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MrPiff 01-22-2013 08:11 AM

Soft Top Security Issues
 
I just ordered a 2013 JKUR with the premium soft top. I am completely opposed to the idea of the hard top. I personaly don't like the look and I don't like the difficulty of removing and putting it back.

That being said, I know that the soft top significantly comprimises my security. So my question is what can I do to make the soft top as secure as possible.

Any reccomended alarm systems? Or anything else that may help?

kappaknight 01-22-2013 08:14 AM

Check out the Tuffy Security Enclosure Deck to add lockable trunk space to your Jeep. They also have other products that add additional lockable space throughout the rig.

I wouldn't bother with an alarm system. Your JKUR already has one.

cctriesch 01-22-2013 08:15 AM

Leave your doors open so they don't cut your windows like they did on mine..

R4D4R 01-22-2013 08:15 AM

Maybe flamethrowers controlled by a proximity alarm? Trained chimpanzee to provide overwatch?

A soft top is inherently insecure and most alarms are pretty useless. Any dirtbag can slice your top and make off with whatever he wants before anyone looks out their window to do something about it.
The best deterrent is leave nothing in the cabin for someone to have a reason to break into your Jeep. Hell, I once left a hockey stick and some CDs in my old ZJ and some asshole tried to punch out both my locks to get at it. Leave nothing in the open and no one will have a reason to break into your Jeep.

MrPiff 01-22-2013 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kappaknight (Post 3260523)
Check out the Tuffy Security Enclosure Deck to add lockable trunk space to your Jeep. They also have other products that add additional lockable space throughout the rig.

I wouldn't bother with an alarm system. Your JKUR already has one.

Thanks. I'll check that out, sounds like a good idea to have lockable trunk space.

ezymount 01-22-2013 08:36 AM

Alarm w/Proximity Sensor
 
When we had our aftermarket alarm installed, we opted for the addition of a Proximity Sensor with the unit. It has sensitivity adjustment, that I can get to. Before I re-adjusted, after dealer installed, it would detect motion/precence on either side of the passenger side, driver side or rear tailgate, and give warning beeps from the siren, if you got too close. Even kids playing on sidewalk directly behind Jeep would set it off. I re-adjusted, so that I actually have to stick my arm thru windown and down into seat before it goes off now. It also reacts from center of rear cargo area. It does significantly draw from battery if left on all the time. I had a switch installed, where I can only use it as needed. It will go about 4-5 days, if the Jeep is not started, before it draws battery down to a dangerously low level..I found out the hard way ! Works great and keeps the curious away. We feel more secure, with doors off, tops off, windows down with that sensor engaged... The warning turns into a full alarm condition, with siren if you maintain precence in protected zone for longer than about 5 seconds or so...

cphilip 01-22-2013 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cctriesch (Post 3260525)
Leave your doors open so they don't cut your windows like they did on mine..

Saw a guy uptown one night find his slashed and yet his doors WERE unlocked. He couldn't freakin believe it. They didn't get anything either. All for nothing and they never checked to see if it was unlocked. :facepalm:

KittyPrawn 01-22-2013 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cphilip (Post 3260643)
Saw a guy uptown one night find his slashed and yet his doors WERE unlocked. He couldn't freakin believe it. They didn't get anything either. All for nothing and they never checked to see if it was unlocked. :facepalm:

That's because some people like to vandalize things for no reason. There have been kids driving around in VA shooting out windows in people's cars lately. They're not stealing anything... just driving around and shooting windows.

Nothing is safe. Just enjoy what you have and don't keep anything valuable visible.

R4D4R 01-22-2013 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ezymount (Post 3260581)
I re-adjusted, so that I actually have to stick my arm thru windown and down into seat before it goes off now. It also reacts from center of rear cargo area.

Lets say Im some degenerate dirtbag walking the street and I see your Jeep with its windows down or doors off. You go to lunch parked on the street and you turn your proximity alarm on. I see this open vehicle with a cell phone or purse or wallet sitting on the seat or wherever. I just stick my arm in and walk off with it. The alarm may go off, but by the time anyone does anything about it, Im long gone. If you are at least going to have a proximity alarm in the thing, dont let someone be able to stick their hand in before it goes off! Whats the difference between hands in and hands all the way in to grab something? 4-6 inches? If said dirtbag is quick, it may just chirp for a second and not even go off.

Buddhacon 01-22-2013 09:23 AM

Out of sight out of mind concept!

My jeep is empty, my glove box, and center console are locked, even when Im driving naked my EZPass is locked away.

Plasticpirogue 01-22-2013 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by R4D4R (Post 3260711)
Lets say Im some degenerate dirtbag walking the street and I see your Jeep with its windows down or doors off. You go to lunch parked on the street and you turn your proximity alarm on. I see this open vehicle with a cell phone or purse or wallet sitting on the seat or wherever. I just stick my arm in and walk off with it. The alarm may go off, but by the time anyone does anything about it, Im long gone. If you are at least going to have a proximity alarm in the thing, dont let someone be able to stick their hand in before it goes off! Whats the difference between hands in and hands all the way in to grab something? 4-6 inches? If said dirtbag is quick, it may just chirp for a second and not even go off.

Who would leave a "cell phone or purse or wallet sitting on the seat" in an open topped Jeep, alarmed or not? IF you do that, NOTHING is going to protect you. Seriously, come on man!

stzd8 01-22-2013 09:36 AM

if the hardtop was better designed
 
I wished the read hardtop didnt look too 'blocky', then it wouldn't be so bad having on it.

gr8fulKID 01-22-2013 09:38 AM

I just made a diy trunk enclosure for my 2 door jk with 80 dollars in wood, bolts , and nuts. im going to post pics of it in the thread that I made later on today..

Its not as secure as the tuffy, but it will definitely prevent the quick grabs from happening.

R4D4R 01-22-2013 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Plasticpirogue (Post 3260785)
Who would leave a "cell phone or purse or wallet sitting on the seat" in an open topped Jeep, alarmed or not? IF you do that, NOTHING is going to protect you. Seriously, come on man!


Exactly. Then why bother having a proximity alarm where you can reach into the vehicle at all?

cphilip 01-22-2013 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KittyPrawn (Post 3260694)
That's because some people like to vandalize things for no reason. There have been kids driving around in VA shooting out windows in people's cars lately. They're not stealing anything... just driving around and shooting windows.

Nothing is safe. Just enjoy what you have and don't keep anything valuable visible.

Possibly. Who knows the motives of a criminal. But, in this case, no other vehicles damaged in anyway. And it was in a Hotels parking garage. And the slit was pretty clean and over near the rear hatches zipper and not in the clear of the windshield so as to be pretty precise and well though out. My impression was they were hoping to find something. And Just didn't. The owner said he didn't get anything anyway. And it appears they just were quick and didn't want to take the time to test the doors when it was just easier and quicker to slice and dice. But... I could be wrong. Nothing is safe in any way from a criminal.

ibwile 01-22-2013 09:55 AM

Does anyone else here hate car alarms? All they seem to do is piss off the people around you. I have never once called the police when hearing a car alarm, has anyone else? I have certainly never seen the police come running. Also-the constant "blip blip" as doors get locked and unlocked...even worse. At least you can turn this off on the Jeep.

(A proximity sensor that would snap a pic of the thief might be a nice touch though.)

Anyway, this is my third soft top Jeep- and my standing solution was always to leave it unlocked. I do feel less secure about this in the JK since more of these Jeeps would conceivably have some spendier toys inside- iphones,ipad, etc and may be a higher profile taret than a shopworn old TJ.

Keep stuff out of sight. Center console doesn't count, they will pry that open in a flash. If I were looking to make a nice secure spot, I'd start with that hidden compartment in the cargo area.

I don't know- Insure it, park smart, enjoy the daylights out of it.

MrPiff 01-22-2013 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ezymount (Post 3260581)
When we had our aftermarket alarm installed, we opted for the addition of a Proximity Sensor with the unit. It has sensitivity adjustment, that I can get to. Before I re-adjusted, after dealer installed, it would detect motion/precence on either side of the passenger side, driver side or rear tailgate, and give warning beeps from the siren, if you got too close. Even kids playing on sidewalk directly behind Jeep would set it off. I re-adjusted, so that I actually have to stick my arm thru windown and down into seat before it goes off now. It also reacts from center of rear cargo area. It does significantly draw from battery if left on all the time. I had a switch installed, where I can only use it as needed. It will go about 4-5 days, if the Jeep is not started, before it draws battery down to a dangerously low level..I found out the hard way ! Works great and keeps the curious away. We feel more secure, with doors off, tops off, windows down with that sensor engaged... The warning turns into a full alarm condition, with siren if you maintain precence in protected zone for longer than about 5 seconds or so...

How much did this thing run you? I would be down for that but I'm noy trying to break the bank.

Can it say "STEP AWAY FROM THR VEHICLE" in a robot voice? lol

novassfan 01-22-2013 11:09 AM

I have a 2013 JKU with the premium softtop, only. Feel as you do and another poster about the "block " look of the the hardtop and the pain it is to take it on and off twice a year; to say nothing of the storage.

I'd be very interested in an enhanced security system, but I'd worry about the potential for false alarms. My vehicle is garaged and I avoid taking it to crummy areas. Burns my wife up that we use her car more than mine, but I haven't changed how I treat my vehicles since I started driving 45 yrs ago and ain't gonna change now.:thumb:

COStrider 01-22-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cctriesch
Leave your doors open so they don't cut your windows like they did on mine..

Stupid crooks. Just unzip the damn windows don't cut the f'ing window. Damn!

A guy I knew who owned a soft top replacement company said just leave the doors unlocked and don't leave anything in there that is valuable. Pretty good advice IMHO!

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Bad photo but it's the best one I had of her in the Jeep. NOBODY GOES TOO CLOSE TO "HER" JEEP. LOL

Lynskey 01-22-2013 11:26 AM

I still don’t get criminals and Jeep tops. It is just as easy to unzip the rear window to gain access to the vehicle if your intention is to gain access. If your intention is to just be a douchebag and cut the windows just for the hell of it, then that is that and not much you can do.

But seriously doesn’t it look less obvious to just simply unzip a window to crawl in? If I saw someone unzipping a window, I would be more inclined to think it was the actual owner than a thief. Depends on the situation of course…

That said I did purchase a proximity sensor and plan to install/piggyback to the factory alarm sort of like ezmount did with installing a switch inside of the center console. That way I can trigger it off if I have the HT on or if I simply don’t want it on. I have the switch ready to go. Just waiting for warmer weather so I can map put the trigger wire and placement of the sensor.

I’m going to set mine up so it runs off of the tailgate signal for the alarm and use that as the input for the sensor. I will also use a relay so that when I start the Jeep, it will turn power off to that sensor off so I don’t get the “Tailgate Open” message on the EVIC. Using the tailgate trigger wire will trip the EVIC without that turned off. Pretty easy work around. The trigger from the tailgate and the input on the sensor are negative terminals so no power going to the sensor will eliminate that.

MikeK46 01-22-2013 11:30 AM

Don't leave your doors unlocked (this just invites handle jigglers), don't leave anything in the Jeep unless it's in a hidden security box, don't park in dark empty areas.

My window was cut once because I had a drawstring bag in the back. They made off with a pair of sweatpants.

OffRoadWarrior 01-22-2013 11:32 AM

When parking in any city near me I plan to not leave "anything" in sight. Thieves, usually kids on bikes will smash out the windows to grab any sort of bag they see. They don't even care if people are around. I imagine soft top Jeeps would an easy target for them, but seeing how they don't care about getting caught I'd imagine they'd target luxury cars 1st for the potential of finding higher value stuff.

xcoaste 01-22-2013 11:34 AM

Don't leave anything in your vehicle you value. This is rule of thumb whether it is a Jeep or not.

I have lived in many places with only a soft top installed on my Jeeps (cities, suburbs, beach towns). Never had anything stolen, but you have to play the odds. If I was going to park some where at night, it was in a well lit area. Also I always removed my faceplate on my head unit.

panthermark 01-22-2013 11:34 AM

I rock a hard top for added security, but will hopefully go to a soft top or spidershade this summer. So with that said, I've added some equipment to make the Jeep a bit more secure come warm weather.

*Rampage Locking Hood Catch (Obvious lock.....much harder to quietly get to the battery/alarm)
*Gorilla Spline Lugs
*Tuffy Underseat Lockbox
*Tuffy Rear Trunk Enclosure

Honestly, a Jeep will never be totally secure...but you don't want to make it easy.

MrPiff 01-22-2013 12:03 PM

Just checked out the Tuffy Security Deck and it looks good enough for me. Only problem i could see is i plan on installing aftermarket subs. I wonder if it will stiffle the sound.

But on the other hand, I definitely want to protect those. Damn catch 22.

panthermark 01-22-2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPiff (Post 3261389)
Just checked out the Tuffy Security Deck and it looks good enough for me. Only problem i could see is i plan on installing aftermarket subs. I wonder if it will stiffle the sound.

But on the other hand, I definitely want to protect those. Damn catch 22.

It does not really impact the bass (of the stock sub) at all. However, if you are talking aftermarket, you will probably be looking at a lot of rattle. Keep in mind that too much "thunder" is going to draw attention to your ride as well.

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The Tuffy stuff is nice. It clearly isn't "theft proof"...but it eliminates a lot of the "opportunity or smash and grab" thefts.

MrPiff 01-22-2013 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by panthermark (Post 3261392)

It does not really impact the bass (of the stock sub) at all. However, if you are talking aftermarket, you will probably be looking at a lot of rattle.

That's what I'm thinking. How easily removable is it? Because I only really need the added security when I'm in the city. I live in one of the safest suburbs in America, so I'm not too worried about driving and parking around town.

And I'm not gonna lie, as intellectual as I like to think I am, I listen to some loud, ignorant rap music lol. So that bass will be bumpin and I don't want to hear that thing rattling.

Blastek 01-22-2013 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPiff (Post 3260921)
How much did this thing run you? I would be down for that but I'm noy trying to break the bank.

Can it say "STEP AWAY FROM THR VEHICLE" in a robot voice? lol

i installed a 2-way prox sensor for about $100 bucks

MrPiff 01-22-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Blastek (Post 3261436)

i installed a 2-way prox sensor for about $100 bucks

That seems hella cheap to me. (cheap as in inexpensive) I'll assume you installed it yourself?

panthermark 01-22-2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPiff (Post 3261418)
That's what I'm thinking. How easily removable is it? Because I only really need the added security when I'm in the city. I live in one of the safest suburbs in America, so I'm not too worried about driving and parking around town.

And I'm not gonna lie, as intellectual as I like to think I am, I listen to some loud, ignorant rap music lol. So that bass will be bumpin and I don't want to hear that thing rattling.

The "lid" is easily removable. Open rear door and window, pull lid forward, tilt up, slide lid all the way back, and remove.
The "front" has 4 wing-type bolts that you can only get to from inside the trunk. 30 seconds each to get out. (Twice as long to get in)

There are are few other parts bolted in on top of the wheel wells that don't take up too much room....but honestly....it is going to rattle some if you are adding aftermarket subs. I don't get much rattle now, but I have the stock sub. I don't think the rattle will be awful...but...any metal to metal contacts will probably buzz.


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