and on the right side, it has really been rubbed a lot by the hood. I decided to take off the cover over the windshield wipers and see if I could adjust everything.

Here's where the nightmare starts. I unscrewed everything to where the screws were still in but were still tight so the hood wouldn't come off. I noticed on the right side that there were a TON of spacers and on the left side there was only one small one. Then the hood shifted while I was holding it and all the spacers on the right side came out. :banghead:
Now the hood latches just BARELY fit and the hood is just out of whack.

What's the best way about getting everything back to normal?

Here's a picture just to show what I was talking about before I took everything apart. You'll have to look closely but you can see how close it is on the left and how it's pretty far off on the right.
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/f...f/DSC03156.jpg

jherrington 12-15-2012 10:53 PM

Was the jeep wrecked?

KILRIK 12-15-2012 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jherrington (Post 3108460)
Was the jeep wrecked?

It has a rebuilt title but that was because it was stolen. It has been off road though and I made a previous thread about the hard top not fitting and I was told I would need to adjust the windshield frame to get everything to fit. They thought it had been rolled at some point.

Wesboy 12-15-2012 11:27 PM

I did the same thing with my hood a couple of days ago.
Hope you didn't get your spacers mixed up.

There's not a lot of sdjustment but it seems a little goes a long way.
Apart from left and right adjustment, I was also getting some to and fro adjustment which also needs to be allowed for.

Lots of trial and error to get it right but if you want to return to how it was, should be easy to line up the bolts on the spacers where the paint/overspray marks sre.

jherrington 12-16-2012 07:34 PM

You get a rebuilt title after its rebuilt from damage. So it had a salvage title to it. The tub is probably bent from something and its throwing everything off.

krisbman 12-16-2012 08:44 PM

Dude, there are sooo many things that could be wrong. Salvaged title because it was stolen, HA. Yer only trying to fool yourself on that one. There is one reason and one reason only that a vehicle gets a salvaged title, it was damaged beyond its worth. Of course there are tow bills, salvage value factored into it also but it had to sustain damage of atleast 70% of its total worth. That being said, looks like u better start stackin shims on that one side. How do the doors fit, do they open and shut ok, are the gaps equal? If your gaps a true and fairly close from side to side im leaning towards frame damage( dont freak out) hows the wheel base from side to side? If the tub is bent your door gaps will be all effd up. Do sum diggin/ research and until you do put those damn shims back or its gonna just rub more paint off and start rusting.

KILRIK 12-16-2012 10:03 PM

Doors fit fine. Only problem is that the uppers don't because I haven't adjust the hard top.

We had it inspected and everything by a mechanic, had the frame checked, etc. No frame damage, everything checked out.

Also, we talked to the state as well as our insurance company and they told us that if it was stolen, it falls under a rebuilt.

KILRIK 12-17-2012 02:39 AM

So we're thinking the frame is bent or something is out of whack? I was just thinking I needed to adjust the windshield and hood and everything would line back up. We drove it home after it was inspected for about an hour at highway speeds. No drifting, wasn't driving sideways, etc.

Should I have my local auto body shop give the hood and everything a look? Would save me some frustration trying to line it up myself when they'll do it in half the time or less.

jherrington 12-17-2012 09:49 AM

I mean. Maybe it's just a jeep thing. But for the hood to need shims to fit. Then it still rub like that tells me it was wrecked. But maybe your states salvage title issuing is more strict. My hood doesn't rub. It's been in a front end collision(airbags deployed). My dads hood rubs from a front/side fender collision(airbags deployed) but when I put a factory bumper on it, you could tell it was higher on one side than the other, meaning frame damage.

krisbman 12-17-2012 11:40 AM

Adjusted the hardtop? It should bolt right up with no issues. Either way that things been in a fairly serious accident. If the top and the windshield pillars need to be adjusted how the heck do the doors fit ok???

KILRIK 12-17-2012 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by krisbman (Post 3113397)
Adjusted the hardtop? It should bolt right up with no issues. Either way that things been in a fairly serious accident. If the top and the windshield pillars need to be adjusted how the heck do the doors fit ok???

I'll try and get some pictures up soon to show the problem more in detail. I might go ahead and have a local auto body shop look at it.

KILRIK 12-18-2012 07:18 PM

Instead of a bunch of photos and text, here's a video.
Help please?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgFV1...ature=youtu.be

krisbman 12-18-2012 10:10 PM

Dude, nothin lines up on that thing. It got hit hard on the right side and i wouldnt be surprised if it wasnt a rebuilt jeep. By the way the hood fits on the right side and how the drivers door is basically touching in opposite corners im guessing that the whole front end is pushed up and back to the right which is why the top doesnt fit worth a crap on the passenger side. My thoughts, sell it to sum schmuck and buy one with a clean title, oh those rusty bolts holdin the hood on shoulda been a dead giveaway.

krisbman 12-18-2012 10:11 PM

Im curious if it still has the drivers air bag or is it just a plug that looks like one?!!

jherrington 12-20-2012 12:29 PM

As I said, it's been in a bad wreck. Now that I've seen the video, it was probably on the right side. Hard enough to deploy airbags (look at your passenger airbag it isn't flat it's wavey. I've never seen a jeep with a wavy airbag that hasn't been in a wreck)

If you asked your insurance company about the jeep before you bought it, And they are the ones that told you that it had a rebuilt title only because it was stolen, I would have a nice long talk with them about what you found, and how they covered up or didn't tell you about the wreck it was in.

KILRIK 12-21-2012 09:13 PM

Well this sucks to hear. We had a Ford shop (they work on other stuff too) look it over and they said everything checked out and that it was a good looking Jeep.

Think I should give my insurance a call and see what they say? I'm having a latch replaced on my truck so when I go to pick it up from the body shop that's doing the work, I may have them take a look at it.

Maybe I should start from square one and have my personal mechanic look at it?

krisbman 12-22-2012 12:52 AM

If you had a mechanic look at it that was the first mistake. Have you had an experienced body man look at it and has it been put on a rack to see if it measures within tolerances( +/- 3 degrees) sorry dude, ive been in the auto body biz for 18 years. Like i said those rusty bolts holdin the hood on shoulda warned you, ditch it.

KILRIK 12-22-2012 05:14 PM

Rusty bolts? What do you mean? There aren't any rust bolt on the hood at all.

I'm going to take it in to a body shop and have them look it over. Hopefully I didn't just buy a crapper...

UFOtestpilot 12-22-2012 05:27 PM

No offense meant: You bought something you definitely DON'T want to pay to fix, and it sounds as though you won't be able to fix it yourself. Unfortunately the only way out is one of two options: 1. Find someone who has no idea what they are looking at and basically "rip them off". 2. Most likely take a substantial hit on the vehicle and call it a lesson learned. Take someone with you who knows what they're looking at next time you go to buy a vehicle.

If none of this applies and you are going to fix it, good luck. If its spot on, good luck. I couldn't live with option 1 myself, but you gotta do what works for you. Hope it all works out for you in the end.

krisbman 12-22-2012 05:29 PM

Ok mayb not rusty but they arent the factory hood bolts. Another indication is how far outta whack the right headlamp is, its pushed clear to the far right with the bezel touching the grill. Sorry man, you got duped

KILRIK 12-22-2012 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UFOtestpilot (Post 3133279)
No offense meant: You bought something you definitely DON'T want to pay to fix, and it sounds as though you won't be able to fix it yourself. Unfortunately the only way out is one of two options: 1. Find someone who has no idea what they are looking at and basically "rip them off". 2. Most likely take a substantial hit on the vehicle and call it a lesson learned. Take someone with you who knows what they're looking at next time you go to buy a vehicle.

If none of this applies and you are going to fix it, good luck. If its spot on, good luck. I couldn't live with option 1 myself, but you gotta do what works for you. Hope it all works out for you in the end.

I probably couldn't live with option 1 either. It basically has everything I've been been looking for already on it.
If I went the route of fixing it, how much would we be talking?

This really sucks...

KILRIK 12-22-2012 11:48 PM

Talked it over with my parents and they said to wait until after the holidays and have it checked out by a body shop. I can live with small issues but anything major I'll have to see whether or not it will be worth it.

jherrington 12-23-2012 12:04 AM

There is no fixing. Fixing would mean replacing the frame, then replacing the tub and body.

We aren't trying to freak you out. Or make you think that you bought a POS. If its stable and the frame is in good shape (good non broken welds, no cracks) then I don't see why it wouldn't work for you.

It's just that since it has frame damage, it could potentially be a hazard to your health and break in you / not protect you like it was designed to in a crash. Or in your case, shit won't fit right.

If it is sturdy and everything checks out okay, I don't see why you would need to sell it. But that only if the frame is in good condition. I think most people are just worried about everything being out of wack from the wreck and parts starting to fail.

Wish you the best of luck!

UFOtestpilot 12-23-2012 12:14 AM

You can see that someone has tried to align everything as much as possible with adjustments. You need to know what's tweaked exactly and how bad first. Secondly, you need to either be a good body/frame guy with proper equipment or be very close friends with someone who is. To drop it off at a shop and have them "fix" it would be salt in the wound to be honest.

This of course is from someone who is not a body/frame guy and hasn't seen the jeep in person. You shot some decent video if the lines though and I've seen enough "off-track scenarios" and the results enough to draw the conclusion I did.

krisbman 12-23-2012 12:38 AM

It could cost thousands to fix it properly. Frame rate is somewhere in the $70 per hour range with a set up & measure fee around $150-200 most likely, then theres the body labor rate of around $50 per hour for panel alignment, mechanical rate if any hard parts need replacing, i.e control arms suspension components etc. honestly dude your trying to convince yourself to keep it. If the frame isnt square it isnt square, it will never be right unless it gets put on a rack and gets pulled around. It could be " diamoned" it could have a " banana" in it. Its hard to say without crawling under it and looking for buckles and putting a set of gauges on it. Hows the wheel base from side to side? Like i said before ive been in this trade for 18 years.your jeep was totalled and has been reconstructed. Either have it repaired right by a good body shop and try to get some sort of recourse on the people you bought it from or the insurance co. , or turn it and move on. With the latter being my choice. Sorry man

KILRIK 12-23-2012 09:07 PM

I'm not necessarily trying to talk myself into keeping it, I'm just trying to see if it's worth saving since it has everything I've been looking a long time for and it's already in my driveway so I'll have to deal with it one way or another.

The body shop I'll be taking it to are a great shop that have very nice people working for them. We've taken multiple vehicles to them and have no complaints. I'll probably take it over there after the holidays and have them look at everything and price everything out.

The thing that confuses me is that it drives perfectly straight without any problems driving it down the highway. You think if the frame was as bent as it sounds, I would be driving sideways down the road?

krisbman 12-23-2012 09:12 PM

If its diamoned it will drive fine, which is the way im leaning by the looks of the sheet metal.

KILRIK 12-23-2012 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by krisbman (Post 3136827)
If its diamoned it will drive fine, which is the way im leaning by the looks of the sheet metal.

What exactly do you mean by diamonded?
If this was the case, would I just have to get all the other stuff fixed to make everything fit correctly or would I still have to have the frame fixed?

UFOtestpilot 12-24-2012 12:05 AM

He means knocked into a parallelogram. As in the two frame rails are still parallel to each other, but the passenger side got knocked back a couple inches.

KILRIK 12-26-2012 07:59 PM

Update:
Took it over to the body shop today and had them look at it. They looked the whole thing over and said that it definitely had been in a front end wreck and had been hit a decent amount. They said it looks like the front end has been bent up from the impact. They didn't want to say it was diamonded but said that could be a possibility. The guy felt bad for me for having found this issue after buying it so he gave me a deal on having the measurements done and everything. I'm dropping my truck by there tomorrow to have a cable replaced in the door so while I'm there he said to go ahead and talk to them about scheduling something.

They said once they have it up on the frame machine is when they'll be able to have a better idea of how bad it is.


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