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TJ Skip 01-08-2013 07:33 PM

Question regarding shifting
 
So i am new to the world of Manuel's and my tj is my first standard vehicle and I have got the basics down however I'm curious about all you other more experienced guys out there what your tricks are manipulating the tranny. Like I have driven other standard vehicles and I understand jeeps are geared low but my issue is sometimes I can't be as fluid as I would like with starting in 1st and transitioning to second. I mean I'm not bucking it horible I just notice a little lurch and to be honest it's driving my little anal brain crazy. Also power shifting do you guys do it? Is it bad for the tranny? Or should I not worry about it all together? I look forward to answers :)

530ktm 01-08-2013 07:50 PM

It is sometimes tricky to make a perfect shift from 1st to 2nd but easiest if you shift with the rpm's around 2000. That is the way I am trying to teach my son. I have been driving this Jeep for years and I still sometimes have the not so perfect shift into second. The rest of the gears are perfect.

TJ Skip 01-08-2013 07:59 PM

Well that makes me feel good I'm not the only one! It does drive me nuts and that too is what I try and do is shift between 2000 rpms. Do you guys ever skip 1st and go to 2nd?or is that bad for it I have read mixed things forgive my noobness...

coolbreeze 01-08-2013 08:10 PM

I'm curious what you consider a power shift to be?
As for starting out in 2nd, can you do it without slipping the clutch? Best case is to idle out from a stop.

TJ Skip 01-08-2013 08:20 PM

Power shift I guess the way I'm talkin is not using the clutch to go into say 3rd to 4th or 4th to 5th? That is my understanding and what do you mean idle from a stop and go into second.... Like let off the clutch slow in first then go to second?

Dragonii 01-08-2013 08:23 PM

5 speed or 6 speed?

I have a 2006 with a 6 speed. I have been driving manual =s for many years and it took me a while to get accustomed to the Jeep.
1st to 2nd is kind of rough, when putting it in reverse I have to let off the clutch just a hair, it's slightly over extended. At first I thought it was just me, then I drove a couple others with the same set up, not just mine. I joked with my cousin that has an '05 with a 6 speed manual that she is the only person that I know that I would trust to drive it and she responded that she was probably the only person that I knew that could back it out of the parking spot.

Before I put the 33" tires on I usually started out in second gear on flat ground. I still can, but not as easy.

FireMike 01-08-2013 08:29 PM

When I shift from 1st to second before I can feel the clutch engage I give it a little throttle while the clutch is pushed in, like a couple hundred rpms maybe. then release the clutch really slow. I haven't figured out how to do it super smooth on a hill yet. But when I bring the rpms up a little you cant even tell I shifted. Even though I am running 33's with 3.07's and 4.0L.

TJ Skip 01-08-2013 08:32 PM

Mine is an 04 5speed 4.0l I guess you guys are answering my question I thought it was me but now everybody is sayin it's a little rough I was just concerned I was doing something wrong lol

Dragonii 01-08-2013 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TJ Skip (Post 3201318)
Power shift I guess the way I'm talkin is not using the clutch to go into say 3rd to 4th or 4th to 5th? That is my understanding and what do you mean idle from a stop and go into second.... Like let off the clutch slow in first then go to second?

Idle from stop, most of them have enough power to go from a dead stop to a full roll without touching the gas at all, just by lifting off the clutch slowly. I have even managed to get mine to do it in second gear. Think of it as kind of like a tractor. :)

TJ Skip 01-08-2013 08:47 PM

Huh no kiddin I know I can do that in 1st but I thought it would stall in second just letting of the clutch. Wouldn't it bog down doin that in second real bad and kinda be bad for the tranny?

530ktm 01-08-2013 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TJ Skip (Post 3201189)
Well that makes me feel good I'm not the only one! It does drive me nuts and that too is what I try and do is shift between 2000 rpms. Do you guys ever skip 1st and go to 2nd?or is that bad for it I have read mixed things forgive my noobness...

I never start off in 2nd gear, unless I am in 4 lo. :)

jgorm 01-08-2013 09:05 PM

Wait for the freeway ramp light to go green.
Rev to 4K, dump the clutch in first
Hold the gas to the floor while you power shift 2nd
Keep the gas pinned and power shift 3rd
Wind it out to redline and skip 4 and 5, into 6.

I start in 2nd about 3/4 of the time.

Sherpa 01-08-2013 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TJ Skip (Post 3201189)
Do you guys ever skip 1st and go to 2nd?or is that bad for it I have read mixed things forgive my noobness...

Starting off with your 5-speed in 2nd gear while in 2WD or 4HI is bad to do.

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Originally Posted by TJ Skip (Post 3201449)
Wouldn't it bog down doin that in second real bad and kinda be bad for the tranny?

It would bog down, yes. This isn't really bad for the transmission, but it is definitely bad for the clutch. Since starting off in 2nd gear requires quite a bit more clutch slippage, doing this will bring an early end to the life of your clutch disc. (In case you're curious, a shop will typically charge you $800+ to install a new one.)

While you're in 4LO, the t-case gearing can allow you to start off in 2nd gear without any clutch slip at all... so it can be harmless to do then in certain circumstances, such as on flat ground.

TJ Skip 01-08-2013 09:24 PM

Thankyou very much Sherpa!

Dragonii 01-08-2013 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TJ Skip (Post 3201357)
Mine is an 04 5speed 4.0l I guess you guys are answering my question I thought it was me but now everybody is sayin it's a little rough I was just concerned I was doing something wrong lol

5 speed is different from what I have. The 6 speed has lower gearing. Other factors to consider are diff gearing, tire size, etc.

Water Dog 01-08-2013 10:00 PM

Another mistake some make when starting out is that they ride their clutch, and the first little lurch turns in to magnifying lurches because your foot isn't steady on the pedal during the lurches. When you start out in first gear, get your foot completely off the clutch, and you should probably be ready to hit 2nd gear half way across the intersection (if you are geared correctly). Be patient...all it takes is practice. Everyone here had to learn it at some point in time.

MarkGLHS 01-09-2013 05:15 AM

from a dead stand still? use 1st gear only. but even if you have a very slow roll going on (1 mph?) say while doing a lazy-stop-sign (not a full stop) I use 2nd gear not 1st to get back up to speed...unless I am rolling slowly on an incline then I use 1st.

I agree with others that 2,000 RPM is optimal shifting point (with stock tires), and, that a little 1-2 shift bucking is perfectly normal in these vehicles and nothing to be concerned about.

Best thing about the manual trany in the Wrangler is it really helps with fuel economy as you can do a lot of coasting and gear-skipping, plus its a blast to drive a manual Jeep on the street (not sure about off road though).

Have fun shifting and learning.

mblutaggin 01-09-2013 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jgorm
Wait for the freeway ramp light to go green.
Rev to 4K, dump the clutch in first
Hold the gas to the floor while you power shift 2nd
Keep the gas pinned and power shift 3rd
Wind it out to redline and skip 4 and 5, into 6.

I start in 2nd about 3/4 of the time.

LMAO. trollolololololo

UFOtestpilot 01-09-2013 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TJ Skip (Post 3201318)
Power shift I guess the way I'm talkin is not using the clutch to go into say 3rd to 4th or 4th to 5th? That is my understanding


That is "clutchless shifting" and is not really so good with a synchro transmission. I can see no benefit to clutchless shifting outside of a dog engagement straight cut gear set on the track, or driving truck, unless of course there is a benefit to having excess brass shavings in your gear oil and having your gears grind prematurely.

"Power shifting" is maintaining throttle while shifting instead of letting up to shift.

amuller 01-09-2013 02:59 PM

It's a Jeep, you are supposed to buck going into 2nd, third too if you can manage to! Only once though, call it a lurch! Or maybe I'm doing it wrong, LOL

530ktm 01-09-2013 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by amuller (Post 3205013)
It's a Jeep, you are supposed to buck going into 2nd, third too if you can manage to! Only once though, call it a lurch! Or maybe I'm doing it wrong, LOL

A very informative post you have given. :nonono:

BigDeaner 01-09-2013 05:54 PM

Recently my jeep has been a little tough to get into 2nd from 1st. Downshifting from 3rd to 2nd doesn't cause me any issues. It seems to be an issue more so when its cold, but it doesn't fully go away when warmed up. There isn't a grinding, but more of a resistance and then a "clunk" when I do get it to engage. If I ease it into 2nd, something catches (the syncro?), the stick is pushed forward slightly and then it drops into gear. This issue arose only after I changed the MT fluid to MT 90... Any thoughts?

To the OP, it seems like every Wrangler is different, once you learn exactly what she likes, its easy.

c_goodnow 01-09-2013 06:02 PM

I generally go from 1st to 3rd, and don't use 2nd very often. I got into the habit because my 2nd is hard to shift into until the transmission is good and warmed up.

I don't see how you're going to hurt your transmission with any shifting issue as long as you aren't grinding gears or otherwise being overly rough. I highly doubt that starting in second will cause any problems whatsoever with the transmission. (Maybe you could hurt the AX5 I don't know...)

Slipping the clutch however, is another story.

amuller 01-09-2013 07:53 PM

:rofl:
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Originally Posted by 530ktm (Post 3205347)
A very informative post you have given. :nonono:

:rofl:

freeskier 01-09-2013 08:17 PM

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Shifting at 2000 rpm is really low.

ohioviper 01-09-2013 08:55 PM

I find it easier to shift sooner and not wind up 1st .Just ease out on clutch and as soon as it gets rolling good go into 2nd at maybe 1500 rpms or less.Goes right into 2nd nice and smooth.Then wind up the rest as needed.

Moabrubi 01-09-2013 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by freeskier (Post 3206426)
Shifting at 2000 rpm is really low.

X2 everyone thinks they are saving gas by lugging. I actually got worse mileage when i tried shifting at 2k.

I shift when it feels/sounds like I need to. I don't stare at the tach :rofl:.

C.L. 01-09-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDeaner (Post 3205697)
Recently my jeep has been a little tough to get into 2nd from 1st. Downshifting from 3rd to 2nd doesn't cause me any issues. It seems to be an issue more so when its cold, but it doesn't fully go away when warmed up. There isn't a grinding, but more of a resistance and then a "clunk" when I do get it to engage. If I ease it into 2nd, something catches (the syncro?), the stick is pushed forward slightly and then it drops into gear. This issue arose only after I changed the MT fluid to MT 90... Any thoughts?

To the OP, it seems like every Wrangler is different, once you learn exactly what she likes, its easy.

Both the AX15 and NV3550 get grumpy when it's cold out. I've tried a couple different fluids, and none have completely removed the 1-2 notch/clunk on cold mornings. When starting cold, i just double clutch for the first few 1-2 changes to smooth it out. Once it warms up it behaves itself.

Runkmaster 01-09-2013 09:45 PM

This is a great thread! All my buddies who ride with me and don't have jeeps laugh cause I have all these little tricks on how I tackle shifting depending how cold of a day it is. 2nd can be really tricky on cold days. I have three options. First i push to 3 grand and ill engage 2nd smoothly(not the smoothest ride but it bypasses that sticky feeling grabbing 2nd at lower speeds). Second, get rolling give her a little shake in neutral and ease it softly into 2nd(works about 2/3 of the time). Or third let her warm up for a good ten minutes and she'll be hot and ready for a ride, grabbing gears like a MF. Manuals are the only way to go. Sure it's more work but I'm a driver and automatics just don't do it for me.

teknoid 01-09-2013 09:59 PM

Mine's a 6 speed, and I start out in 2nd most of the time. Only because it pops out of 1st a lot. Actually, it acts like a 5 speed when I do that. I don't know if it will cause problems down the road, but I've never heard any definitive reason for it doing what it does. I've checked the boot and linkage, and they're fine.


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