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ccain 10-30-2008 04:26 PM

Nightmare...
 
I guess it's appropriate to have a good nightmare this close to Halloween but damn!

OK, so today I tuned up the Sarge. Got a cap, rotor, plugs, wires air filter...etc.

I tuned it up then I went to change the oil. The filter I looked up was wrong. I worked parts WAY to long to look myself up the wrong oil filter. I jotted down the number of the filter that was on the Jeep, borrowed tiny's rig and drove back to the parts store.

When I looked the filter back up, the filter I originally purchased was the one it called for. The filter on the Jeep fits a considerably newer XJ. OK, the Jeep is 21 years old and I can see there being an engine change along the line but it has me a little spooked. I know it's just my imagination running wild because the Jeep does run beautifully but still...

Oh well, on to the next part of the nightmare...

The Evap Emissions system had been bypassed. So, I figured I need to hook it back up due to the fact that I have to have this thing smog tested. So, I hook it all back up and when I start the Jeep I get this insane high idle. I thought it was just my stupidity in hooking it back up. I figured I hooked it up wrong. I checked the repair manual and guess what?! The illustration shows all kind of goodies that should be hooked up that aren't. Vacuum Tees and lines that just don't exist on my Jeep.

So, I guess I have to go to the store and buy a bunch of spaghetti to hook this thing up right. I would rather stick a needle in my eye.

Has anyone else had to rebuild their vacuum system from scratch?

4point 10-30-2008 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ccain (Post 277527)
Has anyone else had to rebuild their vacuum system from scratch?

Sorry, that was not good input.

I have never done vacuum lines on a YJ before. I did it on a 81 Chevy PU once and it wasn't that bad. I had a diagram and all the correct parts.

jgano23 10-30-2008 04:58 PM

holiday inn express. staying at a mere holiday inn is like the equivelant of getting a preschool diploma. staying at a holiday inn express is like graduating summa cum laude from harvard law school. :D

AzTJ 10-30-2008 06:50 PM

I helped a friend with a V6 XJ on his emissions stuff... holy crap! Be prepared to spend some time out there with it.

ccain 10-30-2008 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AzTJ (Post 277568)
I helped a friend with a V6 XJ on his emissions stuff... holy crap! Be prepared to spend some time out there with it.

HEHEHE... Yeah, thats kinda what I expect. Jeez, this is gonna suck.

Using the diagram in the book I made this pic on Paint:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...uumRouting.jpg

I figured I'd post it in case anyone with an early YJ / 2.5 needs a reference.

Anyway... You see all the black and gray? Yeah, I have to build that! :banghead:

4point 10-30-2008 07:23 PM

Are all the line missing? or just rotted/retired in place. When I did this I kept running short (I didn't buy enough) on the amount of lines I purchased. Don't get stingy and some pictures for routing would be handy.

h8nagn 10-30-2008 08:34 PM

I am not sure about your State regulations Cain but here in Maryland I got around the smog because the Jeep is older than 20 years, here I registered my Jeep with HISTORIC tags and therefore no emissions / inspection are required.

ccain 10-30-2008 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 4point (Post 277581)
Are all the line missing? or just rotted/retired in place. When I did this I kept running short (I didn't buy enough) on the amount of lines I purchased. Don't get stingy and some pictures for routing would be handy.

Yeah... Everything is capped off with vacuum caps. I went back to the parts store tonight... I bought a freakin' box of of 65 tees and connectors, a bunch of vacuum hose. Hopefully I can get it all ironed out before the weekend.

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Originally Posted by h8nagn (Post 277606)
I am not sure about your State regulations Cain but here in Maryland I got around the smog because the Jeep is older than 20 years, here I registered my Jeep with HISTORIC tags and therefore no emissions / inspection are required.

Yeah? I'm not sure about the historic plates here. I do know that the reg says if your car needs a smog check if it's more than six years old and made after 1976.
And, when I lived in WV if you had Antique plates you could only drive it on weekends and to and from events. I'd have to check it out. Thanks for the idea.

racer-xerols 10-30-2008 09:39 PM

Maryland has a similar rule - you're not supposed to drive Historic or Street Rod vehicles "daily". No rule about days of the week, or day/night specification.

My answer if it comes up?

"Sorry, officer...my <whatever other vehicle> is in the shop waiting on parts".

AzTJ 10-31-2008 12:12 AM

Or you could register it here at my place Cain, NO EMISSIONS!!! :D

But yeah, look into other forms of registration. Some don't require emissions testing depending on how the vehicle is used... I donno how Cali is about that stuff though.

1BLKJP 10-31-2008 12:27 AM

Hey Chris, you should've just left it all as it was when you got it and had it tested. If it failed then I think there is a program in Ca. that will help you get it fixed correctly with state funds. :D Might as well make Cali work for you for a change. :D

ccain 10-31-2008 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 1BLKJP (Post 277691)
Hey Chris, you should've just left it all as it was when you got it and had it tested. If it failed then I think there is a program in Ca. that will help you get it fixed correctly with state funds. :D Might as well make Cali work for you for a change. :D

Thank you Jack! I had just read about that program. Since I've already got the parts and love to tinker, I'm gonna get underway. But if what I do still doesn't let it pass then I am going to go that route. Nice catch Jack! ;) Thanks again!

h8nagn 10-31-2008 07:28 AM

I pretty much got the Historic tags so that I could run my rig with the true-duel exhaust and not have any CATs, and it would be damn hard to prove that my rig is my DD unless the same cop pulled me over repeatedly.

Good luck whichever way you go.

jgano23 10-31-2008 07:54 AM

i'm thinking about getting historic plates on mine. i want to bypass my catalytic converter what kind of trouble can i get in doing that? once you are registered as a classic car in nj you no longer need to get inspected, so will anyone even find out?

ccain 10-31-2008 02:43 PM

Update:

So, this morning, I started tackling this project. Once I wrapped my head around it, I was amazed at just how simple a task it was.

The diagram was dead on. Once everything was hooked up I held my breath as I turned the key. Bear in mind, yesterday, I had to turn the throttle adjustment WAY back. When she fired up the idle was real low. I adjusted it back up to 1000 rpm and listened to the orchestra that is a Jeep idling perfectly. tiny and I cruised around the complex and the biggest difference (other than how phenomenal the thing runs) is the lack of choking exhaust fumes wafting in the rolled up back window. I'm not kidding, this thing used to run so rich that it choked you and made your eyes water in the garage. Now it's clean burning. And ZERO acceleration was lost to the upgrade. I'm chuffed. I guess I need to make an appointment to get it smogged now and see how it does.

AzTJ 10-31-2008 02:56 PM

Well that is much easier than a GM V6 in an XJ to hook up. :D Plus, we didn't have a complete diagram like that. Good job on getting it running.

ccain 10-31-2008 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AzTJ (Post 277854)
Well that is much easier than a GM V6 in an XJ to hook up. :D Plus, we didn't have a complete diagram like that. Good job on getting it running.

Thanks Az!

I was doing a little digging around today and I confirmed the "Late Model XJ" engine thing which I discussed yesterday.

On the manifold where the firing order is there is a great big "XJ" casting right below it.

So as it stands today... I have an 87 YJ with a 96 XJ engine. Maybe Frankenstein isn't dead after all. :D

1BLKJP 11-02-2008 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ccain (Post 277856)
Thanks Az!

I was doing a little digging around today and I confirmed the "Late Model XJ" engine thing which I discussed yesterday.

On the manifold where the firing order is there is a great big "XJ" casting right below it.

So as it stands today... I have an 87 YJ with a 96 XJ engine. Maybe Frankenstein isn't dead after all. :D

Chris, if that's the case then I don't think you will have any problem what so ever passing CARB. They should only test it based on the emissions equipment for a 1987 motor. If you have everything hooked up from the 96 it should be heads and tails above what's needed.

ccain 11-02-2008 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 1BLKJP (Post 278366)
Chris, if that's the case then I don't think you will have any problem what so ever passing CARB. They should only test it based on the emissions equipment for a 1987 motor. If you have everything hooked up from the 96 it should be heads and tails above what's needed.

Thanks Jack! I do have it hooked up (according to the book) the way a 96 4cyl "Wrangler" is supposed to be hooked up. I don't have a book for the XJ. Everything seems to be operating normally. I'm assuming the the XJ and YJ emissions systems in 96 were either the same or similar. I was shocked that all the components were there. Granted, there were some questionable wire connections at the plugs for some of these components. Kinda looked like whom ever did the engine change either did it in a hurry or wasn't savvy with a pair of wire strippers. I HATE to see wire nuts on ANYTHING automotive! :mad: But, I digress.

Keep your fingers crossed! :D

Felsengleiskette 11-02-2008 01:01 PM

i got kinda this evap problem...im glad yours worked out.


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