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MudRunner 04-04-2013 09:10 PM

Poison Spyder RockBrawler II
 
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Just figured I'd share that the new PSC rear bumper/ tire carrier was released today. I know that some of you were interested in it, so here is the link :thumb:

Jeep Wrangler JK RearBumper | JK RockBrawler II Rear Bumper with Tire Carrier | Poison Spyder Customs

Looks good!

Spyder1049 04-05-2013 05:22 AM

Sexy

HunterTheBeagle 04-05-2013 05:55 AM

"IMPORTANT: The integrated hitch receiver is not rated for towing. It is intended as a recovery attachment point only." :facepalm: bummer!

Cosmic Charlie 04-05-2013 06:25 AM

It's very pretty...and pretty expensive...and pretty lame about the hitch.

Jibba 04-05-2013 11:21 AM

Looks good, but looks heavy. And agree thats lame about the hitch.

Texas_Jeep 04-05-2013 01:32 PM

That sucks. I just received my PSC bumper last week. I wish I would have know, I would have waited

Crashthings 04-05-2013 02:29 PM

Very nice looking! But I won't buy one if I can't tow with it. They need to make it with a real hitch. The price is higher than I would like, but you also don't have to buy a TF HD Hinged carrier. But without being able to tow, it's not worth anything.

MikeK46 04-05-2013 02:59 PM

I'm surprised they don't give you the option to delete the tow hitch so that you can use the factory hitch.

Cole Trickle 04-05-2013 03:31 PM

its hard to make everyone happy...

Its a very nice product and the "hitch" is alot higher than the factory hitch would be to provide better angles when offroading.

Its exactly what I have been waiting for. The hitch is probably 3 x stronger then the mass produced junk that came on our jeeps.

I completely understand ps protecting themselves from sue happy buyers with there disclaimer. someone will hook up a 5K pound trailer with no distribution hitch to there lifted jk on 37's and be upset when they wad up there rig and try and point fingers and get a lawyer that will sue.

Cole Trickle 04-05-2013 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeK46 (Post 3598991)
I'm surprised they don't give you the option to delete the tow hitch so that you can use the factory hitch.

I dont think it would work with the factory hitch the way it was designed:)

NFRs2000NYC 04-05-2013 03:48 PM

Eh, looks cool but weighs a ton, and there is absolutely no reason for a rear bumper to weight anything CLOSE to what all these bumpers weight. I'll stick with the EXP1 Aluminum rear bumper coming out in the summer. Lugging around 200lbs is completely unnecessary. To each their own.

connorcrush 04-05-2013 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC (Post 3599145)
Eh, looks cool but weighs a ton, and there is absolutely no reason for a rear bumper to weight anything CLOSE to what all these bumpers weight. I'll stick with the EXP1 Aluminum rear bumper coming out in the summer. Lugging around 200lbs is completely unnecessary. To each their own.


This.
As much as I would love to have a nice looking bumper like this, I can't justify having all that weight back there. If I had to add that much weight I'd want in more towards the middle of the Jeep, above the axles, not on the back.
I'd rather have an aluminum one like the one Nemesis showed at SEMA

Thing looks great though.

HunterTheBeagle 04-05-2013 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cole Trickle (Post 3599092)
its hard to make everyone happy...

Its a very nice product and the "hitch" is alot higher than the factory hitch would be to provide better angles when offroading.

Its exactly what I have been waiting for. The hitch is probably 3 x stronger then the mass produced junk that came on our jeeps.

I completely understand ps protecting themselves from sue happy buyers with there disclaimer. someone will hook up a 5K pound trailer with no distribution hitch to there lifted jk on 37's and be upset when they wad up there rig and try and point fingers and get a lawyer that will sue.

If the issue was they are afraid of being sued for people towing over the rating then why don't they put a limit on it like Ace does? I think the issue is that its not suitable to tow with like poison spyder said. That being said, I agree with Mike I think the option of a cutout for the factory hitch would solve the issue.

connorcrush 04-05-2013 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterTheBeagle (Post 3599481)
If the issue was they are afraid of being sued for people towing over the rating then why don't they put a limit on it like Ace does? I think the issue is that its not suitable to tow with like poison spyder said. That being said, I agree with Mike I think the option of a cutout for the factory hitch would solve the issue.

On another forum, Dusty stated "In case you want to tow with it, at your own risk. We believe its actually stronger than the stock hitch. But we haven't gone through the steps to have the tow rating done on it yet, so technically and for liability reasons we can't specifically call it a tow hitch."

phillypete 04-05-2013 05:56 PM

So this would probably be OK for pedestrian things like a cargo rack full of beach gear, or a bike rack?

HunterTheBeagle 04-05-2013 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by connorcrush (Post 3599511)

On another forum, Dusty stated "In case you want to tow with it, at your own risk. We believe its actually stronger than the stock hitch. But we haven't gone through the steps to have the tow rating done on it yet, so technically and for liability reasons we can't specifically call it a tow hitch."

Hmm... Interesting I would think they are losing customers by not going thru the steps to have it rated, but sounds like they may be working on it, I hope so anyhow.

HunterTheBeagle 04-05-2013 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by phillypete (Post 3599521)
So this would probably be OK for pedestrian things like a cargo rack full of beach gear, or a bike rack?

I can't say for sure, but I would bet of its safe for recovery purposes than it would be just fine for a rack or a couple bikes. But I'm not a poison spyder rep or anything.

Cole Trickle 04-05-2013 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterTheBeagle (Post 3599481)
If the issue was they are afraid of being sued for people towing over the rating then why don't they put a limit on it like Ace does? I think the issue is that its not suitable to tow with like poison spyder said. That being said, I agree with Mike I think the option of a cutout for the factory hitch would solve the issue.

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Originally Posted by HunterTheBeagle (Post 3599526)
Hmm... Interesting I would think they are losing customers by not going thru the steps to have it rated, but sounds like they may be working on it, I hope so anyhow.

Having 2 part numbers or jigs might be a bigger hassel than they want to deal with...They have a big product line and lots of choices.

Look at the quality of the components and the thickness of the metal. There is no doubt in my mind that both PS and ACE make a product that would be capable of handling the factory jk towing ability.

Personally as a business owner I understand that the cost to get something tested and guaranteed by the state of california would easliy out weigh the potential of lost business.......

Basically they would have to wrap that cost into a product that people already think is exspensive compared to some lessor made products that are produced over seas. The JK market while decent isn't going to justify the cost of the testing imho.

Lowerumble 04-05-2013 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC (Post 3599145)
Eh, looks cool but weighs a ton, and there is absolutely no reason for a rear bumper to weight anything CLOSE to what all these bumpers weight. I'll stick with the EXP1 Aluminum rear bumper coming out in the summer. Lugging around 200lbs is completely unnecessary. To each their own.

What is the new rear like? Any links or pics?

NFRs2000NYC 04-06-2013 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lowerumble (Post 3600588)

What is the new rear like? Any links or pics?

It looks exactly the same as their current bumper only the total weight of bumper and tire carrier is 70lbs.....that's basically what the OEM stuff weighs.

DTS 04-08-2013 11:24 AM

Hey guys, I just saw this thread. About the tow rating or lack thereof...

Its not that you CAN'T tow with this thing, or that its not strong enough, etc. In fact its built to be stronger than the stock hitch, and we believe it is, based on the design, materials, how its integrated into the 3/16" plate steel bumper that more effectively distributes the load across the frame, etc. But the issue is simply one of regulatory red tape and liability. We simply can not advertise a "tow rating" for it without having the actual, official, testing and rating done by the independent labs who do that sort of thing. While I'm not that familiar with the entire process personally because that's not my department, I do know its an expensive, time-consuming and rather complicated process that takes most small to medium sized manufacturers like us out of the picture. When you only make a couple dozen of something at a time its harder to spread the costs out versus making something by the hundreds at a time. We're not quite there yet but we hope to be soon. Until then, for those of you who absolutely have to have the government rating sticker on it, well we can't blame you if you have to choose a different product that already has that on it. That's just more incentive for us to try and get it done for our own bumpers as soon as possible.

If you're familiar with our original RockBrawler rear bumper, which is still being produced and is available for those who prefer it, it is built like some have suggested in this thread: no integrated hitch, and designed to allow retention of the stock hitch if desired. The hitch was added to the RockBrawler II mostly due to customer feedback, from those who wanted a hitch higher up and out of the rocks. Unfortunately, because of the way the hitch is integrated into the design, it wouldn't be that simple to just offer a hitch-less version that accommodates the stock hitch. And we already have the original RockBrawler rear bumper that has that (but unfortunately is not available with this style tire carrier). We've found its nearly impossible to build the one product that is perfect for every person LOL...

At any rate, thanks for all your feedback. Feedback is what shaped this bumper, and what will determine its future and any further mods or improvements.

flomingo 05-22-2013 03:11 PM

So has anyone tried towing with the Rockbrawler II? I like the idea of the integrated tow hitch I just wanna do a little more research before pulling the trigger on the Rockbrawler II instead of the regular Rockbrawler.

rundm 05-22-2013 11:14 PM

After buying and using the front bumper from PS, If they said it was as good or better than a stock hitch, I would have no problems believing them. The only problem I have with this bumper is the cost of it. I know it will be made extremely well but I don't have the funds to buy this and then also have it powder coated.


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