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Gorving3 01-15-2013 11:22 PM

Champion Radiator warranty by Ledfoot
 
Ledfoot Racing shows a Lifetime Warranty on their Champion aluminum radiators for Jeep Wranglers. Several sources on eBay lists Champion radiators for $20-$30 less than Ledfoot but none of them show any kind of warranty other than free shipping on returns in less than 30-60 days. I'd like to have a radiator on hand to install when weather permits but that could be 30-45 days just setting in the garage waiting.

Does anyone know or have any experience along this line to know if the Lifetime Warranty is strictly a Ledfoot Racing thing and is what you're paying the extra for, or if all Champion radiators will have a lifetime warranty? Or does anyone worry about a warranty with Champion radiators?

Is this one of those "You get what you pay for", or rather "You pay for what you get" situations?

raramirez 01-16-2013 12:02 AM

I would contact the vendor and or ledfoot and ask them directly

tangofox007 01-16-2013 07:58 AM

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DevilDogDoc 01-16-2013 08:22 AM

That exclusion of warranty for offroad use would turn me off. Get an oem one and be done. Mopar parts | Dodge parts | Chrysler parts | Jeep parts

tangofox007 01-16-2013 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilDogDoc (Post 3235578)
Get an oem one and be done.

If reports on this forum are any indication, the OE radiator doesn't have a great track record when it comes to longevity.


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Originally Posted by DevilDogDoc (Post 3235578)
That exclusion of warranty for offroad use would turn me off.

The nonexistance of any warranty for an over-the-counter Mopar radiator after 12 months is hardly a turn-on.

Jerry Bransford 01-16-2013 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilDogDoc (Post 3235578)
That exclusion of warranty for offroad use would turn me off. Get an oem one and be done. Mopar parts | Dodge parts | Chrysler parts | Jeep parts

That is what I would do as well. While early TJ radiators had problems, I went through three of them in the first three years I had my then-new '97 TJ, later TJ radiators hold up well when proper cooling maintenance is observed. My '04 TJ's radiator is holding up fine with over 90k miles on it.

DevilDogDoc 01-16-2013 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tangofox007 (Post 3235694)
If reports on this forum are any indication, the OE radiator doesn't have a great track record when it comes to longevity.




The nonexistance of any warranty for an over-the-counter Mopar radiator after 12 months is hardly a turn-on.

And this is where you attempt to convince me and others that a Griffin is the same price as an oem (which its not)and as better made (which it is) blah blah blah. I don't need another rad my oem fits and functions great in the desert.

tangofox007 01-16-2013 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilDogDoc (Post 3235714)
I don't need another rad my oem fits and functions great in the desert.

Mine fit and functioned great as well. Until the upper tank cracked at 69,491 miles. ('03 model, 4.0L engine.)

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Originally Posted by DevilDogDoc (Post 3235714)
And this is where you attempt to convince me and others that a Griffin is the same price as an oem (which its not)and as better made (which it is) blah blah blah.

In the long run, a Griffin is not the same price as an OE radiator. It actually has the potential to be a lot cheaper. But not everyone has the capacity to understand the difference between cost and value. And not everyone has a long-term perspective.

DevilDogDoc 01-16-2013 09:50 AM

And there it is on cue......

freeskier 01-16-2013 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tangofox007 (Post 3235784)
Mine fit and functioned great as well. Until the upper tank cracked at 69,491 miles. ('03 model, 4.0L engine.)



In the long run, a Griffin is not the same price as an OE radiator. It actually has the potential to be a lot cheaper. But not everyone has the capacity to understand the difference between cost and value. And not everyone has a long-term perspective.

Curious as to how much you paid for your Griffin, because We R Mopar sells the OEM radiator for 188$. The cheapest Griffin I can find is around 500$. That means just to break even the Griffin has to last 2.7 times longer than the OEM.

I replaced my OEM at 115k. Assuming the average life of an OEM is 100k miles, for the Griffin to be cheaper it has to last 270,000 miles. Your long run cost stance makes no sense. Griffin makes nice radiators, but I don't think you'll ever get one that lasts that long.

Even if you got another OEM and it only lasted 70,000 miles like yours, the Griffin still has last at least 189,000 miles.

Finally, your long term is to almost to long term. Even if you driving 12,000 miles a year, your looking at well over a decade before you MIGHT see a savings in cost, and the savings cost would be minimal at that.

tangofox007 01-16-2013 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by freeskier (Post 3236008)
Curious as to how much you paid for your Griffin, because We R Mopar sells the OEM radiator for 188$. The cheapest Griffin I can find is around 500$.

For starters, the price of "the" OE radiator varies depending of the vehicle specifics. What's your best delivered price on an auto transmission Mopar radiator?

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Originally Posted by freeskier (Post 3236008)

Finally, your long term is to almost to long term. Even if you driving 12,000 miles a year, your looking at well over a decade before you MIGHT see a savings in cost, and the savings cost would be minimal at that.

For sure, my "long term" is a lot longer than typical. One of my vehicles is 3 decades old; one is 25 years old. And both just had their original radiators replaced in the past year.

Gorving3 01-16-2013 02:06 PM

My 2001 Wrangler now has 65,000 miles and the original radiator has been seeping around the top tank for at least 2 years so it didn't last more than 9-10 years and 50,000-55,000 miles. I even installed a new 13# radiator cap to lower the pressure on the tank, which helped some without affecting the cooling any but it's still seeping. Thought about trying to re-crimp around the top tank with a small pair of vice grips but the radiator almost has to be removed in order to reach all of them and then it still may leak. I called the local Jeep dealer and was quoted $267 for a replacement with the same crappy plastic tanks but an all aluminum Champion radiator seems to run between $175 and $200 depending on the source.
With only a 12 month warranty on the OEM and maybe a Lifetime warranty on the Champion all aluminum I'm wondering if there should be any contest here.
Appreciate all the time involved getting so much advice from the Forum.

Shoe 01-16-2013 03:38 PM

I had a Champion radiator that started leaking soon after I bought it. champion wanted me to go through the Ebay vendor I bought it from.
All I had to do was send them a few pictures of the leak, and they sent me a replacement.

DevilDogDoc 01-16-2013 03:41 PM

Yeah there is nothing I would rather do than spend my free time changing out substandard parts.... Factor in my time, shipping crap back and forth coolant etc I will stick with oem.

Dextreme 01-16-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by freeskier (Post 3236008)
Curious as to how much you paid for your Griffin, because We R Mopar sells the OEM radiator for 188$. The cheapest Griffin I can find is around 500$. That means just to break even the Griffin has to last 2.7 times longer than the OEM.


FYI - The Griffin is $444 via Amazon.

Griffin Radiator 1987-2006 Jeep Wrangler YJ/TJ Radiator : Amazon.com : Automotive

DevilDogDoc 01-16-2013 04:26 PM

And it's a 2 row....

Patrick H 01-16-2013 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilDogDoc (Post 3237171)
And it's a 2 row....

Yeah, 2 rows of 1 inch tubes. How wide are the tubes in a POS plastic tanked OEM unit?

DevilDogDoc 01-16-2013 04:30 PM

Couldn't tell ya Skippy but there was a reason Jeep went from a 2 row to a 1 row early in the TJ's history. There is also a reason the big names in desert racing run 1 row rads too.....,

Patrick H 01-16-2013 04:33 PM

Skippy?

DevilDogDoc 01-16-2013 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick H (Post 3237181)
Yeah, 2 rows of 1 inch tubes. How wide are the tubes in a POS plastic tanked OEM unit?

Oh it's 1 inch thick and 1 inch wide tubes.
http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/a...07F70ECD58.jpg

Patrick H 01-16-2013 04:52 PM

So, half the cooling surface area of the Griffin. Not that the OEM doesn't cool well enough.

DevilDogDoc 01-16-2013 04:57 PM

And it's twice as thick.

Patrick H 01-16-2013 05:00 PM

Well, yes, it would have to be.

DevilDogDoc 01-16-2013 05:04 PM

And that was the exact cool off the website, the one linked above is 3 inches thick. I don't see there being that much room in there. Fwiw the exact cool is one row of 1.5 inch tubes so I'm sure it cools nicely but I didn't see a price.

Patrick H 01-16-2013 05:06 PM

I didn't look at the actual thickness. Is that the core, or the tanks? Seems mighty thick.
The old 4-core Chevy big block radiators I used to run weren't that thick, at least not the core. Of course, the tubes weren't that thick. Back then, they weren't using tubes that were that thick, just multiple rows of thinner tubes, which aren't as efficient at heat transfer.

DevilDogDoc 01-16-2013 05:08 PM

It says core on the info for the Amazon one above.

Gorving3 01-16-2013 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by raramirez (Post 3234822)
I would contact the vendor and or ledfoot and ask them directly

Ledfoot already states the Lifetime Warranty but I've been unable to find a contact for CoolingPros and Radiator Galaxy which are the two best priced Champion radiators on eBay. Not sure what I might be doing or trying but it seems nothing I click on the particular company's eBay sight will list any thing about reaching the company. Seems if a product might have a warranty of any kind a purchaser should know where the product comes from.
Maybe I'm trying to be too picky.

Patrick H 01-16-2013 10:33 PM

FWIW, I bought an aluminum radiator (for a Mustang, but put it in my CJ5) from these guys. It was nothing short of excellent. I talked to them on the phone and they were very helpful. Might call them and ask about their "limited lifetime" warranty.

2 Row Champion Cooling Aluminum Radiator for 1987-2006 Jeep Wrangler items in Reliable Radiator store on eBay!

tangofox007 01-16-2013 10:51 PM

For all practical purposes, no promises made on Ebay are going to be easily enforcable once 60 days has passed from the purchase date.


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