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Vroooom 01-27-2013 09:26 AM

Projector-Beam vs Wide-Eyed
I'm doing my homework on putting more light in front of me.

ONE of the variable I am pondering is "Projector" vs "standard"

I understand the idea of the lens focusinf the light for the "projector" and the reflector focuses the light in the "Standard"....but after that I just get lost in marketing hype.

Does anyone have any real-world experience with comparing the two?

Ideally I am looking to add long-range (narrow) and short range (wide) illumination to help me dodge the deer on my commute.

I knw they make projector driveing lights (narrow) but I dont know if they make projector fog lights (wide) and how they compare to "standard.


Happy trails, ALL

Vroooom 01-28-2013 09:42 AM

Bump for the weekDAY Wranglers

Vroooom 01-28-2013 08:28 PM

Okayyyy.... Bump for the weekNIGHT Wranglers.

KaiserJeep 01-29-2013 08:11 AM

Look, you simply CANNOT put an HID conversion in an existing halogen reflector and get good results. It absolutely is NOT about putting more light on the road. HID bulbs make a tremendous amount of light, but because they are different by nature fron halogen bulbs, when halogen reflectors are converted to HID bulbs, the light pattern is uneven and the brighter spots spoil the night vision of the driver. They also blind oncoming drivers.

This formula will give you great lighting if followed carefully. The first thing you do is upgraded headlights, then foglights, and then reverse lights.

1) Replace the existing sealed beam headlights with aftermarket halogen headlights that use E-Code reflectors. In order of quality from best to worst brands are Cibie, Marchal, Bosch, and Hella. Avoid cheap Asian made reflectors.

2) Upgrade your Jeep headlight wiring with a new wiring harness or (if you know about wiring) install relays that run the lights straight from the battery. Use 12-guage wire if you DIY. Do this BEFORE increasing bulb size.

3) Go to this page and get upgraded H4 bulbs. Susquehanna MotorSports - Auto Performance Products Catalog

I like and use part number HL78159 which has 100w high beams and 85w Low beams. The other alternative if your eyes are age 60 or over is part number HL78142 which is 130w High beam and 90w Low beam. You can also find even brighter bulbs such as 250w/150w but I DON'T reccomend them because they produce too much light and spoil your night vision.

4) Print and use this exact aiming procedure while somebody who is approximately the same weight as you sits in your driver's seat. You MUST get the light cutoff right to avoid blinding oncoming drivers.

1) The stock Jeep foglights are preferred because they are very high quality and will accept 100w bulbs. Or use quality aftermarket foglights - avoid plastic lenses and reflectors in favor of metal reflectors and glass lenses.

2) Upgrade the wiring with a relay and 12-guage wires.

3) Replace the 55w H3 bulb with a 100w H3 bulb. Grind off or cutoff the little tab on the bulb so it goes into the metal socket of the stock foglight. Most aftermarket foglights are 100w or larger - and once again, avoid bulbs brighter than 130w. Also, avoid using multiple pairs of lights unless each pair is aimed in a different direction and the light patterns do not overlap. This is important to preserve night vision because it allows you to see things outside the headlight pattern. With too much brightness, your night visiion switches off and you can only see your light pattern.

4) Remove the stock foglights and notice that there are two holes, there is a tab that goes into the rear hole and forces the aim to be straight ahead. Grind this tab off and re-mount the foglights, turning the aim outwards while monitoring the foglight pattern on a wall so that the lights barely overlap in the center. This gives you a light pattern 30 to 40 degrees wider than stock, real usefull on country roads to pick out animal eyes.

1) Remove the right taillight and attach a small wire to the harness for the reverse light, to operate a 12v relay. Use a cheap pair of aftermarket foglights mounted on the rear bumper as reverse lights. 35w or 55w lights both work well. Power the lights with a 12-guage wire all the way to the battery under the hood. Mount the relay from underneath the right corner of the Jeep in the space with the carbon canister for the fuel tank.

2) Open the taillight assembly with the four small screws in the red lens. Now using shiny aluminum tape carefully line the inside of the taillight to make a reflector that increases the brightness. The tape is the shiny peel-and-stick aluminum duct tape from the hardware store. Cover the black plastic surfaces with the shiny tape and call it done.

1) Mount HID auxilliary offroad lights on windshield mounts. Keep them covered while on the road to avoid tickets. Mount the switch on the dash in a spare switch slot. This is the only case where the 25w to 35w lights can use a switch with no relay.

It is important that you only use the superbright HID lights offroad, and in this case you are trying to produce daylight brightness around your Jeep, especially when rock crawling - you want to see every rock and rut.

Done. You will be astonished at the high performance lighting you now own, with no visible differences to attract thieves.

Vroooom 02-09-2013 08:52 AM

Excellent info...and I couldnt agree more. I share your frustration with people thinking brighter is better and more expensive must be best.

However, I must humbly point out that my question was about "Projector beam vs wide eyes (large parabolic reflector) headlight designs...not about illumination source...more about beam focus technique.

In other words:
Does anyone have first hand knowledge if this GENERAL TYPE of driving light:

Euro Long Range Driving Bumper Halo Angel Eyes Projector LED Fog Light Lamp Kit | eBay
is comparably effective with the standard "wide eyed" driving light (or as I like to call them...gravel deflector shield) like this:
2 Universal 5 inch 4x4 Off Road Dodge Ford Jeep Toyota Chevy Fog Driving Lights | eBay

djwrangler 02-09-2013 09:22 AM

I have yet to see a halogen based projector put out a significantly better light output than a standard reflector housing. IMO and from what I've seen and researched, reflector housings work best with halogen bulbs and a tuned projector works best with the appropriate HID bulb.

Vroooom 02-09-2013 09:32 AM

Now ya see... That right thar is what some folks might call useFULL information.


Informative and it!

Thank you.

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