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MountainairMuse 04-05-2013 05:46 PM

Lift Advice is Welcomed Here
 
Hello!

I have a 2012 Silver Rubicon JK. It is my every day vehicle. I do some off-roading and get into the mud during mud season here in New Mexico. No rock crawling.


I am thinking about a 2.5 lift with 35's on 17x9 inch wheels. A well known retailer is running a special this month.


I like the visability of being higher up(former H2 and F150 owner), but don't want to compromise the street ride or significantly diminish the off road capabilities.


The kit comes with Rubicon Express Budget Spacers, Pro Comp ES 3000's Pro Comp 7036 Wheels, and Pro Comp Extreme All Terrain 35's.


Thoughts, pics, feedback all very much appreciated.


Thx

ThingsAbove 04-06-2013 07:14 AM

I also visited the "well known retailer" yesterday and found out about the deal. I couldn't find any information about the 2.5" spacer lift based on the Rubicon Express part numbers on their website or in their catalog. But I did locate an announcement from Rubicon Express announcing the lift. In the announcement they claim that it works for 35" tires although normally a 2.5" would not be enough for 35s so I'm a bit skeptical.

I like the wheels they are using in the deal but I've personally never really cared for the way the ProComp extreme A/Ts look.

The price is excellent because they are basically discounting all the labor to zero but I think that if you planned to do any off-roading then the lift would be the limiting factor.

If you just want to sit up higher on the road for street driving then it is probably the least expensive way to get the Jeep lifted with 35s.

alabamajeep 04-06-2013 07:44 AM

I would honestly look into a coil lift. I started out with the Teraflex Performace leveling kit but within 1000 miles I was upgrading the the Rock Krawler Max Travel kit. Do it right the first time or it will end up costing you more in the long run.

alabamajeep 04-06-2013 07:46 AM

Oh and as far as ride, it's better then stock and that's with some of the stiffer shocks on the market(Fox 2.0's)

michiganadam 04-06-2013 07:55 AM

Youre inviting the death wobble demons. Keep that trackbar torqued.

My jeep rides great on 2.5 inches of lift. A little rough but you need a stiff suspension to have fun. Ive had some death wobble problems and lifts definitely invite that demon in.

Lift kits will damage the sides of your seats as well...from getting in and out... i definitely reccomend rock sliders with a step on them to help get in. Even with stock size tires on my jeep, the door sills are at knee level which is kinda ridiculous. But cool.

JTPhoto JK 04-06-2013 08:14 AM

All 2.5" kits that come with bumpstop extensions will be more the adequate for 35" tires. 35" can be run on stock suspension with flat fenders.

My preference is either the TeraFlex 2.5" complete Budget Boost which will retain factory ride or the TeraFlex 2.5" spring lift which will ride a bit stiffer.

Jeeper4ever 04-06-2013 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by michiganadam (Post 3601451)
Youre inviting the death wobble demons. Keep that trackbar torqued.

My jeep rides great on 2.5 inches of lift. A little rough but you need a stiff suspension to have fun. Ive had some death wobble problems and lifts definitely invite that demon in.

Lift kits will damage the sides of your seats as well...from getting in and out... i definitely reccomend rock sliders with a step on them to help get in. Even with stock size tires on my jeep, the door sills are at knee level which is kinda ridiculous. But cool.

2 urban legends. Lifts don't cause death wobble and you don't need a stiff suspension to have fun.

They are hard on the sides of your seat though!

JEEPDON 04-06-2013 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ThingsAbove (Post 3601394)
normally a 2.5" would not be enough for 35s .

?????????????
Here is a 2 1/2" lift and flatties with 37's
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/...v/IMG_0876.jpg
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/...v/DSCN0913.jpg
And there are quite a few others on here that are running a similar setup.

Tweak 04-06-2013 01:14 PM

learn from my mistake. when you pull out those 14mm bolts you can absolutely NOT put them back on your jeep. go buy some fine thread grade 8 9/16 bolts at tractor supply. no need to spend $80 at quadratec for their kit. this is the #1 cause of wobble and steering issues.

get a spring lift, the RK 3.5 flex is only $1300 but I paid much less from AOR here on this forum. spacers are a waste of money if you wheel your jeep, you are just going to install a spring lift and pull those spacers out!

RKracing 04-06-2013 01:21 PM

Spacer lift = most do not like it.
2.5" lift is GREAT for 35" tires.
Bottom line = Teraflex 2.5 coil lift....about $450 with shock extensions

MountainairMuse 04-06-2013 02:17 PM

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First of all I want to thank everyone for their responses! I am new the forum and appreciate the candid feedback. It is very helpful to hear from people that have gone through this process.

Next question (s) will a 2.5 Terraflex Spring lift system accommodate 12 inch wide 33's? Will I need to change out the factory wheels if I go with that tire width?

Also, do I need to get exhaust spacers for a 2012 Rubicon JK with a 2.5 terraflex spring lift?

Thanks all and have a splendid day.

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RKracing 04-06-2013 02:44 PM

LOT'S....like... quadbillionzillions of people mount 35" and 37" tires on stock wheels with spacers.

khickeyman 04-06-2013 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MountainairMuse (Post 3602520)
First of all I want to thank everyone for their responses! I am new the forum and appreciate the candid feedback. It is very helpful to hear from people that have gone through this process.

Next question (s) will a 2.5 Terraflex Spring lift system accommodate 12 inch wide 33's? Will I need to change out the factory wheels if I go with that tire width?

Also, do I need to get exhaust spacers for a 2012 Rubicon JK with a 2.5 terraflex spring lift?

Thanks all and have a splendid day.

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Just Installed this lift 2 days ago on my 2012 you will need wheel spacers if you run your stock wheels ,Im running 1 1/2" spacers on my stock wheels for now. I've heard differant stories on the exhaust spacers I have alot of room with my exhaust so I didnt need them.

HK_Runner 04-06-2013 07:50 PM

Get a good coil lift. I'm getting the Rock Krawler 2.5 X Factor, and installing 35s. I am going to get it done by an experienced installer and weld on the rear trackbar. I hope to not have any wobble issues.

michiganadam 04-06-2013 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeeper4ever (Post 3601513)
2 urban legends. Lifts don't cause death wobble and you don't need a stiff suspension to have fun.

They are hard on the sides of your seat though!

I disagree completely.

First of all, lifts don't "cause" death wobble. I didn't say that. They put additional pressure on trackbar bushings. That's why the axle moves sideways when lifted, and that's why adjustable trackbars exist. You don't think an excessive load on a critical bushing beyond design intentions will make it wear out faster? I am, however, not questioning that stock jeeps can have death wobble as well.

And I completely disagree. I would much prefer a stiff suspension on any vehicle. On sports cars, they handle corners much better. On jeeps they're harder to bottom out, and handle corners better. :P But that's purely an opinion.

jrussblues 04-06-2013 08:55 PM

I have heard quite a few complaints about spacer lifts due to the harsh ride.

You will need wheel spacers to keep factory wheels with wider tire and with the lift. Can't remember the issue but something rubs on the back.

Tera kits are more complete than re kits, they include provisions for the sway bar end links.

9550's ride very nice and soft, fox shocks firm things up a bit but absorb the jolts much better. Factory shocks are garbage.

If you don't plan to offroad you will likely never have to worry about the exhaust spacer issue. If you plan on wheeling it you will probably have to worry about the spacer.

kjeeper10 04-06-2013 10:12 PM

A spacer on top the coil is not going to make a significant change in ride. It's all in the shocks.

JeffC 04-06-2013 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JTPhoto JK (Post 3601499)
My preference is either the TeraFlex 2.5" complete Budget Boost which will retain factory ride or the TeraFlex 2.5" spring lift which will ride a bit stiffer.

:thumb: Did it ... love it

noobified 04-06-2013 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MountainairMuse (Post 3602520)

Next question (s) will a 2.5 Terraflex Spring lift system accommodate 12 inch wide 33's? Will I need to change out the factory wheels if I go with that tire width?

Yes, you can put those tires, but you might as well go with 35's. You can put either sized tire on your factory wheels, though you will need wheel spacers.

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Originally Posted by MountainairMuse (Post 3602520)

Also, do I need to get exhaust spacers for a 2012 Rubicon JK with a 2.5 terraflex spring lift?

No, you won't need exhaust spacers with that lift.

jrussblues 04-06-2013 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JTPhoto JK (Post 3601499)
All 2.5" kits that come with bumpstop extensions will be more the adequate for 35" tires. 35" can be run on stock suspension with flat fenders.

My preference is either the TeraFlex 2.5" complete Budget Boost which will retain factory ride or the TeraFlex 2.5" spring lift which will ride a bit stiffer.

The teraflex 2.5 with shocks is much much much less stiff than factory.

MountainairMuse 04-08-2013 10:40 AM

Thanks for all the pics and feedback. Coming down the home stretch on decision making and have a couple of more questions. The set up I am narrowing down to is the following:

1). Teraflex 2.5 suspension kit. http://internationalboardofhypnotherapy.com/locate.html

2). Bilstein 5100 shocks

3). Stock wheels with 33" 10-11.5 inch wide tires.
I am hesitant to go to 35's for reasons of reduction in gas mileage and handling. This is my every day vehicle.

Can anyone provide me with all terrain recommendations. I am not sure which measurement indicates the tire width.

At what point do I need wheel spacers for the set up above?

Also, do I need adapters with the set up above if I get the Bilstein shocks?

Thanks!

Christian

kjeeper10 04-08-2013 11:07 AM

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Duratrac hands down. Here is Qt's tire chart.

Tweak 04-08-2013 12:23 PM

get the exhaust spacer. I have spacers in with a 3.5 and my driveshaft boot is torn from the exhaust. better safe than sorry but you dont NEED it.

they are a pain in the butt to install though. I had to run a ratchet strap from my rear bumper to my Y-Pipe to pull it back far enough to get it on.

COLOUJK 04-08-2013 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MountainairMuse (Post 3602520)
First of all I want to thank everyone for their responses! I am new the forum and appreciate the candid feedback. It is very helpful to hear from people that have gone through this process.

Next question (s) will a 2.5 Terraflex Spring lift system accommodate 12 inch wide 33's? Will I need to change out the factory wheels if I go with that tire width?

Also, do I need to get exhaust spacers for a 2012 Rubicon JK with a 2.5 terraflex spring lift?

Thanks all and have a splendid day.


If you do 12.5" tires on the stock wheels there are many companies out there (Discount Tire/America's Tire included) That will not mount the tire to the wheel because of safety concerns. There are people that run them just fine, but shops can and do refuse installing that combination.

jrussblues 04-08-2013 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MountainairMuse (Post 3609079)
Thanks for all the pics and feedback. Coming down the home stretch on decision making and have a couple of more questions. The set up I am narrowing down to is the following:

1). Teraflex 2.5 suspension kit. http://internationalboardofhypnotherapy.com/locate.html

2). Bilstein 5100 shocks

3). Stock wheels with 33" 10-11.5 inch wide tires.
I am hesitant to go to 35's for reasons of reduction in gas mileage and handling. This is my every day vehicle.

Can anyone provide me with all terrain recommendations. I am not sure which measurement indicates the tire width.

At what point do I need wheel spacers for the set up above?

Also, do I need adapters with the set up above if I get the Bilstein shocks?

Thanks!

Christian

Here is my set up if it helps

1. Tera 2.5 spring lift with 9550 shocks
2. 1.5" rugged ridge wheel spacers
3. 315 70 17 procomp extreme mt2's
4. Super hip flashpaq

My mileage on the freeway in my rubicon is 19 if I stick to 65, which is actually better than stock
The ride is tremendously more smooth (5100's are great but known to be a bit stiff on a dd jk)
The tires have a slight hum but pull nicely offroad and handle very well on road
There is no rub, though I don't have my stupid splash guard under the bumper anymore.

There are no more parts to my set up than that and I highly recommend this or a similar set up.

MountainairMuse 04-10-2013 09:53 AM

Thanks for the feedback. Anyone else with an opinion on shocks for a DD JK that is a moderate weekend trail rig. Pro Comps vs Bilsteins vs ?

- Cheers

MountainairMuse 04-10-2013 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MountainairMuse (Post 3618905)
Thanks for the feedback. Anyone else with an opinion on shocks for a DD JK that is a moderate weekend trail rig. Pro Comps vs Bilsteins vs Terra Flex VS 9550?

- Cheers

PS - in combo with a - 2.5" Terraflex lift, 33" (285/70/R17) tires (don't want to re-gear and diminish mpg's) also don't want to chip it yet. Wheel spacers as needed to avoid rubbing, possible exhaust spacers as well.

OffRoadCam09 04-10-2013 10:06 AM

Blisteins are a great shock, very smooth on the road, tend to stiffen over bigger bumps in the road an also preforming excellent offroad

fireguy 04-22-2013 09:58 PM

13 jku 2.5" rock krawler stock mod lift 315 70 17 / GY Duratracs 5100 Bilsteins. I am really happy with this setup. Ride on and off road is great, I prefer it over the stock ride. I do have aftermarket front bumper and warn zeon 10 winch (about 150#over stock) and rear bumper/tire carrier ( 160#over stock) set up helping out the ride. I run the tires at 28 psi and it feels about right. Can't tell about the wear yet though.

JerryJeepster 04-22-2013 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fireguy (Post 3670560)
13 jku 2.5" rock krawler stock mod lift 315 70 17 / GY Duratracs 5100 Bilsteins. I am really happy with this setup. Ride on and off road is great, I prefer it over the stock ride. I do have aftermarket front bumper and warn zeon 10 winch (about 150#over stock) and rear bumper/tire carrier ( 160#over stock) set up helping out the ride. I run the tires at 28 psi and it feels about right. Can't tell about the wear yet though.

I have a jk with the same setup. I have to agree and absolutely love it with zero regrets.


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