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ratchettt 02-18-2013 11:19 AM

Gforce hip advertises +60 HP and +10% milage. Anyone?
 
JEEP WRANGLER GF Peformance Chip

Seem too good.

termite 02-18-2013 11:20 AM

Snake oil.

Jkfletch7 02-18-2013 01:44 PM

Subscribed

Blastek 02-18-2013 02:02 PM

Look, if they could increase the horsepower and fuel economy without any drawbacks by flipping a couple bits in the code, Jeep would be doing it from the factory.

think about it.

Dick Blonov 02-18-2013 02:07 PM

Linkie!

DB

kik 02-18-2013 02:08 PM

Too good to be true. So, not true.

americonium 02-18-2013 02:09 PM

http://qcwo.com/technicaldomain/iat-...s-vs-real-chip

Here's a good explanation of what's going on here.

ESP 02-18-2013 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blastek (Post 3385524)
Look, if they could increase the horsepower and fuel economy without any drawbacks by flipping a couple bits in the code, Jeep would be doing it from the factory.

think about it.

x2

ratchettt 02-18-2013 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ESP (Post 3385613)
x2

Completely agree. As I said already, seems too good to be true.

ratchettt 02-18-2013 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by americonium (Post 3385548)
IAT Resistor Mods vs Performance Modules vs Real Chips - Technical Domain

Here's a good explanation of what's going on here.


Whowaaaa. Great link. Too much information for a work day.......lol

Strokerswild 02-18-2013 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blastek (Post 3385524)
Look, if they could increase the horsepower and fuel economy without any drawbacks by flipping a couple bits in the code, Jeep would be doing it from the factory.

think about it.

Not necessarily.

Factory ECM tunes are notoriously "safe". That way they are assured of no warranty claims as a result of maybe running on the ragged edge and then someone gets a load of really bad gas and pops an engine. They do what they have to do to ensure their well-being and make emissions and such, all at a price point.

I'd have a hard time believing 60HP though, without other supporting mods (CAI, exhaust).

Blastek 02-18-2013 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strokerswild (Post 3385804)
Not necessarily.

Factory ECM tunes are notoriously "safe". That way they are assured of no warranty claims as a result of maybe running on the ragged edge and then someone gets a load of really bad gas and pops an engine. They do what they have to do to ensure their well-being and make emissions and such, all at a price point.

I'd have a hard time believing 60HP though, without other supporting mods (CAI, exhaust).

the key is "without any drawbacks" :)

hacking the ECU is all fine and dandy to me if you're unlocking factory options or reprogramming stuff to fit your tires, etc. If you're looking for horsepower and economy, it's mostly a waste of time. Especially in a wrangler. Even the real programmers only net you 10-20 hp for the cost of a warranty and any potential issues. mostly for bragging rights. $0.02

Strokerswild 02-18-2013 03:23 PM

Yep.

rethyk 02-18-2013 08:43 PM

figured I'd highlight an important post from one of the linked threads and help people save a bit of time on reading a lot of these articles. if you were still on the fence before the following will most likely enlighten you into not getting one.
Quote:

Originally Posted by TyphoonTrail
An FYI to my Jeep friends (and chip lovers....)

I just recieved a letter from the Deputy District Attorney of the Orange County District Attorney's Office, Consumer Fraud Unit, regarding G Force. They obtained my address from G Force while serving a search warrant during a law enforcement raid/investigation at their facility. I had returned an un-opened G Force chip for a refund - which never came. They found my refund request and returned product.

Included in the DA correspondence was an in-depth questionnaire which made it abundantly clear that G Force was selling nothing of value and simply taking their customers for a ride. The questions clearly indicated that there is no computer software in the chips, they are generic, are not Dyno tested, and do not perform any of the improvements promised. A raid and confiscation of all computers and documentation by the Orange County Consumer Fraud Unit speaks volumes to me as to the authenticity of the company and their products.

With the help of the DA's office, I received credit for my purchase from my cc company. I hope they put these folks out of business - no telling how many people have lost money; or worse, had their auto's damaged by G
Force's Half-Baked Chips. This was my experience with G-Force, others may vary. As always, buyer beware.

Hope this helps.

NFRs2000NYC 02-18-2013 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blastek (Post 3385524)
Look, if they could increase the horsepower and fuel economy without any drawbacks by flipping a couple bits in the code, Jeep would be doing it from the factory.

think about it.

Not a really strong argument. That would mean that all cars would come maxed out from factory and no one would mod them. I agree that you are not getting 30hp out of a chip (on a non turbo vehicle though.)

i82much 02-18-2013 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC (Post 3387535)
Not a really strong argument. That would mean that all cars would come maxed out from factory and no one would mod them. I agree that you are not getting 30hp out of a chip (on a non turbo vehicle though.)

Mmm ... I think it's a pretty good argument if you are starting from a baseline of no hardware changes, just the chip. Not so much that the factory couldn't have theoretically tuned for more power, but given considerations such as durability, octane/driving condition variance, emissions, etc., I think the manufacturer is in the best position to determine the programming for the factory hardware.

That said, I agree the factory tunes are on the "safe side" with respect to emissions and warranty issues.

NFRs2000NYC 02-18-2013 09:26 PM

Listen, an STI with a chip would see 30 WHEEL hp and almost 30 ft/lbs. Subaru could have done it from the factory, but they need to build a certain level of marginal safety to account for bad gas, bad owners, etc etc etc. We agree. Having said that, we also agree that cars CAN be improved from factory using a chip, and they don't come maxed out from factory...they come from factory "safe."

COStrider 02-18-2013 10:00 PM

http://www.ripoffreport.com/car-part...-rip-4c111.htm

NFRs2000NYC 02-18-2013 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by COStrider (Post 3387981)

No surprise there.

COStrider 02-18-2013 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strokerswild

Not necessarily.

Factory ECM tunes are notoriously "safe". That way they are assured of no warranty claims as a result of maybe running on the ragged edge and then someone gets a load of really bad gas and pops an engine. They do what they have to do to ensure their well-being and make emissions and such, all at a price point.

I'd have a hard time believing 60HP though, without other supporting mods (CAI, exhaust).

Oh c'mon. You see the asterisks behind those 60hp and 10% mpg- they are defined at the bottom of the page. Those values where pulled from other vehicles. Any company using these tactics are shady regardless.

joe002 02-18-2013 10:26 PM

Zero meets "GAIN UP TO".

i82much 02-19-2013 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC (Post 3387810)
Listen, an STI with a chip would see 30 WHEEL hp and almost 30 ft/lbs. Subaru could have done it from the factory, but they need to build a certain level of marginal safety to account for bad gas, bad owners, etc etc etc. We agree. Having said that, we also agree that cars CAN be improved from factory using a chip, and they don't come maxed out from factory...they come from factory "safe."

True, true, but turbo, I think, is a different story. Tough to get big HP changes on an NA engine by just tuning timing/fuel curves, especially if you still plan on running regular octane. Shooting from the hip, maybe 10-15 hp on an NA engine. Crazy to think I'd void my warranty for 10-15 hp, but everyone is different. Whether you'd actually have engine problems, chances are pretty slim but ...

GMCYCLE 05-20-2013 06:15 PM

Has anyone actually had first hand experience with the GF Chip in a wrangler?

NFRs2000NYC 05-20-2013 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMCYCLE (Post 3775659)
Has anyone actually had first hand experience with the GF Chip in a wrangler?

No one is going to spend money with a company putting out claims like that.

COStrider 05-20-2013 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rethyk (Post 3387510)
figured I'd highlight an important post from one of the linked threads and help people save a bit of time on reading a lot of these articles. if you were still on the fence before the following will most likely enlighten you into not getting one.

Damn!


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