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PieFace 03-16-2013 12:22 AM

Pentastar + RIPP SuperCharger = SUPERSTAR?
 
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Yep, Its done.

Only 2 others in existance. Both auto. Ripp's and Rockstar's.

The only 6-Spd RIPP SuperCharged Pentastar JK in the world is in my garage.

I want to thank Ross and the guys from RIPP for all the work. I hung out with them for a few hours, they are all very cool. Same vibe i got at Rock Krawler with Justin and the boys up in NY state. Knowledgable jeep guys, who dont mind explaining the stuff that I didn't understand going in. Im not a mechanic, so sometimes my questions might sound silly, but these guys were happy to explain in detail, not bothered by my entry level understanding of superchargers.

Here are the stats on Black Betty.

12 JKUR
315 Duratracs
2.5 X-Factor Rock Krawler Lift
6 Spd
4.10 Gears.
No Exhaust Mods at this time.

Drove it for the first time today. It is very fast. The boys at ripp installed it, so im going to get more involved explaining the installation later. Suffices to say, the install was done in one day, then the dyno passes began. I'll post the before and after dyno numbers as soon as I dig up the pictures.

Here is the short version so far. Ross from RIPP is pulling my truck off the dyno for a test drive, motions to me to get in. I'm freaking out with delight, as I had tried to stay out of his way for the last hour while he was dialing it in on the dyno. I jump into the passenger seat, ready to fire 1000 questions.

The first question that comes out regarding the prototype supercharger set up. "So do I have to be careful with this thing?" I asked. Ross looks at me with a smirk, and then turns down a deserted alley, "watch this" then floors it. I can hear the WHHIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRR of the SuperCharger spinning. I was knocked back into my seat. He chirped the tires, with a hard shift into second, then to my amazement, CHIRPED THEM AGAIN going into 3rd!

He was showing me that the "Prototype" that I had was not delicate or fragile. He explained that the dyno runs he had been doing for the last 2 days were harder on the system than anything I was going to do to it on the road.

I drove it home on the NJ turnpike where I could open it up, but didnt get too aggressive with it. Ill give you guys my thoughts after I drive it cold tomorrow.

Overall im impressed so far. but ive only driven it a short distance and really haven't gotten on it.....Yet.

PieFace 03-16-2013 12:24 AM

also, im copyrighting the term "SuperStar" for this engine configuration.

lol

Heres a vid from RIPP with their 12 JKUR on the dyno. You can see Black Betty peeking in the window in the background.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOFwGsFDRlM

Pat97tj 03-16-2013 12:27 AM

Dude I chirp my 35s in fifth gear... What's the top speed?

asianhulk 03-16-2013 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PieFace (Post 3509671)
also, im copyrighting the term "SuperStar" for this engine configuration.

lol

Heres a vid from RIPP with their 12 JKUR on the dyno. You can see Black Betty peeking in the window in the background.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOFwGsFDRlM

very cool video, thing sounds awesome with the supercharge whirl! :punk:

overblown 03-16-2013 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pat97tj (Post 3509676)
Dude I chirp my 35s in fifth gear... What's the top speed?

Top speed in a lifted, fat tired wrangler? :rofl: Wrong question. Acceleration wise, the numbers that really matter are 0-60 and 30-70. With that kind of power increase, I bet they are dramatically better.

Awesome rig man! That has got to be a great feeling. Can't wait to hear more about it and see your dyno numbers.

tag 03-16-2013 05:32 AM

That is AWESOME!! Looking forward to more info on overall performance...BTW where did you get your headlights??? Thanks

kbwwolf 03-16-2013 05:37 AM

Nice job, Pie! :punk:

Prediction: you'll get a speeding ticket before the month is out. :D

Binx 03-16-2013 07:08 AM

Dyno, Dyno, Dyno ! Cant wait to see the numbers!

kjeeper10 03-16-2013 07:42 AM

How does this guy do it :p

Strokerswild 03-16-2013 07:49 AM

Sweet....

So I assume from the pics it's a centrifugal blower, like a Vortech or ProCharger?

PieFace 03-16-2013 09:15 AM

Dyno numbers
 
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Ok, Here is a pic of the screen, but the "Tune" isnt done. What I mean by that is that I have numbers, but they are conservative prototype numbers.

This is not the finished product you'd get from Ripp, but i couldnt keep my mouth shut after driving it. Had to share it with the family!

This is all going on with EJS approching, so we were under serious time constraints. I got the truck to RIPP last Monday evening, so they had less than 8 days to install and alpha test the system in the Manual Trans Pentastar, before I had to leave for moab.

So Ross(RIPP) gets his hands on the truck at 5, throws it on the dyno because im pestering him about how i want to show the before and after, etc. He did a "Running Pass" and we got -

BEFORE
215 HP
190 TQ

Yesterday, Before he took me on that test drive after install and a ton of dyno passes -

AFTER - BETA TESTING NUMBERS 1.0 BETA NOT FINAL TUNE
312HP consistantly
270 to 280 TQ

Now, let me remind you, this is halfway through the tune, These are conservative numbers. I have to bring it back on monday so he can finish dialing it in. I insisted on taking it for the weekend because we have a bumper to install, and im only half done with those lights you see.

RIPP hopes for more power than this when we're done.

PieFace 03-16-2013 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Strokerswild (Post 3510159)
Sweet....

So I assume from the pics it's a centrifugal blower, like a Vortech or ProCharger?

Its a vortech

PieFace 03-16-2013 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by overblown (Post 3509859)
Top speed in a lifted, fat tired wrangler? :rofl: Wrong question. Acceleration wise, the numbers that really matter are 0-60 and 30-70. With that kind of power increase, I bet they are dramatically better.

Awesome rig man! That has got to be a great feeling. Can't wait to hear more about it and see your dyno numbers.

Thanks overblown.

Im going to try to do some drag racing with a stock Rubi, thats the only way i can really show the distance, as i didnt do 0-60 tests before,

I should SMOKE it now.

Ross(RIPP) said that the blown 3.8s kept up with hemi's, the "SuperStar" (TM lol) should be a HEMI KILLER.

When im finished with the stock RUBI, im going to have to find a hemi to kill.

Strokerswild 03-16-2013 09:38 AM

Want!

How much will a kit be?

PieFace 03-16-2013 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Strokerswild (Post 3510425)
Want!

How much will a kit be?


Pricing on their site is $5995

Formal Release will be in April. There are a few BETA kits out, JeepLab, Rockstar, few others. We are putting them through the paces and reporting back to RIPP.

2012 2013 Jeep Wrangler JK RIPP Supercharger for 3.6 Pentastar V6 Intercooled

positrak 03-16-2013 09:45 AM

wow! that looks awesome love to see low end numbers on that translated into RL i.e. 0-60 / other, looks like the improved increase max is still high at the end of the range like stock, need to see DD ranges. How's the stock 215 though? All their previous testings showed 180-190 hp at the wheels. Also where it installed hard to see in the pic/vid, looks like down below somewhere? Grab a trinity tuner at a local store (money back refund within 30 days), its got a built in timer for 0-60 plugs in motion detector and stops once you hit 60, most accurate recording around. Take some runs with it for us.

Strokerswild 03-16-2013 09:46 AM

How is the install? What boost pressure?

PieFace 03-16-2013 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by positrak (Post 3510444)
wow! that looks awesome love to see low end numbers on that translated into RL i.e. 0-60 / other, looks like the improved increase max is still high at the end of the range like stock, need to see DD ranges. How's the stock 215 though? All their previous testings showed 180-190 hp at the wheels. Also where it installed hard to see in the pic/vid, looks like down below somewhere? Grab a trinity tuner at a local store (money back refund within 30 days), its got a built in timer for 0-60 plugs in motion detector and stops once you hit 60, most accurate recording around. Take some runs with it for us.

I always got between 215 and 225, (i think) I have to check the AFE thread where i dyno'd their stuff. This truck's BEFORE numbers had the AFE intake, and bigger tires.

DYNO Numbers without SuperCharger
My uncorrected dyno jet numbers from last year on STOCK TIRES 219.9
My uncorrected dyno Jet numbers from last year on STOCK TIRES with AFE Intake - 224.75

The charts are in the AFE thread

positrak 03-16-2013 10:09 AM

take lots of videos while driving it for us, even start ups :)

using what seems to be the most common formula out there @ 30-33% power train loss (what RIPP always refers to)

320 rwhp / say .70 = 457 hp :eek:

nice, I see where they where hinting early on they're seeing hemi numbers.

Key is 0-60 runs if you can do it. off hand stock is anywhere from 6.5-7.7 for 2 door and 8 or under for 4 door. Very very interested to see how drastic the improvement is with this thing.

Jkfletch7 03-16-2013 10:29 AM

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PieFace 03-16-2013 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Strokerswild (Post 3510454)
How is the install? What boost pressure?

Its a one day install. But, your changing injectors, so you want to really pay attention to what your doing and make sure your following the instructions. Save the beer for later.

I dont know the boost pressure, I don't want to post a guess. I will get the exact numbers and tell you.

PieFace 03-16-2013 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by positrak (Post 3510530)
take lots of videos while driving it for us, even start ups :)

using what seems to be the most common formula out there @ 30-33% power train loss (what RIPP always refers to)

320 rwhp / say .70 = 457 hp :eek:

nice, I see where they where hinting early on they're seeing hemi numbers.

Key is 0-60 runs if you can do it. off hand stock is anywhere from 6.5-7.7 for 2 door and 8 or under for 4 door. Very very interested to see how drastic the improvement is with this thing.

I will get that 0-60 thing if RIPP verifies that it wont screw with my tune.

positrak 03-16-2013 10:37 AM

Just graphically you can see an incredible improvement :thumb:

your earlier stock (also corresponds with their earlier stock graph) compared to the SC, say stock 100 hp @ 3000 vs 150 hp @ 3000 SC and stock 150 hp@ 4700 vs 250 hp @ 4700 SC


http://www.wranglerforum.com/attachm...7&d=1329627700



http://www.wranglerforum.com/attachm...9&d=1363443280

positrak 03-16-2013 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PieFace (Post 3510599)
I will get that 0-60 thing if RIPP verifies that it wont screw with my tune.

Doesn't require installing a tune to use it. Plugs in as normal and there are monitoring features including0-60 and 1/4 mile recordings. No actual tuning. Aren't they using it now for this SC? According to all the chatter out there that's been the delay releasing this thing, RIPP and Diablo still fiddling with the tunes for it. If they're close by to you maybe you can borrow it for a day to do some speed timing tests.

PieFace 03-16-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by positrak (Post 3510623)
Doesn't require installing a tune to use it. Plugs in as normal and there are monitoring features including0-60 and 1/4 mile recordings. No actual tuning. Aren't they using it now for this SC? According to all the chatter out there that's been the delay releasing this thing, RIPP and Diablo still fiddling with the tunes for it. If they're close by to you maybe you can borrow it for a day to do some speed timing tests.

Id prefer to do it independent, so there you guys can compare my numbers to theirs if and when they release them. So i like the idea of the thing.

positrak 03-16-2013 10:55 AM

Good idea. Check your local auto parts store for one and swing by today and pick one up. Tons of monitoring features without having to install the tunes which you can find useful specially with this setup. If you do get one, check the thread here on it, it's initially a pain to update the device itself via the internet but once done good to go.

shhr 03-16-2013 11:03 AM

that is awesome, would be nice to have my 10A Rubi supercharged to go along with my supercharged jetski`s. I hope they have a sale when they are ready cant wait to see more info

GeckoJK 03-16-2013 11:11 AM

Does this void the Chrysler warranty on your engine? Seems like they could easily use this to deny a claim. I know you can add aftermarket components and they have to prove it was the cause of the failure. Just seems like it would be easy for them to say this engine was never designed to be supercharged and we are not covering it if there is a drivetrain problem with the engine or transmission.

1Topp 03-16-2013 12:06 PM

:thumb:

PieFace 03-16-2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GeckoJK (Post 3510712)
Does this void the Chrysler warranty on your engine? Seems like they could easily use this to deny a claim. I know you can add aftermarket components and they have to prove it was the cause of the failure. Just seems like it would be easy for them to say this engine was never designed to be supercharged and we are not covering it if there is a drivetrain problem with the engine or transmission.

Here are my feelings about it, not official word from RIPP-

Im not sure if my perception is unique or not, or if the 3.8 is different from the 3.6 in this respect, but I feel like they talk about superchargers as being bolt on and easy to go back to stock. What that means is that you can install this system easily. And for the amount of power vs time to install its VERY EASY. We took longer to install the lift. But the going back to stock isnt so clear. You can change the belt and the truck will drive like stock. Thats true and easy and quick.

But thinking your going to just unbolt the supercharger to bring your truck to the dealer for a problem wouldn't be so easy. This thing is really shoehorned in, and there are places where you need to trim a little to fit the pipes through to the intercooler and the hoses in and out of the supercharger are modded. Also the coolant bottle is replaced.

So if you were to take it out, there would still be evidence that it was there if a mechanic smelled a rat and investigated the engine bay.

At the same time, I researched the hell out of the 3.8 Gen II supercharger kit for complaints and only found one guy with AUTO transmission problems out of over 2200 kits on the road. Ross(RIPP) got his start over a decade ago, when he was working on a mod for a client and installed an after market supercharger (obviously not a RIPP) and wasn't happy with the quality of the product. He is a fanatic about driveability and durability over power.

My truck could make 360 horsepower with this same system calibrated differently, but would drive like crap. The plan is to use the supercharger to mimic a larger displacement engine, not click on like a turbo. Thats why RIPP and diablo have to do 800(kidding, but not really) dyno passes to make it the way they want it.

This is a whole new ball game with new engine, but I couldn't resist the power. Driving it now, I wouldn't give it back and i don't think I'd be able to live without one in the future. Also remember, Im a psychopath about my truck. I wrapped every inch of it in xpel ultimate healing wrap because I never wanted to see a swirlmark in it. I dont accept "its a jeep", F THAT. I expect it to be perfect. Not a scratch not a blemish anywhere, and I wheel hard. I wouldn't have handed my baby over if i hadnt done the reasearch and trusted the people I gave it to. ESPECIALLY FOR BETA TESTING.

That being said, I have no idea about warranty concerns with it. I have the extended warranty on my truck, and unless its clearly a supercharger induced problem, which im not expecting even with an untested prototype, Id bring it to the dealer as is.


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