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elclipo 01-07-2013 10:45 AM

Buyer's Etiquette
 
So I shook hands on Friday for a Black 2000 Sahara on Friday and we are working on paperwork on both ends (title, check, etc.)

Today I get a call from a local truck/Jeep dealership that has what I was looking for to begin with, a 200* Sport Yellow.

Long story short, would it be wrong to go look/drive that yellow one knowing that a)I already made a deal elsewhere (the dealer is aware of this BTW) and b)will go nuts if I like the yellow one better in the end?

:eek:

krisbman 01-07-2013 10:47 AM

Its yer money dude. The other seller will find another buyer.

Black Magic Brakes 01-07-2013 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by elclipo (Post 3194330)
So I shook hands on Friday for a Black 2000 Sahara on Friday and we are working on paperwork on both ends (title, check, etc.)

Today I get a call from a local truck/Jeep dealership that has what I was looking for to begin with, a 200* Sport Yellow.

Long story short, would it be wrong to go look/drive that yellow one knowing that a)I already made a deal elsewhere (the dealer is aware of this BTW) and b)will go nuts if I like the yellow one better in the end?

:eek:

If I was the seller and you explained to me that the one I was selling was ALMOST what you wanted but you had found exactly what you wanted, I'd be okay depending on your attitude and how you came across in declining the purchase.

None of that really matters if you don't know the person, it only matters to you. I've eaten some bad deals for myself because I misrepresented something, considerably under valued it and priced it accordingly. When I learned of my mistake the buyer offered to pay more and I wouldn't let him because a deal is a deal.

You're the one that has to live with yourself, conduct your affairs accordingly.

elclipo 01-07-2013 11:06 AM

That's exactly how I feel. I know I would feel bad pulling the rug from under him but in the end I will be the one that has to live with the Jeep. Then again the point would be moot if I go see this yellow one and go :crazy:

Imped 01-07-2013 11:12 AM

Black paint is easier to touch up and a perfect match doesn't matter nearly as much. ;)

Just a thought if you plan on actually wheeling it and adding armor.

krisbman 01-07-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Imped
Black paint is easier to touch up and a perfect match doesn't matter nearly as much. ;)

Just a thought if you plan on actually wheeling it and adding armor.

I disagree. Nothin looks worse than black paint that doesnt match!

TahoeBen 01-07-2013 11:15 AM

I say talk to the original seller first, and just explain your situation. I spent 3-4 months searching for my 01 Yellow TJ, so I know it will be easier for him to sell his, than for you to find another match. Most Jeeps move in less than a month, usually less.

elclipo 01-07-2013 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by krisbman (Post 3194338)
Its yer money dude. The other seller will find another buyer.

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Originally Posted by Imped (Post 3194421)
Black paint is easier to touch up and a perfect match doesn't matter nearly as much. ;)

Just a thought if you plan on actually wheeling it and adding armor.

Definitely planning on taking it offroad and mild rock crawling.

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Originally Posted by TahoeBen (Post 3194431)
I say talk to the original seller first, and just explain your situation. I spent 3-4 months searching for my 01 Yellow TJ, so I know it will be easier for him to sell his, than for you to find another match. Most Jeeps move in less than a month, usually less.

My better half will kill me if I spend another three months searching :D

The only yellow ones I have found so far have been either four cyl, autos, or just completely abused, not to mention the flood rebuild I found two weeks ago.

Imped 01-07-2013 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by krisbman (Post 3194429)
I disagree. Nothin looks worse than black paint that doesnt match!

It only matters if you're entering it in shows. My Jeep is all rattle can black and it seems to get pretty high praises in the aesthetics department, just sayin. :thumb:

elclipo 01-07-2013 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Imped (Post 3194578)
It only matters if you're entering it in shows. My Jeep is all rattle can black and it seems to get pretty high praises in the aesthetics department, just sayin. :thumb:

The black paint is still pretty glossy except for a few faded spots. I'm sure I can clean and cover them but in the end I think the whole tub will end up flat black anyways. Saying that, a yellow one will require me to be more diligent with taking care of the paint I think.

4Jeepn 01-07-2013 12:10 PM

Is the 1st one a private party or dealer. either way, until you sign on the line its not a done deal. Go look at the yellow one and then decide.

elclipo 01-07-2013 12:14 PM

The first one (black) is a private seller. The second one (yellow) is a dealer. The black one is also lifted with 33s while the yellow seems stock with about 30k miles more. The dealer is asking $1600 more than what I have to pay for the black one.

spenserb 01-07-2013 12:23 PM

what kinda axle/gear set up is on the black one?

dropzone 01-07-2013 12:29 PM

I had a similar situation come up when buying mine. I kept my word to the 1st guy...I was happy enough with the deal to begin with so it all boiled down to keeping my word. Sounds to me like the better "deal" in on the black one...but it's only a deal if You like it.

beardedbrethren 01-07-2013 12:29 PM

Just because you've already ordered doesn't mean you can't look at the menu.

Imped 01-07-2013 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by elclipo (Post 3194601)
The black paint is still pretty glossy except for a few faded spots. I'm sure I can clean and cover them but in the end I think the whole tub will end up flat black anyways. Saying that, a yellow one will require me to be more diligent with taking care of the paint I think.

Then it's good I mentioned it. :thumb:

I vote black. I have no idea how well the modifications were handled so I'll assume it's not completely messed up. Even then, it's cheaper and has fewer miles.

krisbman 01-07-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by elclipo
The first one (black) is a private seller. The second one (yellow) is a dealer. The black one is also lifted with 33s while the yellow seems stock with about 30k miles more. The dealer is asking $1600 more than what I have to pay for the black one.

Oohhh, you have some leverage with the dealer then. Id opt for the black one though. Already lifted wheels/ tires and less miles if it were me though. Opinions are like assholes though everyones got one. Its all about what you want!

elclipo 01-07-2013 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by spenserb (Post 3194684)
what kinda axle/gear set up is on the black one?

I'm not sure. :confused:

He's not very mech savvy. I have to go see the Jeep again to get under the axle to see if I can at least verify the stock. The lift was done as a package at the dealership about two years after he bought in in 1999 and has no specifics as to brands or whether or not it was re-geared.

elclipo 01-07-2013 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Imped (Post 3194721)
Then it's good I mentioned it. :thumb:

I vote black. I have no idea how well the modifications were handled so I'll assume it's not completely messed up. Even then, it's cheaper and has fewer miles.

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Originally Posted by krisbman (Post 3194742)
Oohhh, you have some leverage with the dealer then. Id opt for the black one though. Already lifted wheels/ tires and less miles if it were me though. Opinions are like assholes though everyones got one. Its all about what you want!

The more I read and write on this thread the more I lean in that direction as well :thumb:

ztman 01-07-2013 01:02 PM

Your motto is "semper Fi." I assume you know what the answer is

NC Bear 01-07-2013 01:15 PM

Well, in my book you shook hands, the deal is done.

Now, having said that, I'd still go black. It is less, has less miles, probably has never seen dirt or sand, (as the prev. owner does not know so much about it) and already has a good portion of the mods done that you want to have done.

Keep in mind this opinion is coming from a man who has a black TJ who really likes the looks of a yellow TJ, and would paint his if'n his wife would let him!

elclipo 01-07-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ztman (Post 3194845)
Your motto is "semper Fi." I assume you know what the answer is

And that's why I feel dirty just thinking about it

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Originally Posted by NC Bear (Post 3194890)
Well, in my book you shook hands, the deal is done.

Now, having said that, I'd still go black. It is less, has less miles, probably has never seen dirt or sand, (as the prev. owner does not know so much about it) and already has a good portion of the mods done that you want to have done.

Keep in mind this opinion is coming from a man who has a black TJ who really likes the looks of a yellow TJ, and would paint his if'n his wife would let him!

I like everything you said.

That said, I am still here and not looking at the yellow one and the more I sit here the more I know I shouldn't

krisbman 01-07-2013 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by elclipo

And that's why I feel dirty just thinking about it

I like everything you said.

That said, I am still here and not looking at the yellow one and the more I sit here the more I know I shouldn't

Lmao, " dirty" its not like your cheatin on yer wife!!!

Wattapunk 01-07-2013 01:44 PM

There's no written etiquette in the used car business. I'll be willing to bet that he would sell the Jeep to someone else in a heartbeat if they offered a little more with cash in hand today. Get the Jeep you really want and use the other potential buy for more leverage.

ztman 01-07-2013 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by elclipo (Post 3194921)
And that's why I feel dirty just thinking about it



I like everything you said.

That said, I am still here and not looking at the yellow one and the more I sit here the more I know I shouldn't

then go talk to the fellow that owns the black one, and explain what your thoughts are. He may say go for it. For all you know, he may have changed his mind or have another buyer lined up, win win. If he says a deal is a deal, then go black

Patrick H 01-07-2013 01:54 PM

Where I come from, a hand shake has a lot of value. Just sayin'. I guess you could talk to the guy about backing out on a verbal contract and see how he reacts.

spenserb 01-07-2013 04:07 PM

hopefully a dana 44 look up axle identification charts on here or anywhere else, also read about running 33's on a dana 35 if thats what it has... I think you'll be alright. You probably have a body lift have you drove the vehicle yet? If not drive it and drive it HARD! make sure there is no vibration issues......All these points that i have made you can search on the forum and find all kinds of info. Thanks for your service btw.


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Originally Posted by elclipo (Post 3194829)
I'm not sure. :confused:

He's not very mech savvy. I have to go see the Jeep again to get under the axle to see if I can at least verify the stock. The lift was done as a package at the dealership about two years after he bought in in 1999 and has no specifics as to brands or whether or not it was re-geared.


elclipo 01-07-2013 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by spenserb (Post 3195499)
hopefully a dana 44 look up axle identification charts on here or anywhere else, also read about running 33's on a dana 35 if thats what it has... I think you'll be alright. You probably have a body lift have you drove the vehicle yet? If not drive it and drive it HARD! make sure there is no vibration issues......All these points that i have made you can search on the forum and find all kinds of info. Thanks for your service btw.

I have always believed that a handshake declares a done deal. At this point I guess the thread is moot since I never went to see the yellow one and already received news the title is ready for the black one.

The lift is on the suspension, not the body. The tub is flushed on the frame, I did verify that. The only thing I don't know for sure is if there are spacers on the springs or a full 4" on the springs. The axle is not a 44, I did look at the end bell to see the shape. It is a 35. I didn't check the gearing itself on the plate as it may have been re-geared with the lift.

elclipo 01-08-2013 10:42 AM

SO I went and test drove the Yellow Sport this morning and I am now 200% sure the black one was the right choice. Should be in my hands tomorrow :)

whiteyj 01-08-2013 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by krisbman (Post 3194429)
I disagree. Nothin looks worse than black paint that doesnt match!

Ahmen! You'll only ever own one black vehicle in your life. Spent more time washing and waxing than driving.....at least that's what it felt like!


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