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TheDesertOutlaw 02-02-2013 05:49 PM

Tomb Raider #815 - 4" buildup from 33" to 35"
 
With all of the JKs tackling 35" tires - some running high gears with minimal lift, I knew the time was ripe for my '03 Tomb Raider to make the change from 33" tires up to 35's. My Rubicon is no longer my Daily Driver, although some weeks I drive my Jeep more than my Pilot.

On the Interco website, I saw that a new 33" TrXus MT weighs in at 63#. On the BFG website, I saw that a new 35" BFG AT/KO weighs in at 53#. This weight is obviously why I have not had any sidewall issues with the Interco tire. But, money being what it is, I'm going with the BFG tire for the time being.

Running my Interco tires back in 2004
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In 2005, doing some 'junkyard wheeling' at Interstate 215/60
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The TrXus MT works great on sand as shown here south of San Felipe during a camping trip in 2010.
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Unfortunately, these tires are now resembling a stack of corn tortillas - now that the meaty lugs have all worn down after 42K mi.:nonono:
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TheDesertOutlaw 02-03-2013 05:23 PM

The culprits - 35" BFGs that will cause me another spending spurt on the Jeep.:whistling:
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Getting some much-needed attention.
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Tires installed, now for a SLOW drive home...:whistling:
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I made it safely, and without losing a tire!
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For those of you who want to know, 4" of suspension lift and 35s DOES NOT allow for adequate suspension uptravel - just like 2.5" of suspension lift and 33s.

35s w/300# worth of tires over the rear axle
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...02357886_n.jpg

Very little space for tire uptravel
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A body lift is DEFINITELY in my Jeeps' future...:thumb: [STAY TUNED]

TheDesertOutlaw 02-10-2013 10:57 AM

After daily driving one week, some things I have noticed are;
  • Braking is a little slower than with heavier TrXus MT tires (33")
  • Acceleration also a bit slower than with 33" TrXus MT tires
  • Overall ride is much smoother than with smaller 33" tires
  • Speedometer reads approx. 5-6 mph slower than actual speed
  • Overall (mixed hwy/city) gasoline consumption has changed very little

Suspension componentry thus far;
4" Pro-Comp lift
1" rear Rubicon Express coil spring spacer
Pro-Comp MX-6 monotube shocks (rear pair valved for hard top application)
JKS Bar Pin Eliminator kit
Shock mounts welded to Dana 44 axle tubes by Four West - Colton, CA

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-f...9/DSC00641.JPG

TheDesertOutlaw 02-14-2013 11:12 PM

WOBBLES! Driving the Jeep yesterday, I got some major Death Wobble on Hwy 74 at ~50 mph. By running 35" tires, I am noticing that my steering componentry requires that I pay better attention to how tightly I torque the bolts and maintain the vehicle in general.

Checking my tire pressure with the old tires
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TheDesertOutlaw 02-18-2013 02:03 PM

New Parts List
  • Rancho RS 5407 Steering Stabilizer (Silver)
  • Explorer Pro-Comp Lower Control Arm Bushing set
  • Daystar 3/4" Front Coil Spacer - #KJ09107BK
  • Inner & Outer Tie Rod Ends
  • Daystar 1" Body Mount/Body Lift Kit

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TheDesertOutlaw 02-18-2013 03:31 PM

After speaking with Explorer Pro-Comp, my coils cannot be warrantied after 9 years of use.:nonono: I was looking forward to getting these changed out due to them being sacked about 3/4" on the passenger side. Good thing I will be running 3/4" coil spacers on the front axle - every little bit helps, right?

EMTJEEP 02-18-2013 04:05 PM

Nice looking jeep!

Where do you go wheeling down in riverside?

TheDesertOutlaw 02-18-2013 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EMTJEEP (Post 3386066)
Nice looking jeep!

Where do you go wheeling down in riverside?

Here is a trail located minutes from Downtown Riverside
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f55/1-2...ne-213326.html

TheDesertOutlaw 02-18-2013 04:55 PM

Two build setbacks - Must be a Monday!:banghead:

4" Coil Springs (turned into 3" coil springs) not warrantied by manufacturer:banghead:

Fender flares for sale on Craigslist turned out to be over-priced :banghead:
Jeep factory fender flairs tj/jk/yj cheap
($75/each - not $75/set as the ad implies):flipoff:

TheDesertOutlaw 02-18-2013 05:18 PM

Can you see the 'sack'? I'm sacked-out with the Jeep leaning to the Passenger side. :nonono:

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...65643538_n.jpg

EMTJEEP 02-18-2013 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDesertOutlaw (Post 3386267)
Here is a trail located minutes from Downtown Riverside
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f55/1-2...ne-213326.html

That seems like a cool spot. Have you ever gone to jawbone? Got a trip planned end of march.

What springs are you running?

TheDesertOutlaw 02-18-2013 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EMTJEEP (Post 3386809)
That seems like a cool spot. Have you ever gone to jawbone? Got a trip planned end of march.

What springs are you running?

I visited Jawbone in '07. Very large area. I have a trip planned to the rocky trails near the Laguna Salada/Mexicali-area of Baja California the last weekend of March.

I have been running Pro-Comp coils since Dec. '03

EMTJEEP 02-18-2013 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDesertOutlaw (Post 3387765)
I visited Jawbone in '07. Very large area. I have a trip planned to the rocky trails near the Laguna Salada/Mexicali-area of Baja California the last weekend of March.

I have been running Pro-Comp coils since Dec. '03

Yeah it's a huge piece of land. Go there a couple times a year.

I think I have my old springs still sitting in the garage. They are 4.5 inch RE coils. If you would be interested.

TheDesertOutlaw 02-18-2013 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EMTJEEP (Post 3387898)
Yeah it's a huge piece of land. Go there a couple times a year.

I think I have my old springs still sitting in the garage. They are 4.5 inch RE coils. If you would be interested.

What would you want for them?

EMTJEEP 02-19-2013 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDesertOutlaw (Post 3388096)
What would you want for them?

Don't know, let me check first to see if I have still have them and we could work something out.

TheDesertOutlaw 02-25-2013 11:46 PM

I complied all of my parts and headed to Mexico on Wednesday for some install work.:punk:

Thursday morning Market
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Install work began Thursday afternoon:dance:
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Installed:
  • Currie 1" Motor Mount Lift:thumb:
  • 1" Daystar Body Lift/Body Mount kit
  • New bolts to lift the stock skidplate into stock location:hide:
  • All new tie rod ends
  • New Control Arm bushings
  • New brakes front/rear
  • 3/4" Coil Spacer lift (front) - negating effects of front bar pin eliminator kit
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...09130768_n.jpg

Alignment followed a wild night in Tijuana:popcorn:
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Wild night:confused:
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TheDesertOutlaw 02-26-2013 09:42 PM

It turns out that the springs were not the problem - my body mount placement was.:doh: With the new body mounts placed correctly, the Jeep sits level.

Before, with a Jeep that leaned to its' side.:facepalm:
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TheDesertOutlaw 02-26-2013 10:27 PM

Back home
 
The Jeep, lights, suspension and body lifts all just fit inside of the garage.:thumb:
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...46689940_n.jpg
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TheDesertOutlaw 03-03-2013 04:20 PM

2013 Tierra del Sol
 
With 35" All-Terrains, I was able to do more than with 33" Mud-Terrains. Go figure!:dance:
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...82767865_n.jpg

I followed this CJ on 39's all day without difficulty.:thumb:
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...67798441_n.jpg

Next on the list are Cro-moly axles, lower gears, adjustable control arms, and, and...

htkrph 03-03-2013 07:33 PM

thats awesome! :D I cant wait to move to san diego!

TheDesertOutlaw 03-03-2013 10:57 PM

Tierra del Sol
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by htkrph (Post 3450292)
thats awesome! :D I cant wait to move to san diego!

Lots and lots of Jeeps in both San Diego and the local deserts. You'll have a great time out here with your Jeep.:wavey:
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TheDesertOutlaw 03-18-2013 11:02 PM

The quest to end my 50 mph shimmy...
 
I went to 4 Wheel Parts in Riverside, CA and got a KILLER DEAL on a Rubicon Express Track bar - $113 out the door price!:thumb:

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4WD Hardware shipped out this Rubicon Express rear pair of swaybar links. Mine are 10 yrs old, and the bushings were completely shot.
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Next, this frontend will lose the 50 mph shimmy it has become notorious for.:whistling:
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TheDesertOutlaw 03-20-2013 11:12 PM

BEFORE
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...25997530_n.jpg

AFTER
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...17707285_n.jpg

WHEEL SPACER
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...44922450_n.jpg

THE INSTALL
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...89672471_n.jpg
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...00742004_n.jpg
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...45991562_n.jpg

The frontend feels way different, now. No binding like with the stock-level track bar. The Jeep feels like it is flexing and crawling - safely, at hwy speeds. Much less jarring ride quality. Next - The Alignment.

Xodius 03-21-2013 03:11 PM

Looking good. Didnt realize there was that much to upgrade to slap 35's on for a TJ. :whistling: JKer here :D
Looks good :thumb:

TheDesertOutlaw 03-23-2013 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xodius (Post 3534392)
Looking good. Didnt realize there was that much to upgrade to slap 35's on for a TJ. :whistling: JKer here :D
Looks good :thumb:

Thanks for the compliment. I am gearing up for a trip to Mexico soon, and the Jeep has to be able to perform AND get my Wife and I back home.

TheDesertOutlaw 03-27-2013 01:56 AM

Shock bar pin replacement
 
I had noticed a clunking noise coming from the rear of the Jeep, and decided to perform an inspection.
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The bar pin (on the right) had been broken for quite some time. It was now time to replace this broken part with a quality JKS Bar Pin Eliminator.
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After the installation, I notice...NO MORE CLUNKING!:thumb:
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...10111676_n.jpg

TheDesertOutlaw 04-30-2013 07:19 PM

The rear shocks were set up for the Baja Trip, and all seemed to be going well...until, I hit the trail.:doh:

Field repair
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My rear shock pin broke and could not be removed. :banghead: So, I had to remove the rear passenger shock and drive the trail like a hobbling pirate for 1 full day.

The Jeep made it, but the rear passenger 35" tire RUBBED against the Bushwacker flares.
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TheDesertOutlaw 04-30-2013 07:26 PM

On the trail, my steering wheel began turning...while I was driving straight down the trail!:surrender: HELP! The drag link sleeve was not tightened when the Jeep had its' alignment! This was fixed in a hurry, but now that's one more thing I need to check after every alignment job.

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TheDesertOutlaw 06-24-2013 12:23 PM

The reoccurring steering problems I was experiencing have gone away thanks to new flange bolts/hardware from AutoZone and nuts/bolts from Home Depot for the front swaybar links. My old hardware had been stripped and would loosen after approximately 100 mi. of driving. Now, I can drive at hwy speeds with much better stability.

Yesterday on the trail in Big Bear, CA
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At mid-stuff, the rear fenders could use some trimming, as they rub the tires when the Jeep is loaded down - like it is here.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...21528001_n.jpg

Owen_TJ 06-25-2013 11:56 AM

ugh, i want 35's sooo bad!!! Just need like 2500 bucks and i'll get them lol
hopefully by november or december...

looks good, man!


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