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mrobinso 04-11-2013 04:56 PM

Land Rover Rear Jump Seats in Jeep TJ
 
I don't like my rear bench seat. It is heavy, it doesn't fold forward (because my Jeep is a 99 it was before they had the tumble option), it rarely gets used, and it takes up what little storage room there is in the back of the Jeep. I do like the utility of a vehicle with four seats. I have given this some thought, done a fair amount of research of anyone trying to do something comparable with their Jeep, and found little to no results to help me.

I would like to fabricate mounts for one or possibly two rear jump seats pulled from a Land Rover Discovery 1 in the back of my TJ. I question whether this is possible, but I am interested in giving it a shot.

The LR D1 seats can be had on eBay for anywhere between $75-$150 shipped with all hardware. On the D1 the body is designed to accommodate the seats. The TJ is not designed to accommodate any side facing seats. The wheel wells stick up too high to mount anything on top of them (the passenger's head would be above the roll cage).

What I am trying to figure out if I can do is design a mount that would enable me to mount the D1 seats on the wheel well so that they can be folded up most of the time and out of the way, but if I wanted someone to sit back there I could flip down the seat, and here is the key, and rotate the seat so it locks in a forward facing position. Unfortunately, I don't know how the D1 seats operate without having one to test.

I drew a mock up of how I would like to see this work, but I question whether it would even be possible based on the brackets of the D1 seats and the curvature of the wheel well. Even if I could design a bracket that would work, I question whether it could support the weight of your average adult.

What do you guys think? Any ideas? I am thinking of buying one of these seats just to check it out. Before you blast me for wasting my time - my Jeep is hobby/toy and this would be for fun for me.

Pic of diagram:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8251/8...102c0cbc_b.jpg

Pic of D1 seat:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8121/8...d726c63331.jpg

brandon-99tj 04-11-2013 06:32 PM

The back seat on my 99 folds forward really easy...just doesnt have the fancy handle on the seat. Mine has a little lever on the left side near the floor where the rear seat bracket is. I know thats not the only reason you wanna switch, im just curious why mine does and yours doesnt.

Btw this seems like a really good idea! You should do a build thread when you get it figured out

rdock31 04-11-2013 06:50 PM

^ I'm with the poster above, my 99 rear seat tumbles. And I was also thinking of replacing the rear seat.. I had the smaller S10 rear seat in mind. Never thought about a land rover seat. If you do make sure to post pics

mrobinso 04-12-2013 07:50 AM

Maybe I should consider S10 seats since they are lighter. Any ideas what type of brackets I would need to buy to sustain the weight of an adult? I am planning to design some type of support that can be inserted in the floor if the seats are being used.

rdock31 04-12-2013 08:04 AM

Nah I didn't really get that far with my brainstorming haha I don't have fab skills at all, so it was more of "has anyone done it before" kinda thing. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard if you set it straight forward, the hardest part would be designing around the wheel well.

mrobinso 04-12-2013 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rdock31 (Post 3627298)
Nah I didn't really get that far with my brainstorming haha I don't have fab skills at all, so it was more of "has anyone done it before" kinda thing. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard if you set it straight forward, the hardest part would be designing around the wheel well.

I was looking around eBay for other jump seats and I am leaning a bit more towards simply purchasing a floor mounted Ford truck center seat (that would typically be installed as an option between the front driver and passenger seats on any of the F-series trucks) and just calling it a day. Not nearly as cool as my plan for the fold down and pivot jump seats, but at the same time it is a much more straightforward (and probably safer) alternative. I don't intend for any rear seat to be used more than on occasion. But mounting them to the floor is a better bet and the F-series jump seats can be had for only $125 - $175. Would be a lot more bulky though.

DarrenT 04-12-2013 08:46 AM

I like your idea, but if you want them forward facing, go for D2 seats, as any bracket fab will be much easier. D1 side seats were great, but I can't imagine they'd be too good outside of that environment. A D2 seat however was forward facing and a lot more practical. IIRC they folded to the side also, but faced forwards. Better to use the ones that were designed that way, than try to modify the ones from the disco 1.
I miss my Disco (UK 300 TDI)

sparky 04-12-2013 09:06 AM

There is not much room between the wheel wells. Sitting sideways will be uncomfortable, and no seat belt. Rear passengers have their feet down in the foot well. If you try a pivoting seat you are adding complexity and the additional brackets/mountings take up room.

Did you look for the release lever - left, rear, bottom.

WingingIt74 04-12-2013 09:07 AM

YJ rear seats tumble... yours should also.

mrobinso 05-21-2013 12:40 PM

I evaluated using the Ford bench seat from the F-series trucks but decided to forego that in lieu of using a (don't laugh) Honda Odyssey middle seat from the 2011 model. The Honda seat is narrower, has a headrest, and is designed to clip/unclip from floor bolts for easy removal. I plan to use either door strikers bolted to the floor or u-bolts bolted through the floor to rely upon the built in locking mechanism designed into the base of the Honda seats so that the seat will be fully removable as it is designed to be.

Image of the seat.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8113/8...7a8c203ecc.jpg

Picture of the bottom of the seat where the clips are built in:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8402/8...8ff2fb1a_b.jpg

Picture of the door strikers I plan to bolt under the carpet to the tub to connect the seat:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8260/8...b49cdacab0.jpg

This weekend I went to install everything and realized where I wanted to drill the tub to mount the rear two u-bolts was the frame's crossmember (I think). Am I okay to drill through that to mount these bolts on the underside of the Jeep with washers and nuts?

Thanks.

mrobinso 05-24-2013 09:40 AM

Any thoughts on drilling through the part described above? Am I good?

DJs97TJs 05-24-2013 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrobinso (Post 3624721)
I don't like my rear bench seat. It is heavy, it doesn't fold forward (because my Jeep is a 99 it was before they had the tumble option)

I have a 97 and it has a tumble seat. Works just fine

Wesboy 05-24-2013 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJs97TJs (Post 3789277)
I have a 97 and it has a tumble seat. Works just fine

X2 - not heavy either.

1979WagoneerLTD 05-24-2013 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrobinso (Post 3624721)
I don't like my rear bench seat. It is heavy, it doesn't fold forward (because my Jeep is a 99 it was before they had the tumble option), it rarely gets used, and it takes up what little storage room there is in the back of the Jeep. I do like the utility of a vehicle with four seats. I have given this some thought, done a fair amount of research of anyone trying to do something comparable with their Jeep, and found little to no results to help me.

I would like to fabricate mounts for one or possibly two rear jump seats pulled from a Land Rover Discovery 1 in the back of my TJ. I question whether this is possible, but I am interested in giving it a shot.

The LR D1 seats can be had on eBay for anywhere between $75-$150 shipped with all hardware. On the D1 the body is designed to accommodate the seats. The TJ is not designed to accommodate any side facing seats. The wheel wells stick up too high to mount anything on top of them (the passenger's head would be above the roll cage).

What I am trying to figure out if I can do is design a mount that would enable me to mount the D1 seats on the wheel well so that they can be folded up most of the time and out of the way, but if I wanted someone to sit back there I could flip down the seat, and here is the key, and rotate the seat so it locks in a forward facing position. Unfortunately, I don't know how the D1 seats operate without having one to test.

I drew a mock up of how I would like to see this work, but I question whether it would even be possible based on the brackets of the D1 seats and the curvature of the wheel well. Even if I could design a bracket that would work, I question whether it could support the weight of your average adult.

What do you guys think? Any ideas? I am thinking of buying one of these seats just to check it out. Before you blast me for wasting my time - my Jeep is hobby/toy and this would be for fun for me.

Pic of diagram:

Pic of D1 seat:

I like it. You've inspired me :)

mrobinso 05-24-2013 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesboy (Post 3790330)
X2 - not heavy either.

Yeah I am a fool and figured out the tumble feature but I actually want the one seat. So to my last question, can I drill into the cross member above the gas tank?

1979WagoneerLTD 05-24-2013 08:42 PM

[QUOTE So to my last question, can I drill into the cross member above the gas tank?[/QUOTE]

I do not know, but will investigate this weekend and will post if its not followed-up on by another person.

Squint 05-24-2013 09:39 PM

I have thought for years about doing the same thing. It would be much better to have one seat instead a big double seat in the back. I will be interested to see what you come up with. I don't think bracketry would be hard to make or install, however I would worry about them being mounted securely to the tub in the event of a crash. I would look to see how thinck the tub is where they mounted the front and rear factory seats and make sure you have the same type of construction. Mabe you could even put lockable storage under it. :)

Squint 05-24-2013 09:41 PM

I also remember seeing a single seat available at Quadratech or one of those companies for either a CJ or a YJ. You might want to check on it before you reinvent the wheel.

raif281 04-05-2014 07:31 PM

update?

IndianaBones 04-06-2014 09:13 AM

I've always liked the LR defender troop seats. Have you checked those out?

dennishh 06-01-2014 07:09 PM

We would love to have one of these!

xbcasey 06-01-2014 11:05 PM

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I turned my jeep into a three seater a while back using a Mitsubishi Montero seat and a homemade bracket. The bracket bolts down to the existing seat mounts in the floor and then has two bolts though the top of the fender well to a backing plate underneath. On the other side I built a folding table that turned out far more useful than I imagined it would be, it also bolts to the stock seat mounts. If I find I need a four seater, I can unbolt this whole setup and put the stock backseat in in about ten minutes.

xbcasey 06-01-2014 11:07 PM

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View from the front...

BlueSheepDog 06-01-2014 11:12 PM

anyone ever experimented with mounting the rear seat as rear facing.... thought it might been cool for the beach, tail gating, etc?

TjMtl 06-02-2014 06:19 AM

You should sell these as a kit, I'd buy one. Great job!

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Originally Posted by xbcasey (Post 11039578)
View from the front...


NCRick 06-02-2014 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TjMtl (Post 11042594)
You should sell these as a kit, I'd buy one. Great job!


X2!! I love the idea of having more storage option but also a seat when you need it without completely removing the rear seat. I can almost guarantee I will never have 4 people in the Jeep but 3 people and my dogs would go great with this set up.

IndianaBones 06-02-2014 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TjMtl (Post 11042594)
You should sell these as a kit, I'd buy one. Great job!

X3 I like!

xbcasey 06-02-2014 02:03 PM

3 people and a dog is the exact reason I did it! I have a small dog whose bed sits on the table perfectly. The table is also just tall enough for my ice chest to fit underneath. The other benefit, with the seat being thinner than the stock seat, I was able to gain four inches of leg room for the rear passenger while only loosing one inch of space behind the seat and gaining all the room to the side. Here's a link to my build thread of you want any more details about how I put it in.
NorCal-Jeeps.com • View topic - Casey's jeep projects

2-D 06-07-2014 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by xbcasey (Post 11050690)
Here's a link to my build thread of you want any more details about how I put it in.
NorCal-Jeeps.com • View topic - Casey's jeep projects

That's awesome! I've been worried about the safety issues of jump seats... looks like a great solution. Junked Mitsubishis are going to be in demand for a little bit around here I think.
Do you mind measuring up your bracket? I'm hopeless without numbers.
Although I'll have to get the welding done with a friend, so if you have time to whip up another to sell, I suppose that would be OK too ;)
Also, I think I saw your jeep pop up in Jeff's safari cab thread - I think you borrowed his soft top hatch design.

2-D 06-07-2014 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 2-D (Post 11166242)
Junked Mitsubishis are going to be in demand for a little bit around here I think.

...so much for that. Quick CL search and it turns out that exact seat is for sale nearby. Definitely interested in [probably making] a bracket now.


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