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dmako 03-24-2013 05:32 PM

Opinions on 430N or not
 
Pricing up a new Wrangler unlimited and trying to decide on sticking with the base 130 radio along with connectivity option. Or opting for the 430N.

The 430N seems a bit pricy, but I want to do things once.

I also also weighing getting the 403N vs. a standalone GPS unit and mounting up on the dash.

Any pro or cons from those who had similar thoughts?

Pro: seamless install
Con: pricey unless I can keep my current deal and get the 430N.
Pro: separate unit can use in other cars.
Con: separate unit can be stolen, wires.

07tungsten 03-24-2013 06:10 PM

I was in your same boat a few months ago. I went with the 430N and I have no regrets! I previously had the 130 and it was fine... But all the features of the 430N is awesome. I love the hard drive to store all the music and the garmin GPS is nice to have. I've done the external garmin route before and it's always a bit of a hassle and then you get jerks that might break in to try to steal it.

Bad_Dog 03-24-2013 06:11 PM

I own a TomTom portable GPS and love it. I've moved it amongst my three vehicles that I own. Traded-in one and bought my JKU.

I originally test drove it with a 430N, but wanted the 130. Reason? Same as you - wasn't thrilled about the cost, and I haven't been impressed with 'built-in GPS' units in other cars. My wife's Outback offered GPS, but it was one of those where almost everything would be on the touch screen and neither of us wanted that. Besides, we own a TomTom.

My dealer didn't want me to order mine (wanted to get the sales on the books for this month and not wait two months) and found a JKU with everything I wanted, but had the 430N. We negotiated and he ate half the cost (instead of 1k invoice, I paid 500).

Since having it, I really enjoy the 430N, just for the radio part. I haven't really used the GPS since I've only had it for two weeks and haven't gone anywhere except to do normal errands, home, work, and visit family. I like the Sirius navigation through the menus, as well as the nice benefit of having a hard drive to store audio!

Yes, I think it's a bit pricey, but if you can negotiate a good, overall deal, then go for it.

To comment on the cons/pros you mentioned... All radios can be stolen. Some are more of a PITA to get out than others. A touch screen does look more appealing over one with knobs. ;-)

panthermark 03-24-2013 09:17 PM

I passed on the 430N and put in a 430rbz instead.

wilmerc76 03-24-2013 09:27 PM

I read on another thread that someone wanted the extra airbags and agreed on a price. They then found that the extra airbags were a part of a supplemental package that came with nav. The dealer ended up eating the cost of the nav.

Doctorsti 03-24-2013 09:32 PM

for $459 you get a similar sized screen, WAY more functionality, theft deterrence with ability to remove the unit, GPS, options for VOIP, a digital personal assistant, if set up correctly a trail/road cam for video recording your adventures, games to pass the time when you are bored and video playback from one of the largest digital video stores in the world (while not driving of course), ability to create a wifi network in your car for all occupants to log onto (throwing in cash for gas and internet of course ;)), and applications that allow keeping tabs on all vehicle functions as well as a great inclinometer app....


Yep get an iPad Mini and mount it up using a pro clip. Go 130N, save tons of cash, and have a much better solution.

woansleftpeg 03-24-2013 09:34 PM

What's the price difference between the two? You might well find that it's cheaper to get the 130 and then replace it with an aftermarket unit, giving you the choice of a whole range of systems and a bunch of functionality on top.

Doctorsti 03-24-2013 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wilmerc76 (Post 3548081)
I read on another thread that someone wanted the extra airbags and agreed on a price. They then found that the extra airbags were a part of a supplemental package that came with nav. The dealer ended up eating the cost of the nav.

never heard of that. Sure that was on a Wrangler, as far as I'm know they are completely separate.

Now if they had a Jeep on the lot that had side airbags but also had the nav but the buyer wasn't willing to pay more for the Jeep due to the Nav, which they didn't want, being in the vehicle I could see them eating the cost of that option.

RustyRus 03-24-2013 09:44 PM

The nav/raidtio features work great. If you want good (good meaning basic decent audio) then forget this unit.

For a great audio performance...this is thing is garbage. If you are lost, it works great.

i82much 03-24-2013 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctorsti (Post 3548115)
for $459 you get a similar sized screen, WAY more functionality, theft deterrence with ability to remove the unit, GPS, options for VOIP, a digital personal assistant, if set up correctly a trail/road cam for video recording your adventures, games to pass the time when you are bored and video playback from one of the largest digital video stores in the world (while not driving of course), ability to create a wifi network in your car for all occupants to log onto (throwing in cash for gas and internet of course ;)), and applications that allow keeping tabs on all vehicle functions as well as a great inclinometer app....


Yep get an iPad Mini and mount it up using a pro clip. Go 130N, save tons of cash, and have a much better solution.

I agree. I have an IPad, Copilot, and GAIA GPS topo maps. Way more flexible than a factory nav.

RustyRus 03-24-2013 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctorsti (Post 3548115)
for $459 you get a similar sized screen, WAY more functionality, theft deterrence with ability to remove the unit, GPS, options for VOIP, a digital personal assistant, if set up correctly a trail/road cam for video recording your adventures, games to pass the time when you are bored and video playback from one of the largest digital video stores in the world (while not driving of course), ability to create a wifi network in your car for all occupants to log onto (throwing in cash for gas and internet of course ;)), and applications that allow keeping tabs on all vehicle functions as well as a great inclinometer app....


Yep get an iPad Mini and mount it up using a pro clip. Go 130N, save tons of cash, and have a much better solution.


How does 4G work in the middle of the desert? That is the biggerst downfall with your plan.

cornfedksboy 03-24-2013 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustyRus
The nav/raidtio features work great. If you want good (good meaning basic decent audio) then forget this unit.

For a great audio performance...this is thing is garbage. If you are lost, it works great.

The audio isn't great, but not is it garbage. I've had varied sound experience with the satellite radio, but when using a good source, I get good sound. It might be that the head unit doesn't process the satellite well, but my buddies Ford has equal sucking on the same satellite stations.

mcdull 03-24-2013 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctorsti (Post 3548115)
for $459 you get a similar sized screen, WAY more functionality, theft deterrence with ability to remove the unit, GPS, options for VOIP, a digital personal assistant, if set up correctly a trail/road cam for video recording your adventures, games to pass the time when you are bored and video playback from one of the largest digital video stores in the world (while not driving of course), ability to create a wifi network in your car for all occupants to log onto (throwing in cash for gas and internet of course ;)), and applications that allow keeping tabs on all vehicle functions as well as a great inclinometer app....


Yep get an iPad Mini and mount it up using a pro clip. Go 130N, save tons of cash, and have a much better solution.

A 7" Android Tablet costs $200 or less and it allows to use pre-saved map when there is no connection, or a $100 gps with also do, just saw a refurbished 7" Magellan at Big Lots with lifetime traffic and map.

I would not just base on the GPS function to pick the 430N or not, it's the whole package include music, voice control and etc and the option to add a rear camera or as a video player later. 430N is fine if you don't want the assle of putting in aftermarket parts later.
Or get the 130 with connectivity group so you will have the mic and steering control and put in an aftermarket HU when needed.

Dave S 03-25-2013 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RustyRus (Post 3548187)
How does 4G work in the middle of the desert? That is the biggerst downfall with your plan.

You don't need 4G if you have one of these: Garmin GLO

Doctorsti 03-25-2013 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustyRus (Post 3548187)
How does 4G work in the middle of the desert? That is the biggerst downfall with your plan.

You can run off of saved maps. I don't go anywhere near deserts so I guess I don't run into that problem too often here in the northeast.

mcdull 03-25-2013 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave S (Post 3548931)
You don't need 4G if you have one of these: Garmin GLO

Nothing actually new about that.
I ran TomTom on my Nokia N93i with Bluetooth GPS receiver 6 years ago.

Lucy Brown 03-25-2013 07:26 AM

Cost is relative. If your going to finance you're really not going to see a big differance in the monthly payment. The 430n works well and I'm pretty happy with mine. Just wish is sounded better but it's not bad. The only really bad thing is how bad the SAT sounds. CD's and my ipod sound pretty good and the NAV works well. It's just a pain that you cant imput info into the nav while you are moving.

Moabite 03-25-2013 09:01 AM

If you plan to take the jeep off-road, the OEM nav units are virtually worthless. You would be better off with a good Garmin trail GPS like the Montana 600 that accepts satellite imagery and genuine USGS topo maps. RAM makes vehicle mounts for it.

Bad_Dog 03-25-2013 09:36 AM

To touch on the comments about Satellite radio's sound... Even though Sirius and XM have merged, they still use two, completely different technologies. I work in the broadcast industry and I'm and audio-phile. I can listen to an MP3 file and tell you what compression it is (great party trick)

With that said, I've compared XM and Sirius units and of the two, XM sounds 'better'. They both employ digital compression, but since they're different compression, and each using a different codec, the sound is different. With Sirius, I've listened to three different units over the past few years and though the HUs are different, they still have the same sound - it's not the unit. I can hear the compression more on Sirius than on XM.

I upgraded my Sirius trial to add Sirius premiere, because I like MLB and another channel that was only on XM. I've listened to the same stations on XM, which I have in my other two cars, and Sirius, and the sound coming from Sirius, for the same channels, hurts my ears. For a true audio test, pop in a CD - there's no compression.

To go back to the OP's question... if you want something to get you by so that you can later upgrade to an aftermarket setup, then go with the 130. No point in spending money that you're going to throw out when you go with an aftermarket solution. If you don't want aftermarket, or want to deal with changing out the HU, upgrading the amps and/or speakers, then go with what you want... 130 or 430. IMHO, the 730 costs WAY too much and there are several threads about how buggy it is.

If you plan on going off-roading and want to make use of features like bread crumbs, track your drive, etc, then an aftermarket GPS will be your best bet.

spartanlaw 03-25-2013 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcdull (Post 3548219)
A 7" Android Tablet costs $200 or less and it allows to use pre-saved map when there is no connection, or a $100 gps with also do, just saw a refurbished 7" Magellan at Big Lots with lifetime traffic and map.

I would not just base on the GPS function to pick the 430N or not, it's the whole package include music, voice control and etc and the option to add a rear camera or as a video player later. 430N is fine if you don't want the assle of putting in aftermarket parts later.
Or get the 130 with connectivity group so you will have the mic and steering control and put in an aftermarket HU when needed.

I've been thinking of doing your last suggestion -- getting the 130 with the connectivity group. If I am going to install an aftermarket HU six months down the road is this the best option? Or, should I just forget about the connectivity group altogether? Will the connectivity group work with an aftermarket HU? Do the Alpine speakers sound better with an aftermarket HU?

Ali032373 03-25-2013 10:28 AM

I'll add my 2 cents. I recently got a jk with the 430n and I've been pretty pleased. Is it perfect" no. The sound is ok, but not great. But I love the whole idea of burning stuff onto a hard drive that's actually pretty big. Also I like how the gps lowers the radio volume when giving voice instructions. Don't know if others do that but it's an advantage of having 1 integrated system.

jwr50 03-25-2013 10:34 AM

I have a 2013 JKUR with the 430N, and I've been very pleased both with the NAV and the radio.

wilmerc76 03-25-2013 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctorsti (Post 3548123)

never heard of that. Sure that was on a Wrangler, as far as I'm know they are completely separate.

Now if they had a Jeep on the lot that had side airbags but also had the nav but the buyer wasn't willing to pay more for the Jeep due to the Nav, which they didn't want, being in the vehicle I could see them eating the cost of that option.

Maybe that was it. Can't find the thread I saw it on. Sounds more correct.

wilmerc76 03-25-2013 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by i82much (Post 3548176)

I agree. I have an IPad, Copilot, and GAIA GPS topo maps. Way more flexible than a factory nav.

So the iPad has to be 3/4g enabled?

offroadjeep_yj 03-25-2013 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucy Brown (Post 3549195)
Cost is relative. If your going to finance you're really not going to see a big differance in the monthly payment. The 430n works well and I'm pretty happy with mine. Just wish is sounded better but it's not bad. The only really bad thing is how bad the SAT sounds. CD's and my ipod sound pretty good and the NAV works well. It's just a pain that you cant imput info into the nav while you are moving.

I found out that you can buy a device called lockpick that looks to be a plug-n-play for the 430N and allows you to bypass the safety features which blocks the use of navi while moving. Also allows the use of the DVD player while in motion, and if I'm not mistaken comes with a iPod/iPhone hook up so you can stream net flicks and Hulu or play movie from your device. But to the OP I just bought a 2013 JKUR and have the 430N and love it so far. The satellite radio does seem a tad muffled sounding though.

wilmerc76 03-25-2013 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy Brown (Post 3549195)
Cost is relative. If your going to finance you're really not going to see a big differance in the monthly payment. The 430n works well and I'm pretty happy with mine. Just wish is sounded better but it's not bad. The only really bad thing is how bad the SAT sounds. CD's and my ipod sound pretty good and the NAV works well. It's just a pain that you cant imput info into the nav while you are moving.

There is an American company called navtool that allows you to connect an interface so you can use the GPS in motion, allow for a camera and watch DVDs while in motion.

panthermark 03-25-2013 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy Brown (Post 3549195)
Cost is relative. If your going to finance you're really not going to see a big differance in the monthly payment. The 430n works well and I'm pretty happy with mine. Just wish is sounded better but it's not bad. The only really bad thing is how bad the SAT sounds. CD's and my ipod sound pretty good and the NAV works well. It's just a pain that you cant imput info into the nav while you are moving.

I didn't finance, so after even at below invoice pricing, once tax was added back in, it was close to $1,000 to include a 430N.

For me, that $1,000 was much better spent on a 430rbz ($260 shipped) and four 77Kick10's ($140 shipped), polyfil (free...my wife had some) and eventually Lockpick. I just use my cell phone.

But I do understand how nice it would be to have the map on a larger screen.

spartanlaw 03-25-2013 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spartanlaw (Post 3549729)
I've been thinking of doing your last suggestion -- getting the 130 with the connectivity group. If I am going to install an aftermarket HU six months down the road is this the best option? Or, should I just forget about the connectivity group altogether? Will the connectivity group work with an aftermarket HU? Do the Alpine speakers sound better with an aftermarket HU?

Any takers?

Cole Trickle 03-25-2013 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwr50 (Post 3549831)
I have a 2013 JKUR with the 430N, and I've been very pleased both with the NAV and the radio.

x2...

I'm happy I went with the 430n.

Like mentioned the sound is 100x better with a cd or even Ipod vs. sirus

panthermark 03-25-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by spartanlaw (Post 3550150)
Any takers?

No one can really answer if it is worth it to you or not.

If you are getting a base system and you know you are going to tear everything out, and you don't want the EVIC or whatever else comes with that package...you can save your cash and apply it to the new HU with BT.

If you are not sure what you will do 6 months down the line...get it. Better to have it and not use/need it, than to not have it.

I'm not sure if the factory mic in the Connectivity package and be used with an aftermarket HU or not.

The stock Alpine speakers do not have real tweeters and are 2 ohms...you are better off replacing those with real amp and 4 ohm speakers....and if you are doing that, you should replace the HU as well....which is why so many recommend tearing the whole thing out if you want a real upgrade.


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