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zeprider25 01-23-2013 11:56 AM

TJ broke down.
 
Was driving to work. Got 2 miles down the freeway in stop and go traffic. My tj shut off while going like 10mph and wouldn't restart. No codes. 3/4 tank gas. Battery holding charge we even tried to jump it just in case. Does not crank or turn over. Dead silence. Have not had any issues in the last 2 years of ownership. I'm thinking starter or alternator? What you guys think?

Darth Vader 01-23-2013 12:02 PM

Gotta be the starter. Open the hood and have somebody listen when you turn the key. Does it make a clicking noise? If no, bad starter.

Cons_Table 01-23-2013 12:04 PM

I am thinking, since it died going down the street, that it could be the alternator. Once started, the alternator should handle the load of the electronics on a running jeep. This is why you should be able to start a jeep, remove the battery, and it continue to run.

As for the starter...I know when mine crapped out, I was able to tap on it firmly and it would engage and start up. I dont know why a starter would cause you to die goin down the road though. If you can get the jeep down to an auto store, most of them can test the alternator in the vehicle. They may be able to test the starter still installed as well. If not, I know you can take either of them inside and test them.

Dextreme 01-23-2013 12:04 PM

Wait..why would the starter make the TJ die going down the highway? Not seeing the logical relation.

Cons_Table 01-23-2013 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Vader (Post 3266726)
Gotta be the starter. Open the hood and have somebody listen when you turn the key. Does it make a clicking noise? If no, bad starter.

I dont think a bad starter would cause his jeep to die in the middle of the street though...

Cons_Table 01-23-2013 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDsDream (Post 3266757)
Fuel delivery issue. Are you hearing the fuel pump click on when you turn the key? Pull the fuel line, bump the key and see if you have any pressure. It could just be a relay.

Good thought. I was thinking this as well. Except he says it's not even turning over :confused:

JDsDream 01-23-2013 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cons_Table (Post 3266765)
Good thought. I was thinking this as well. Except he says it's not even turning over :confused:

Yeah I caught that after I posted. It sounds electrical.

Do you have any quages/lights when you turn the key?
It could be something as simple as a relay or a connection that has come loose.
Manual or Auto tranny?

Dextreme 01-23-2013 12:18 PM

Check all your fuses. Make sure something didn't short out.

zeprider25 01-23-2013 12:20 PM

Automatic. All lights and gauges work perfectly.

No clicking from the starter.

JDsDream 01-23-2013 12:25 PM

Check the connections on your alternator. The battery can have enough power to keep the bells and whistles going but not enough to turn over the engine. I would check the ignition cables to make sure that everything is good and tight with no corrosion or breaks. Also look for loose ground wires that could be draining your electrical system.

zeprider25 01-23-2013 02:52 PM

All fuses are good. Idk how to check relays. Will investigate connections more once it stops raining since I don't have a garage

JDsDream 01-23-2013 03:05 PM

Just a quick question...was it raining when this happened?

zeprider25 01-23-2013 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDsDream (Post 3267381)
Just a quick question...was it raining when this happened?

No it wasn't but it was below freezing if that helps

SeVeReDiStOrTiOn 01-23-2013 04:21 PM

My guess would be ignition cylinder or sensor related....neutral safety switch? Try going from park through all the gears, wiggle it around ,try starting in neutral. You could also try jumping the starter I think that bypasses the switch.

BlownCobra03 01-23-2013 05:45 PM

probably not the starter

shatteredsoul 01-23-2013 06:20 PM

Do a quick search for ignition switch actuator pin part # 924-704. Mine broke Monday when it was below freezing and had a similar no start condition like the starter or battery was bad. Its a very common issue with Mopars including Jeeps. If you must start the Jeep you can pull the starter relay located in the PDC under the hood and use a jumper wire from terminal #30 and #87(my jeep is a 1998 so maybe double check!!), as soon as the Jeep starts quickly pull the jumper wire out replace and replace the relay.

EDIT- You will need the key in on position and a helper to hold the brake for it to start with a jumper or I think you will need to bypass the neutral safety switch. Mine is a 5 speed and I was by myself so I threw a 20a fuse in slot #20 to bypass the clutch safety switch.

rwh63 01-23-2013 07:02 PM

this happened in my Honda, turned out to be the ignition coil (i thought the timing belt snapped).

zeprider25 01-26-2013 05:31 PM

All fuses good. Relays good. Connections good. There's two connections to the starter drenched in oil. Could that be it?

zeprider25 01-26-2013 05:42 PM

Also no clicks from the starter

Bamadan 01-26-2013 06:11 PM

Check the starter/battery wire for fusable link.

zeprider25 01-26-2013 07:24 PM

OK. So something new I found out trying to figure out this whole mess. Car still won't turn over or start.

The BRAKE red light stays on when trying to shift gears with key ON. Goes off when in Park.

I can go from PARK To Neutral then D, 2, and 1. Transmission never engages and it stays in Neutral. Only Park works. Could this be related to it not starting???

I plan on crawling under to see if the cable popped out that shifts the transmission. It's dark now so I will update tommorow.

clint98 01-26-2013 08:50 PM

Check your battery cables, happen too me all gauges work radio lights but wouldn't start bad connection from cable to the battery clamp

zeprider25 02-01-2013 04:11 PM

To update this went to work on it today and battery was almost dying. Lights and gauges worked but radio wouldn't turn on. Going to take the battery to be tested again

Dextreme 02-01-2013 04:32 PM

If it turns out the battery is shot, treat your Jeep to a Diehard Platinum. :thumb:

zeprider25 02-08-2013 08:36 PM

Battery is good. Charged it overnight. 13.1 volts. 1000 output tested at Napa.

With the battery recharged when I turn the key I hear a loud click from the engine area. When I turn it back off from on I hear another loud click. I'm alone so can't really pinpoint the noise.

Any last advice before I roll this thing into the pacific ocean! <:(

c_goodnow 02-08-2013 10:18 PM

Check connections on the starter solenoid. Pretty sure (not 100% but hopefully someone will chime in) that all the power (except for accessories) runs through it, so if a connection on the solenoid fails then not only will your starter not work, but your motor will die as well.

Im not completely sure of that but if nothing else has worked yet...might take a look

quantumracer 02-09-2013 12:04 AM

Three items I would check:

1) main ground wire
2) starter solenoid
3) ignition and relay

Good Luck. I would rather rebuild a motor than trace an electrical problem!

quantumracer 02-11-2013 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quantumracer
Three items I would check:

1) main ground wire
2) starter solenoid
3) ignition and relay

Good Luck. I would rather rebuild a motor than trace an electrical problem!


What's the word on your rig? Did you find the problem?


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