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YjMopower 10-02-2008 12:06 PM

Frame Removal
 
Hey whats up guys?Iam new to WF and to the wrangler vision.I own a jeep yj 92 when i bought the car in late may this year it was my second car ever buying i never knew anything about a frame, but to make a long story short i bought the car for 2000 and late on the frame broke off on one side so its literally on a slant on one side as if i got a flat.it broke off in late august.i decided to save it.i found out the frame cost 2500 also with some other parts needed about 3000 on quadratec.I just wanted to know what tools will i need to take off the tub and engine etc to transfer on this new frame.i want to do all the work me and a couple of friends.just want to know the tools i need before starting the project.i am using my jeep as a daily driver and for offroad use so any other parts suggestions are helpful thanks.Any help?

scrambler1 10-02-2008 02:55 PM

frame replace
 
for not much more money you could find a clean wrangler with a solid frame and use yours for parts. If the frame is that rusty you have a lot more issues than you have noticed. living in NYC you are located near some decent states to pick one up. Surf the craigslist's and I am sure you can find one. I picked up my 94' from PA with a clean frame and body for $2800.00 or look for a project somone started and did not finish with the frame in good shape. they are out there. Good luck

distortedtj 10-02-2008 03:22 PM

I'm with Scrambler on this you could pick up another YJ for less than that with a good frame and have extra parts.


And post a fullsize pic of your avatar. :D Is it your jeep in it?

Welcome to the forum. :wavey:

HkdOnJP 10-02-2008 03:49 PM

i didnt want to be the first to ask for the pic but yea it would um help us um think of what you could um do about your situation. and i would agree you could pick up another jeep for that price and use yours for parts or sell stuff off of yours to make your cash back.

jpdocdave 10-02-2008 04:09 PM

sorry to say they're probably right. if the frame is that bad, all the body mounts will probably be shot, its probably to late to save it.

but you could find a decent used frame for around $500 usually

as far as the project, it doesn't take many special tools to take the body off, you will need torx bits, big breaker bar, bfh, and pb blaster for yours. the hood, fenders and grill come off seperate, and you'll need a way to hoist the body. i used an engine hoist, i didn't think that would work.

you can check out my build if you like, i'm half way done, just got my frame finished and ready to build suspension, i'm pretty sure there's pics of removing the body. good luck.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f8/yj-build-16980.html

Coyote_94YJ 10-02-2008 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrambler1 (Post 269225)
for not much more money you could find a clean wrangler with a solid frame and use yours for parts.

x2

Quote:

Originally Posted by distortedtj (Post 269235)
And post a fullsize pic of your avatar. :D Is it your jeep in it?

x2

YjMopower 10-02-2008 11:07 PM

Suggestions
 
Hmm all ideas sounds good i was thinking off more going in the direction of buying someone elses project like a rolling chassis or bare frame .I looked around and seen other jeepsters reinforcing there frame, if i was to buy a rolling chassis and wanted to use my jeep also for trails is it recomended. i think my tub is in a okay condition the only thing i notice that was bad is that the floor boards where starting to rot and make small holes but that can be welded.my jeep right now is in quebec,canada at a lot i am going to send more pics i dont really have any ,but from what i remember the most of the skid plates where rotted but i wont be using them anyways beacuse i wont last a second on the trails with that.i also wanted to put a mopar engine in it like a 360 ,i seen sometimes an extra torque could help you out on the trails, am i wroung or right? yea but if anything cant i buy the body mounts from quadratec? thx guys for the advice .http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...87492_6752.jpg ps girlfriends friends

YjMopower 12-03-2008 10:04 PM

Hey whats up guys havent been on in a while ,been working. But anyways i got some pictures of my jeep and frame ,ill soon will get more over the weekend because iam going to Canada unfortuantly its all the way over there and Iam in NY.I wanted to know how can i find out what axels do i have?thx

jpdocdave 12-03-2008 11:31 PM

only dana 35 rear and dana 30 front came from the factory on yj

YjMopower 12-04-2008 01:57 PM

opps forgot the pics<a href="http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/gothicrockerluver/?action=view&current=DSC_1650.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/gothicrockerluver/DSC_1650.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...r/DSC_1649.jpg and thats just one side wait till saturday and you'll see the other.Okay now someone tell me how would i know what is the best axel to get if iam going to do trail-ing and useing it to get around?

distortedtj 12-04-2008 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by YjMopower (Post 288805)
opps forgot the pics..and thats just one side wait till saturday and you'll see the other.Okay now someone tell me how would i know what is the best axel to get if iam going to do trail-ing and useing it to get around?



http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...t=DSC_1650.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...r/DSC_1650.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...r/DSC_1649.jpg


There you go bud.

It either need replaced or fixed. Even to fix it that section will need cut out and replaced.

jpdocdave 12-04-2008 11:29 PM

get that frame fixed before worrying about axles. we need to know your intentions on wheeling, how big do you wanna go? tons of options. you can build your current axles up and handle 33" tires pretty well, wouldn't really get to crazy with lockers in them though. next step is dana 44 axles, most reasonable, and more common. and up from there

YjMopower 12-05-2008 01:18 AM

ight thanks guys for the advice atcually right now iam saving up to get a frame.but i dont think that frame needs to be fixed i personally think its gone,send you guys more pics later.anyways i dont know how to weld ,and i wanted to know whats a rough estimate if someone just reenforced a frame?and other extras like weld ona rollcage onto the frame?thx

flattietj 12-05-2008 05:36 PM

in columbus people are picking up wranglers for less than 500.....dont put your money into that one......use it for parts

YjMopower 01-12-2009 12:13 AM

Hey guys ,Ive been working on this jeep on this 3d program ,just thought you guys would like to take a look .Hopefully it isn't anything against the forums. Tell me what you guys think about it.<a href="http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/gothicrockerluver/?action=view&current=jeep3-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/gothicrockerluver/jeep3-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a><a href="http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/gothicrockerluver/?action=view&current=jeep2-2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/gothicrockerluver/jeep2-2.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a><a href="http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/gothicrockerluver/?action=view&current=jeep-2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/gothicrockerluver/jeep-2.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

distortedtj 01-12-2009 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by YjMopower (Post 306884)
Hey guys ,Ive been working on this jeep on this 3d program ,just thought you guys would like to take a look .Hopefully it isn't anything against the forums. Tell me what you guys think about it.<a href="http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/gothicrockerluver/?action=view&current=jeep3-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/gothicrockerluver/jeep3-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a><a href="http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/gothicrockerluver/?action=view&current=jeep2-2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/gothicrockerluver/jeep2-2.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a><a href="http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/gothicrockerluver/?action=view&current=jeep-2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/gothicrockerluver/jeep-2.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

^^^^ I don't know what you did there but here's your pic......

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...er/jeep3-1.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...ver/jeep-2.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...er/jeep2-2.jpg

YjMopower 01-29-2009 05:43 PM

Hey guys in about two weeks i should start my build, i just needed some info before i start buying stuff.Now
1) when i buy a frame does it matter if i use a frame that had a 4cyl ?i have a 6 cyl.
2)i heard the cj and yj have the same tubs ,so do they have the same frame?
3)When i buy a used one and it has some rust ,if i grind it off and put some of that por 15
is that good enough?or should i get someone to weld more metal to strengthen it?
4) Exactly what tools are needed to swap frames ?I know i need an engine Crane and a breaker bar.But anything else because i have no tools at all.
5)Anyone have tools for sale or frame ?
6) if my body mounts are shot, do i buy new ones?
Lastly any minor upgrades i can do without modifying something else?
Thanks guys.

jpdocdave 01-29-2009 05:56 PM

YjMopower;316123]Hey guys in about two weeks i should start my build, i just needed some info before i start buying stuff.Now

1) when i buy a frame does it matter if i use a frame that had a 4cyl ?i have a 6 cyl. yes and no, the motor mounts will be different, this can be cut and rewelded to fit your application
2)i heard the cj and yj have the same tubs ,so do they have the same frame? no, cj frame was weaker
3)When i buy a used one and it has some rust ,if i grind it off and put some of that por 15is that good enough?or should i get someone to weld more metal to strengthen it? yes it will be fine, as long as there's no rot, they will all be rusty
4) Exactly what tools are needed to swap frames ?I know i need an engine Crane and a breaker bar.But anything else because i have no tools at all. thats a little scary. you'll need good torx bits, metric and standard sockets, pb blaster and tons of regular hand tools.
5)Anyone have tools for sale or frame ? sears and ebay:D
6) if my body mounts are shot, do i buy new ones? absolutely
Lastly any minor upgrades i can do without modifying something else?
Thanks guys. be more specific on that.

YjMopower 01-29-2009 06:28 PM

Well I never done this before so I figure I have no tools ,Upgrades like giving me a lift, I was looking at quadratec stuff they had up to 3inches of for body mounts but i think you would need to modify something at that level maybe the 2 inch?any other upgrade that i can use later on just want something to start off with. Another curious question iam very enthusiastic on starting but on what level of hardness will this be ?any tips, a bought a couple of manuals if that helps.

jpdocdave 01-29-2009 06:58 PM

no 3 inch body lift. i don't like any, but most will say 1" max. its a good little task, the difficulty will be in rust and seized bolts, and just keep track of nuts and bolts, and wiring.

YjMopower 01-29-2009 07:08 PM

Ight well thanks Doc in about two weeks i should be putting up pics once i pick the jeep up.

87YJWrangler 01-29-2009 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpdocdave (Post 316165)
no 3 inch body lift. i don't like any, but most will say 1" max. its a good little task, the difficulty will be in rust and seized bolts, and just keep track of nuts and bolts, and wiring.

Yeah dont loose any they a pain to replace, theres an easy way to get your body off the frame, if you have a engine crane, and are buying new body mounts, Id just cut the bolts and use your engine crane to remove the rest of it

YjMopower 01-29-2009 08:03 PM

OOkay thanks but lost me at the last part do i use the crane to lift the tub off,i was going to buy 4 jacks to hold the tub ,so i could just slide the frame out.I hope thats how it works but yea iam still going to buy the engine crane to swap the tranny and engine to the other frame.

memphismike 01-29-2009 10:00 PM

This has been posted before but it's about the quickest way I have seen to separate a Jeep from it's frame.

YouTube - Jeep lost its top

YjMopower 01-29-2009 10:38 PM

haha gotta try that out thx.

jpdocdave 01-29-2009 10:58 PM

i lifted my tub off with the engine crane. or you could have about 4-6 guys help you out. or jack it up high enough on some tall jack stands and roll the frame out. be careful when you start moving the chassis out, most likely something will still be connected that got overlooked.

YjMopower 01-29-2009 11:22 PM

I was figuring something like that would happen ,so i guess i shouldnt force it .so i would have to get a tall jack not a regular one? btw wheen did you guys first get your first jeep?

YjMopower 01-29-2009 11:55 PM

Another thing i always had this idea of putting the muffler near by the door ,something that resembles a muffler on a tractor trailer, i made this so you guys proably understand what iam talking about http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...ithstacker.jpg Do i use the same catalytic convetor for this ? what kind of pipe-ing size should i get?
btw i think iam going to use these
Performance Accessories 931 - Performance Accessories 1" Body Lift Kit for 87-95 Jeep® Wrangler YJ - Quadratec does anyone know if there any good?

jpdocdave 01-30-2009 08:14 AM

the problem is how loud that is, with the top off, jeeps are already loud enough.

TeeJay 01-30-2009 10:24 AM

Did you get a frame yet?

I've got a YJ frame that's been fully restored with front cage mounts welded on and a ton of other YJ parts I was gonna get rid of.

I'm in michigan, but you can get it for cheap cause I want my garage back.

For starters I'll give you the frame for $350


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