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ZigZagJKU 03-02-2013 01:38 PM

2.5 inch lift that does NOT require wheel spacers?
 
I've been reading through the various lift threads and it seems like all of the lifts require wheel spacers if you are sticking with stock wheels.

Some people think Teraflex kit might not need spacers, but some folks claim it does:
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/ter...ns-171637.html

Anyone know of a 2.5 inch lift that really doesn't need spacers?

Stock:
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps11c6815d.jpg

-ZigZag

MTH 03-02-2013 01:46 PM

If I recall correctly, the reason spacers are needed are because of the way the rear sway links bolts to the the rear sway bar.

The connection point rests comfortably within the empty space on the backside of your wheel--until you raise the frame 2.5", and it's suddenly very close to making contact with your rear tires.

So I don't think it's really brand specific so much as lots of folks just don't bother with the spacers and choose to cut it really close.

MarcelOrtiz 03-02-2013 01:50 PM

why dont you want spacers? they give the jeep a better look with the stock tires. also IMO i think they look a bit bigger

joe002 03-02-2013 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTH (Post 3444032)
If I recall correctly, the reason spacers are needed are because of the way the rear sway links bolts to the the rear sway bar.

The connection point rests comfortably within the empty space on the backside of your wheel--until you raise the frame 2.5", and it's suddenly very close to making contact with your rear tires.

So I don't think it's really brand specific so much as lots of folks just don't bother with the spacers and choose to cut it really close.

Right. Look at the picture in the link you posted and compare the top of the link with your stock setup.

whiteyjfm 03-02-2013 05:00 PM

If you used the stock wheels you will not need spacers. Me and my friend run the Teraflex 2,5" lift without spacers and have no problem. If you mount wider tires on the stock rims you will need spacers.

Matador 03-02-2013 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiteyjfm (Post 3444694)
If you used the stock wheels you will not need spacers. Me and my friend run the Teraflex 2,5" lift without spacers and have no problem. If you mount wider tires on the stock rims you will need spacers.

Metal cloak doesn't need spacer. In fact when you order their kit it has a drop down option to select if your running more than a 5.5 offset or less this is because if you choose to run your stock wheels they'll send you a spacer for the rear sway bar link.

The_Chief 03-02-2013 05:41 PM

Correct... If you use stock wheels, or AEV's, which are stock backspaced, you don't need spacers... Brand of lift is irrelevant... more so, the brand of wheel.

JTPhoto JK 03-02-2013 06:17 PM

Here is the deal:

If your lift kit has extended rear swaybar links they will rub the tires if you run stock rims without spacers and mount the swaybar links in the factory position.

However, you can mount the swaybar links inboard and run factory rims without spacers.

joe002 03-02-2013 08:45 PM

Right, if you get sway bar links that are the correct length and put them in the stock position and the heads are the same size as stock then they will rub on stock wheels with a 2.5Ē lift. If you donít want them to rub you have to make some kind of change - mount them differently, get smaller links, get thinner links, get spacers, get the correct backspacing, etc.

cornfedksboy 03-02-2013 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Chief
Correct... If you use stock wheels, or AEV's, which are stock backspaced, you don't need spacers... Brand of lift is irrelevant... more so, the brand of wheel.

AEV wheels aren't stock backspaced. AEV is between 4.75 and 5.2 depending on model. Stock is 6.25.

JeffC 03-02-2013 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiteyjfm (Post 3444694)
If you used the stock wheels you will not need spacers. Me and my friend run the Teraflex 2,5" lift without spacers and have no problem. If you mount wider tires on the stock rims you will need spacers.


What about when you air down? The TF kits comes with a warning about needing spacers.

BLK2012 03-03-2013 06:38 AM

Regardless of whether or not it's needed wouldn't the wider stance help with stability?

MTH 03-03-2013 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BLK2012 (Post 3447419)
Regardless of whether or not it's needed wouldn't the wider stance help with stability?

Sure . . . but a spacer on each side only amounts to 3", so it's not like the thing suddenly becomes untippable or anything. But yes.

MistiC NiNja 03-03-2013 07:40 AM

Installed Rock Krawler Stock Mod yesterday, running with my stock wheels/tires until the new set comes in next week.

JTPhoto JK 03-03-2013 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffC

What about when you air down? The TF kits comes with a warning about needing spacers.

Correct, however the new rear links can be mounted inboard. I have installed 4 sets of TF rear swaybar links this way in order to run them with stock wheels until new wheels were purchased.

kgg 03-03-2013 08:03 AM

I just went through a discussion about this elsewhere - in the end I wrote to Teraflex. They confirmed that you need less backspacing with their 2.5" lift because the new swaybar links in the rear can (will?) rub the stock wheels. However, there are also some who have been using this lift with stock wheels without problems. So, officially, Teraflex says don't do it. However, it sounds like you can get away with it in some circumstances.

edit: picture in the link to the other thread really clarifies the problem.

Is reversing the links entirely without problems? Usually, it seems like one change leads to something else that needs to be changed, etc., etc. Not criticizing - just wondering and asking for opinions from experience. Thanks.

ZigZagJKU 03-03-2013 09:15 AM

Thanks for all the responses!

My main reason for asking about the spacers is just $$s. I saw that I could get the Teraflex lift for 2.5 inch for $500 but then realized I would need $200 worth of wheel spacers.

Here is the picture from the other thread:
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...t/IMG_2502.jpg

-ZigZag

RKracing 03-03-2013 09:27 AM

1000's of folks run the high quality Spydertrax spacers and love them. Super great quality and there has been millions of miles that have been recorded in off road conditions using them. When you are finished with them.......just sell them like everyone else. Now Party On! :punk:

frieed 03-03-2013 09:37 AM

When Teraflex installed my 2.5" coil lift they put the swaybar links inboard and nowhere close to rubbing.

JKWrangler2012 03-03-2013 09:52 AM

Can inboard sway bar links, 2.5" lift, and stock wheels and 35" duratracs work without spacers?

JKWrangler2012 03-03-2013 10:13 AM

Sorry to hijack the thread, but getting a lift/wheels/tires -2/3 deposit made.. In two weeks.

If I can run stock wheels AND not need spacers (I.e tire under fenders and remain PA motor vehicle code compliant) I'd be saving money (which I'd spend on gussets and axles) and staying legal without bushwhackers..

35"s...stock wheels...2.5"lift...Inboard sway bar links...No spacers...think it'll work?

frieed 03-03-2013 10:16 AM

Only with stock WIDTH tires, maybe and I think with 35s you need to trim the pinch seams and if a Rubicon, trim the stock sliders

joe002 03-03-2013 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgg (Post 3447587)
...Is reversing the links entirely without problems? Usually, it seems like one change leads to something else that needs to be changed, etc., etc. Not criticizing - just wondering and asking for opinions from experience. Thanks.

Yes, it can cause problems. You do gain some clearance between the sway bar and the wheel, but you lose clearance between the sway bar and the break line. I've seen pictures of bent brake lines...

Also, your sway bar link may not fit in the lower bracket properly to swing as needed (they may have drilled the hole for the bracket off a little). My link would not fit in the inside of the lower bracket without rubbing.

I've see pictures where some put the link in lower bracket on the outside and the upper on the inside. Iím not sure how that works out.

To do it properly I think you need spacers or wheels with the correct backspacing.

JKWrangler2012 03-03-2013 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frieed (Post 3448015)
Only with stock WIDTH tires, maybe and I think with 35s you need to trim the pinch seams and if a Rubicon, trim the stock sliders

Hmmm.. Will the pinch seam need trimmed with 2.5" lift, and 4.5" spacing rugged ridge wheels?

whiteyjfm 03-03-2013 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JKWrangler2012 (Post 3448149)
Hmmm.. Will the pinch seam need trimmed with 2.5" lift, and 4.5" spacing rugged ridge wheels?

For 35" tires, yes. Backspacing got nothing to do with the pinch seam.

river2c 03-03-2013 02:01 PM

If you're running stock control arms, you won't need to trim the pinch seam with 35" tires. If you have shorter than stock aftermarket lower control arms/drive shaft...maybe...depending on tire brand. Normally stepping up to 37s require trimming.


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