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jordorunway 01-21-2013 01:57 AM

Pulling the trigger on a lift kit finally, good decision?
 
Before I start, im still new to the jeep world and don't know a lot and im no mechanic either lol. But i've finally decided its time for a lift, im all stock as of now except new wheels and tires. 00' TJ Sahara 4.0 Auto. My last two times wheeling, REALLY opened my eyes and made me realize exactly what I need my rig to be capable of.

So im looking to go ahead with the Rough Country 4" N2-Series lift. Probably the end of this week is when i'll be ordering.

Jeep TJ N2-Series Suspension Lift

I haven't really heard much about this kit, does anyone have any experience with it? Or had any problems with it, or anything I should be aware of?

Is there anything else i need to run the lift properly? Or should I just be able to put it on and go with no problems?

Also tires, im gonna be moving up to 33's or 34's. But as far as tires go, i need them to be extremely trail capable but they also need to wear good on the road, as my rig is my daily driver. The trails are pretty harsh, lots of mud, and lots of rocks. That and the fact whenever i go wheeling, i seem to hook up with people with buggy's, and following someone that's running 44 Boggers, tends to get pretty sketchy lol :punk: So any suggestions as far as tires?

Any advice at all will be super helpful and greatly appreciated! :D

jburl 01-21-2013 09:31 AM

Did you notice you have to drop the Transfer Case with this lift? Not sure why you would want to add longer springs and bigger tires just to loose all that clearance by dropping the TC? The non-adjustable LCA's don't do much for me either.

TJspeed 01-21-2013 09:36 AM

Generally people well tell you to stay away from rough country.

SS Adrenaline 01-21-2013 09:43 AM

The name says it all from what I have read.

Jeepzjlover 01-21-2013 09:56 AM

I would recommend you get in touch with dirk at dpgoffroad have him hook you up with a good quality old man emu kit. He'll set you up right and its hard to get a better riding lift kit.

jordorunway 01-21-2013 02:37 PM

As far as OME i have heard alot of good things about them, but everything i seen, the biggest lift you can get with them is a 2.5" and im looking to go 4". I was also looking at a IRON ROCK 4" Ultimate Short Arm Lift Kit, but as far as the company i've never heard anyone mention on here or anyone say their running some of their stuff.

IRON ROCK OFF ROAD: TJ 4" Ultimate Short Arm Lift Kit

Also I know i will have to shell out the extra money and get a SYE/CV drive shaft so i wont sacrifice clearance. I personally know alot of people the run rough country lifts and swear by them, but they all drive Cherokees. So i as far as one of their lifts for a TJ i wouldnt know. I would like to lean toward the short arm kit since it seems like it would take a better beating, but the only thing that is keeping me from it is the fact that i've never heard anyone talk about IRON ROCK.

Can anyone weigh in on this?

Imped 01-21-2013 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jordorunway (Post 3255362)
REALLY opened my eyes and made me realize exactly what I need my rig to be capable of.

And what's that?

Dextreme 01-21-2013 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jordorunway (Post 3256863)

Can anyone weigh in on this?

I will make an assumption that you are on a tight budget if you are looking at this RC kit. A much better solution in that price range is the Zone Combo kit.

4.25" TJ Combo Lift J25/J26

Personally, I am of the mind set that if I am not going to run control arms that have johnny joints, then I am sticking with OEM control arms. (Lots of junk aftermarket control arms/bushings out there.)

Jeepzjlover 01-21-2013 03:28 PM

I'm telling you dirk can set you up he has ways of getting the lift you want at good prices. 35, s are doable with Dirks old man emu kit! Otherwise call Chris at Jeepaddons let him school you a bit he's very good at this to. I would stay away from rough country.

jordorunway 01-21-2013 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Imped (Post 3256876)
And what's that?

Its needs to get over some pretty big rocks on its on power cause their on one of the main trails/the easiest ways to make it out, plus make it through some pretty dang big mud holes. Also needs to be able to take a beating. Last time i went out i made a good decision to leave mine at the unload spot and catch a ride. Or i would have ended up being a pretty big burden to the person that would have had to pull me all day lol. In all there were 2 different people lost drive shafts and their 4wd, couple of bent tie rods and one guy ended up breaking a rear axle and blowing 2 tires. Usually when we go it ends up raining and its a soupy muddy mess. Lots of hills with rocks and deep ruts. Plus some of the deepest mud pits are on the main trail.

Imped 01-21-2013 04:11 PM

So why are you focusing on some basic, bare-bones suspension lift first? Go take a look at the things that hang the lowest--the gas tank and the belly. Don't you think moving those up would make a big difference?

Going up 4" will require a lot to do it right, more than you think and more than RC includes in their kits.

jordorunway 01-21-2013 04:28 PM

Ok you got me there, but wouldn't a lift help move those things up? That's kind of the point in a lift right? Besides the fact of allowing bigger tires, which also gives you more lift, gets your axle up higher, which is one thing I need to happen, I've only been hung up once, high centered on my differentials on a rut in a mud hole. But it's not the fact that I'm on a super tight budget it's more like I want something capable and dependable with out having to give part of my soul for something that's like $2500 or $3000. Also I understand the whole "you get what you pay for" which is why I'm trying to do as much research as I can so i don't end up with something I'm gonna regret and take off later.

jordorunway 01-21-2013 04:38 PM

If you were in my shoes, what kind of kit would you be looking at? I'm open to anything at this point lol

Dextreme 01-21-2013 05:13 PM

If you are starting out cheap and want to run 33's for the diff clearance, I think it's silly to install a lift that requires a TC drop...unless you have a SYE/CV.

A 2-3" spring lift may not need a TC Drop (or very minor) where a 4" spring pretty much requires a TC Drop. So with a 2-3" spring lift with a 1-1.25" Body lift, you would have more ground clearance to the skid than you would with that 4" kit with a TC Drop.

G54 01-21-2013 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jordorunway (Post 3257251)
If you were in my shoes, what kind of kit would you be looking at? I'm open to anything at this point lol

Good friend bought RC and totally regretted it. I agree with giving Dirk a call at DPGoffroad. IMO, go with the OME 2.5" lift with 1.25 JKS body lift motor mount lift. NO t-case drop. Easily fit 33s. The BL will allow you to go with a high clearance tcase skid eventually as well as a better higher clearance gas tank skid. Once you lift the tcase though you will need the SYE/CV, if not before....depends on your jeep. Good skids should be high on your priority list if you plan to offroad it. His packages also include adjustable trac bars to center your axles, which will be off center after lifting. The high end package includes JKS control arms, although I prefer Rokmen CAs, JKS are pretty good. Here is a link to the best package, and it goes down in stuff and price from there. Old Man Emu Super Ultimate TJ/LJ Wrangler Kit | dpgoffroad.com

K.wag 01-21-2013 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jburl (Post 3255862)
Did you notice you have to drop the Transfer Case with this lift? Not sure why you would want to add longer springs and bigger tires just to loose all that clearance by dropping the TC? The non-adjustable LCA's don't do much for me either.

because bigger tires and springs lift the lowest hanging part: the axles. That being said, the t-case drop is only an inch or so. you are still gaining 2-3" of lift.

And above all, not everyone is made of money. Not everyone can afford to spend the $600 on top of the lift to do SYE when a t case is a much cheaper option to get started and is easy to remove when funds are available for a SYE

jordorunway 01-21-2013 05:42 PM

Well if I was gonna go that route and pay over $2000, I could just pay little extra money and get Rubicon Express lift.

G54 01-21-2013 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jordorunway (Post 3257251)
If you were in my shoes, what kind of kit would you be looking at? I'm open to anything at this point lol

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Originally Posted by jordorunway (Post 3257487)
Well if I was gonna go that route and pay over $2000, I could just pay little extra money and get Rubicon Express lift.

Whatever you want. I was just answering your above question on what I would do if I was in your shoes.

Dextreme 01-21-2013 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by K.wag (Post 3257458)
because bigger tires and springs lift the lowest hanging part: the axles. That being said, the t-case drop is only an inch or so. you are still gaining 2-3" of lift.

And above all, not everyone is made of money. Not everyone can afford to spend the $600 on top of the lift to do SYE when a t case is a much cheaper option to get started and is easy to remove when funds are available for a SYE

While I agree that not everyone is made of money...we don't want to waste money either. ;)

In deep mud/ruts/snow/sand, I would rather have a ~3" Spring Lift with no TC drop than a 4" Spring Lift with a 1" TC drop.

G54 01-21-2013 06:26 PM

As for tires, there is obviously always some trade off for on road wear etc when you choose a good off road tire. I suggest looking at the Goodyear Duratrac for decent off road capability with excellent on road manners, or the Goodyear MTR-k for excellent off road capability and yet very decent on road manners. Of the two Id choose the MTRk

au97jeep 01-21-2013 06:28 PM

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I just installed moog cc784 coils up front and teraflex 2 inch rear spacers. This is on my 2002 6cyl manual tj. I used stock jk shocks. Total lift was 2.5 inches front and 2 in the rear. I have a slight vibration around 40mph now. I am going to lower the t-case with washers until the vibration stops. If you added a body lift on top, it would easily clear 33s. Here is a pic of the front coils compared to stock. These have the same specs as the bds front 2 inch coils.

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jordorunway 01-21-2013 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gus54

Whatever you want. I was just answering your above question on what I would do if I was in your shoes.

Yea I know, but hey, I do wish I had the funds to do that though lol.

I'm running 31" duratracs right now, I'm probably gonna move to a different tire they don't clean them selves as good as I thought they would, but they are still a pretty good tire, but I was thinking the MT/R like you said.

K.wag 01-25-2013 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dextreme (Post 3257590)
While I agree that not everyone is made of money...we don't want to waste money either. ;)

In deep mud/ruts/snow/sand, I would rather have a ~3" Spring Lift with no TC drop than a 4" Spring Lift with a 1" TC drop.

and yet a 4" with a TC drop will have the same belly height as the 3" no drop, but more articulation. The difference is, I can eventually buy a SYE down the road and gain it back, the 3" lift will have to change lifts. I fabbed my own TC drop, so it cost me some wknd labor and maybe a few bolts?

Imped 01-25-2013 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jordorunway (Post 3257487)
Well if I was gonna go that route and pay over $2000, I could just pay little extra money and get Rubicon Express lift.

And you know what's funny? The end result would be hardly any better than your original plan of using RC parts.

RE is junk, research.

K.wag 01-25-2013 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Imped (Post 3275774)
And you know what's funny? The end result would be hardly any better than your original plan of using RC parts.

RE is junk, research.

x2

DevilDogDoc 01-25-2013 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Imped (Post 3275774)
And you know what's funny? The end result would be hardly any better than your original plan of using RC parts.

RE is junk, research.

Exactly what I thought when I read that.

2003 wrangler 01-25-2013 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Imped (Post 3275774)
And you know what's funny? The end result would be hardly any better than your original plan of using RC parts.

RE is junk, research.

Yeah thats why i ordered the currie 4 lift. Here is some reading if you want to do some op.
rubicon express vs currie enterprises - JeepForum.com

GlocksandJeeps 01-25-2013 03:45 PM

In regards to 4" lifts, I've noticed everyone is going to say every lift is junk unless its a 4" currie lift, which is probably very true. Currie seems to make some great stuff. That said, I ended up doing a pro comp 4" lift, Rancho 9000XL shocks, SYE kit, and RE adjustable track bar. I'm very happy with my kit, but I also am not much of an off roader. If I was, I would have went with the currie brand. It was just too expensive for a jeep that doesn't see the trails. I eventually plan on upgrading to their adjustable control arms down the road, but thats when money is more plentiful.

I've heard a lot of bad things about rough country though, so be careful. RE also have some bushing issues with their control arms, as do my pro comps (or so I've read, no issues yet). Rancho seems to get decent remarks. Those DPG kits get great reviews as do the Zone kits. I just did not want to do a body lift. Everyone will tell you something different, they are just trying to help and don't want you to end up with a junk kit. Take everyone with a grain of salt, me included, and when your shaker is full make your decision. Good luck!

Imped 01-25-2013 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 2003 wrangler (Post 3277189)
Yeah thats why i ordered the currie 4 lift. Here is some reading if you want to do some op.
rubicon express vs currie enterprises - JeepForum.com

One of the better threads of last year. If you want to learn some stuff, read through it with your glasses on.

techflork 01-25-2013 05:52 PM

I know I've said this a lot in other threads but think about this, I was going to do a lift a run 33's and I was going to buy the savvy currie lift but I wasn't a fan of all the work and extra stuff I had to buy just to run it right. After research and reading and cost I found metal cloak fenders. They are mighty expensive, basically as much as the lift I wanted but they are 100% bolt on and I can run 33's without any other mods to make it work. I like the way they look and I get to run the tires I wanted. I can slowly work the sye, tummy tuck, then eventually an ome lift if I feel the jeep needs some better flexing. Just another way to go.


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