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scuba_steve 01-07-2013 12:26 AM

Front license plates...perhaps no more
 
Keep hope alive:
State bill calls for one license plate instead of two - INSIDENOVA.COM: Northern VA
Virginia drivers may soon find themselves sporting just one license plate rather than two, all in an effort by the state government to save a few dollars.

State Sen. Frank Wagner (R-Virginia Beach) has introduced legislation reducing the number of license plates furnished by the Department of Motor Vehicles to vehicle owners from two to one, and requiring the single license plate to be attached to the rear of the vehicle.

The measure is similar to one introduced by state Sen. Mamie Locke (D-Newport News) in the 2012 session. Her bill was held for consideration in 2013.

About a dozen states, including West Virginia and North Carolina, require just a single license plate on vehicles, while remaining states require two.

The Virginia Department of Planning Budget estimated that Locke’s bill would result in a savings of $2.3 million a year if the state government did not need to turn out two plates for each vehicle. The implementation cost of the measure was estimated at a relatively paltry $13,000 in one-time costs.

Virginia license plates are produced by inmates in the Powhatan Correctional Center as part of Virginia Correctional Enterprises, a state-run workshop program that turns out everything from eyewear and apparel to business cards and dentures.

manganos 01-07-2013 07:51 PM

Since I work for the state I submitted this idea as a cost saving measure. Guess it might have worked.

bajonesy77 01-08-2013 01:22 AM

We shall see if it passes. What will happen to the money they save? needs to goto VDOT for road improvements.

Jeep757 01-09-2013 05:48 AM

Hopefully this goes thru

Raoul 01-09-2013 08:24 AM

First, I'd like to say I love this idea and have always been jealous of the 'one plate' States. However, I don't think it will take the bean counters long to shoot this idea down.

None of the top ranking vanity plate States are 'one plate' States.
Virginia has the highest percentage of vanity plates in the nation (16%).
There are 7.5 million registered vehicles in Virginia.
7.5 mil X .16 = 1.2 mil vanity plate vehicles
1.2 mil X $25 = $30,000,000 revenue from vanity plates

If requests for vanity plates drop by just 8% (2.3 mil savings / $30 mil rev) then this change will cost the State revenue.

But, we can still hope. :wavey:

Brass Knuckles 01-22-2013 08:46 PM

New guy here...this thread caught my interest.

No offense, but the logic above seems flawed. The state will save $2.3mm in production costs since it will no longer have to produce 2 plates per car. This should have zero effect on revenue stream because the number of cars desiring vanity plates should not change by going to a single license plate format while the state continues to charge the same amount for the right to display a vanity plate regardless if its one or two plates. What am I missing?

Anyway, good to be here. Hope to meet up soon. :)

jlapoint01 01-23-2013 04:11 PM

I agree with Brass Knuckles, don't think just because you only get one plate that it will be any cheaper. I also feel that many will still have and want vanity plates, I have them and will still use them. If we go to a one plate system, I'll take my front one off and keep it as a spare or a decoration.

Raoul 01-23-2013 07:16 PM

I didn't mean the cost of the plate.
I meant future demand of vanity plates slipping due to the change.
There are no one plate States ranked in the top twenty, if Virginia slips to just #2, it would lose an excess of $4mil.

Virginia is 'hooked' on the vanity plate revenue.

jlapoint01 01-24-2013 07:14 AM

But you have to look at the other states. We have the cheapest vanity plates, its only an additional $10 a year so your original figures are off. If in fact the plate sales would drop off the way you claim, then it would be a $2.5 mil cut back, which would be loosing some money, but not the millions you claim. Plus you have to remember where we live. Most of the folks that work in DC live in VA, and most of them are very vain indeed. As a truck driver, I see more vanity plates in NOVA then most anywhere else. Also remember a vanity plate is not just one that has witty humor, but also the plates that are background themed, like colleges, nature, hunting, etc. To sum, I wouldn't worry about it one bit, if you think that the bean counters haven't thought of potential loss of millions of revenue over an action your wrong.

10Anvil 05-13-2013 11:35 PM

Just like to point out that with the increase in speed camera use this won't fly.

Brass Knuckles 05-28-2014 04:46 PM

No updates on this?

jwilson2598 05-28-2014 09:37 PM

Looks like it failed:

http://www.richmondsunlight.com/bill/2013/sb771/

lbredefe 05-29-2014 02:55 PM

I realize this is going to start a storm of furry but the reason most of these fail is because of police union lobbying in a states capital. The same thing is going in chicago where they tried to overturn an ordinance saying you cannot back into a space in a parking garage and the police union went after lawmakers saying that a cop shouldn't ever have to get out of his cruiser to check on illegally parked cars.

lbredefe 05-29-2014 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lbredefe (Post 10968369)
I realize this is going to start a storm of furry but the reason most of these fail is because of police union lobbying in a states capital. The same thing is going in chicago where they tried to overturn an ordinance saying you cannot back into a space in a parking garage and the police union went after lawmakers saying that a cop shouldn't ever have to get out of his cruiser to check on illegally parked cars.

this was one of the comments listed on the link provided showing the bill failed:

James writes:
Funny how if you dont want something the cops (revenue generators)or toll collectors do then your a scofflaw. Yes lets do anything the police state wants, anything to make it easier for them cause were all bad. How about our revenue generators focus on real crime and yes I know its hard work and doesnt make money for the state. But we are paying them for this particular job. Wonder how the many other states are able to get plate info from the cars that only have 1 on the back of the car. Oh walk around?? Way to much to ask for.

its widely known that these bills fail at the hands of police union lobbyists.

mikeJKUR 05-29-2014 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lbredefe (Post 10968417)
this was one of the comments listed on the link provided showing the bill failed:

James writes:
Funny how if you dont want something the cops (revenue generators)or toll collectors do then your a scofflaw. Yes lets do anything the police state wants, anything to make it easier for them cause were all bad. How about our revenue generators focus on real crime and yes I know its hard work and doesnt make money for the state. But we are paying them for this particular job. Wonder how the many other states are able to get plate info from the cars that only have 1 on the back of the car. Oh walk around?? Way to much to ask for.

its widely known that these bills fail at the hands of police union lobbyists.

he sounds like one of those tea party nut job.

rutoehead 05-29-2014 09:05 PM

Great, Now that this has been decided, only thing left now is to pass a budget.

lbredefe 05-29-2014 10:42 PM

As an open carrier it only takes 1 or 2 negative interactions with the police to feel like you live in a police state. By police state I mean a place where police act on what they think the law should be and not what it actually is. The worst case is when they have no idea what the law is or think they should be the only ones allowed to protect themselves.

I am not a tea party guy, but in so many words, the guy does have a point. "Stop taxing me more to make your job easier. The same job I pay you to do with tax dollars."

freonburn 06-28-2014 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lbredefe (Post 10978193)
As an open carrier it only takes 1 or 2 negative interactions with the police to feel like you live in a police state. By police state I mean a place where police act on what they think the law should be and not what it actually is. The worst case is when they have no idea what the law is or think they should be the only ones allowed to protect themselves.

Well said! I have had 2 such interactions with the police. The first, I had a lowered pickup (I bought it that way cuz it was better than a minivan for a 23yr old single guy) and I got pulled over by a police officer in Williamsburg because he said that the front bumper was too low, but then didn't give me a ticket because he did not know what the regulation was and couldn't find it.

The second is actually 2 incidents regarding the same thing. First was in NoVA I got pulled over for a burnt out brake light. When asked if I had any weapons in the vehicle (same pickup) I pointed out that I had a few swords in the bed of the pickup. While sitting on the curb with them searching my vehicle, my buddy was told that a knife carried can't be any longer than your palm is wide. Flash forward a couple of years and back in Norfolk; I was walking home intoxicated from a bar not far from the house and got stopped by the cops. I had my trusty pocket knife in my pocket and was told by the two cops that it couldn't be any longer than 3" for the blade or 5" from tip to tip open (doing the math, that's only 2.5" for the blade.) So 3 different idea's on what a regulation should be but nobody giving me a ticket or confiscating because they couldn't back it up with fact.

:facepalm:


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