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H8-roads 12-23-2012 08:32 PM

Long arm upgrade help!!!
 
Hi WF, I was looking at long arm upgrades and ran across the rc long arm upgrade. Does anyone have experience or thought on this because for $900 it doesnt sound like a bad deal. Also I just recently purchased a set of bilstein 5100's. Would I be able to re-use these or would I need new ones since I'd be upgrading to a long arm? Any input is appreciated.

Brew 12-24-2012 01:20 AM

I'd rather run stock than run a rough country lift. You get what you pay for, do a search. Most agree RC is garbage.

Bilsteins are decent, they are a good bang for your buck.

redpony03 12-24-2012 03:08 AM

Hey brew.....can u go into some detail on why u feel this way........

rda616 12-24-2012 07:34 AM

I'll do it for him. The arms are fine, but the brackets give a piss poor geometry. The rc joints are crap and need rebuild frequently. The only things I would buy from rc are the 2.5" springs and maybe their 1.25" body lift.

What makes you think a long arm is an upgrade.

Brew 12-24-2012 12:24 PM

RC shocks are about the worst riding shocks you can buy. And as was said above, joints are terrible and will need rebuilding constantly. Th parts are all very cheap in an effort to keep the price down and are not meant to last or take offroad a use as a lift should. Just search here or wrangler forum as the problems with RC are well documented.

Mudweiser 12-24-2012 02:26 PM

6 years on my first RC kit....bout a year on the current one...no rebuilds yet. Ill agree the shocks lack something to be desired, but the kit is a great place to start. The Xflex and long arm kits do pretty well from the ones ive seen. The 2.0 version of the kit is whats out now and i got no problems at all with it. Most folks talk trash about the name and have never even ran one. Of the guys i run with, trailmaster, skyjacker, pro comp, zone, all about the same if you ask us. None outperforms the other significantly. If you got deep pockets, knock yourself out and buy whatever "they" say is the best one. If your on a budget, dont hesitate for RC. Their staff is some of the most helpful and friendliest ive seen. As for not intended for off road use.... mmkay whatever, im harder on mine then most as im runnin 38s and live in the mud. Do some searching around and i think youll see a very high percentage of folks run their lifts with no problems.

TheDesertOutlaw 12-24-2012 07:30 PM

I hosted a Baja run over some challenging canyon terrain outside of Mexicali, and this Rubicon was running a 4" Rough Country Short Arm lift. He had no problems to speak of all weekend, and the trail is one that has broken parts, blown sidewalls, etc.

At the ARCO station in Calexico, CA
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Running the canyon trails in Baja California
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No broken parts, trail damage, or problems to report of.:wavey:
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CMA_Rider 12-24-2012 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rda616 (Post 3138022)
I'll do it for him. The arms are fine, but the brackets give a piss poor geometry. The rc joints are crap and need rebuild frequently. The only things I would buy from rc are the 2.5" springs and maybe their 1.25" body lift.

What makes you think a long arm is an upgrade.

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Originally Posted by Brew (Post 3138815)
RC shocks are about the worst riding shocks you can buy. And as was said above, joints are terrible and will need rebuilding constantly. Th parts are all very cheap in an effort to keep the price down and are not meant to last or take offroad a use as a lift should. Just search here or wrangler forum as the problems with RC are well documented.

Most people that have had problems with RC joints had overtightend them and caused them to wear out prematurely. Ive had my X-Flex short arms for over 5k and have had no problems whatsoever (Mud, Rocks,etc.) The joints are practically the same as Currie Jonny Joints, same material and design.

rda616 12-24-2012 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CMA_Rider (Post 3139828)

Most people that have had problems with RC joints had overtightend them and caused them to wear out prematurely. Ive had my X-Flex short arms for over 5k and have had no problems whatsoever (Mud, Rocks,etc.) The joints are practically the same as Currie Jonny Joints, same material and design.

Not the same at all.

CMA_Rider 12-24-2012 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rda616 (Post 3139829)
Not the same at all.

Explain

rda616 12-24-2012 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CMA_Rider (Post 3139835)

Explain

The only thing these joints have in common is they are a cartridge joint. Johnny joints don't need, or use a threaded side load adjustment because they don't use a hard plastic race like others. Do you know what most replace their rc flex joint with when they get tired of rebuilding them.

H8-roads 12-25-2012 03:10 PM

Thanks for the input guys....I guess rc is out of the question, but I still want something better. My current lift is a procomp but its just getting old and saggy and I want something better. Any suggestions? I was looking at the RE superflex kits.

JPi4.0 12-25-2012 03:14 PM

Rock Krawler. The best off the shelf kit out there IMO

jrussblues 12-25-2012 03:34 PM

At one time undercover fabworks had a set of rough country arms with johnny joints already installed. Might want to look at those.

H8-roads 12-25-2012 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jrussblues
At one time undercover fabworks had a set of rough country arms with johnny joints already installed. Might want to look at those.

Just took a look at that. Looks like a really good deal. Thanks!!!

H8-roads 12-25-2012 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JPi4.0
Rock Krawler. The best off the shelf kit out there IMO

Thanks buck. I'll take a look into that

jasongind 12-25-2012 04:02 PM

If you can swing it go with Teraflex. I run there long arm kit and love it. I wheel, & difficult stuff, in Colorado & have never had my lowers get hung up like others talk about. They have scraped a little at The mount but nothing that would make me want too get rid off them.

Moabrubi 12-25-2012 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JPi4.0 (Post 3141868)
Rock Krawler. The best off the shelf kit out there IMO

Honest question what makes it better then the Clayton Pro Series?

Imped 12-25-2012 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudweiser (Post 3139258)
Of the guys i run with, trailmaster, skyjacker, pro comp, zone, all about the same if you ask us.

That's because they are all at about the same level of quality. Everything you mentioned is low to mid-level at best.
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Originally Posted by Mudweiser (Post 3139258)
None outperforms the other significantly. If you got deep pockets, knock yourself out and buy whatever "they" say is the best one.

He should listen to those that have experience with the full spectrum of products available, have a deeper knowledge of suspension, and understand the difference between a good suspension and a crappy one. It doesn't take deep pockets to build a quality suspension. It does take deep pockets, however, to waste money on crappy parts.
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Originally Posted by Mudweiser (Post 3139258)
As for not intended for off road use.... mmkay whatever, im harder on mine then most as im runnin 38s and live in the mud. Do some searching around and i think youll see a very high percentage of folks run their lifts with no problems.

Of course you don't have many 'issues' with the suspension. You play in the mud. A lack of traction and no difficult rocks or vertical walls hides the massive flaws in the parts you're running. Go play where good parts make a difference and you'll immediately dislike the parts you've chose and are recommending.
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Originally Posted by TheDesertOutlaw (Post 3139817)
I hosted a Baja run over some challenging canyon terrain outside of Mexicali, and this Rubicon was running a 4" Rough Country Short Arm lift. He had no problems to speak of all weekend, and the trail is one that has broken parts, blown sidewalls, etc.

I wheel with plenty of guys that run crappy parts and don't break too often, either. That's not the only metric used to determine the quality and function of suspension components. If it was, I wouldn't be replying to this thread and you wouldn't see many people swapping out junk in favor of good stuff.
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Originally Posted by CMA_Rider (Post 3139828)
Most people that have had problems with RC joints had overtightend them and caused them to wear out prematurely. Ive had my X-Flex short arms for over 5k and have had no problems whatsoever (Mud, Rocks,etc.) The joints are practically the same as Currie Jonny Joints, same material and design.

You really need to do some research. That's analogous to comparing a 95 Neon to a 2012 BMW 1 Series and saying they're practically the same because they're about the same weight.
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Originally Posted by Moabrubi (Post 3142037)
Honest question what makes it better then the Clayton Pro Series?

It's not. I'd take that setup over the RK setup mentioned. That's one of the better 'kit suspensions' available.

JPi4.0 12-25-2012 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Moabrubi

Honest question what makes it better then the Clayton Pro Series?

We install them and we wheel with them. They just work. I like the brackets and the skid. I like the angle of the arms. The geometry is spot on. The joints are flexible and durable. This suspension just works. The customers love them.

I can't say they are better than Clayton because I haven't seen and wheeled with it. But I have read about them and seen pictures and I would still pick rock Krawler.

I have personally only run two Tera flex lifts. Short arm 4" and currently a long arm 6". If I change again and go off the shelf I will switch to Rock Krawler

That's the best honest answer i can give.


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