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TjMudMan 04-18-2013 10:41 AM

HELPPP! Same common Problem
 
I have a '97 tj wrangler that i love. took it offroading last sunday and when we were done parked it up in my buddies driveway. i then backed it up to where we were sitting to listen to music after it had been turned off for an hour.. then my buddy put in a new radio for me without disconnecting the battery. after the radio jumped back in to go to skyline and it wouldnt start. theres not power going to the fuel pump, i am getting no spark from my plugs, and my gauges arent moving when i turn on the battery. please help me!
missing work cause i have no other transportation.
trying to keep it from putting it in the shop!

Any advice is helpful

SecretAgentMan 04-18-2013 10:46 AM

I think I'd start with finding out exactly what your buddy did. You had electrical when you got to your buddy's house. I installed a radio (which involves the electrical system) and immediately after you had no electrical.

I'd start by checking fuses and double-check the power connection to the battery. Then see if you can undo whatever he did and go from there.

lys327 04-18-2013 10:46 AM

check main fuse panel to see if main engine fuse blew. check all fuse to see if blown.

lys327 04-18-2013 10:47 AM

also see if he used a harness adapter or just old school wired in the radio...

Timberline 04-18-2013 10:52 AM

Are you sure you guys didn't kill the battery when you were sitting in the driveway listening to music for an hour with the engine off? Just a thought.

joebarlow65 04-18-2013 11:13 AM

Check your battery with a voltmeter, or take his and see if jeep starts, most probably is a completely dead battery, or a blown fuse somewhere. if anything sparked while he was installing it then a fuse was blown.

TjMudMan 04-19-2013 09:27 AM

the jeep radio wasnt palying for an hour im saying it was turned off and then we did all that

and i checked all the fuses, nothing is blown, i even switched the relays around and theyre all fine,
he used a harness
could it be my computer is fried?

i checked the battery and it was reading about 15 i know thats more than normal but why?
im just stumped
Thanks for all the help!

TjMudMan 04-19-2013 09:28 AM

oh and also after he put it in, the jeep would crank just not start, and the radio worked just fine

Wattapunk 04-19-2013 09:38 AM

I would start by taking off the battery terminals and wire brush it clean then tightened them well. A good battery with poor connections will cause similar issues.

TjMudMan 04-19-2013 09:41 AM

i did that took them both off i even connected the ppositive to the negatice to reset the ecu didnt do anything cleaned the crap out of them

joebarlow65 04-19-2013 09:43 AM

have you used a battery that is known to start another vehicle? i had a problem on my motorcycle once that the battery showed 14v but it wouldnt crank or would act like the battery was dead. turns out the battery was bad and it showed 14 when there was no draw but as soon as there was draw it went to nothing.

TjMudMan 04-19-2013 09:46 AM

but if the battery is bad, wouldnt my radio not even turn on?

Wattapunk 04-19-2013 09:55 AM

A bad battery will not have the cranking amps to start the Jeep but enough juice to run the lights/radio. Pull your battery and have it load tested at Autozone.

RUBI 4 MY MRS 04-19-2013 05:49 PM

Radio still works, right?

Go to the fuse block behind the glove box & check fuses 10 & 11. If good (test them, don’t go by “looks”), turn the key on & see if there is power going TO those fuses by pulling them out & see if one of the terminals for each fuse has battery power. If not then the ignition switch is bad.

Jerry Bransford 04-19-2013 05:53 PM

There are two fuse panels, one behind the glove box door & one on the passenger-side fenderwell in the engine compartment. I suspect there is a blown fuse that you missed checking.

carlosfangdango 04-20-2013 05:25 AM

Don't confuse voltage with current. One is potential(voltage) the other is capacity(amps). If one of the cells in the battery has collapsed,there are 6 as each cell is 2 volts, you will still see potential but when you try to consume there is no capacity. There is significant difference in current between a radio and a starter. That said the starter is always hot it waits to be engaged by the solenoid, is the solenoid engaging. If not it could be the solenoid or any of the relays that are also in the circuit. These relays are in turn controlled by switches such as the gear position or clutch switch. These also have there own power feed fuses. I only have. 97 wiring diagram but happy to fault find if you can show a diagram.

ChaddG 04-20-2013 06:56 AM

My guess is fuses first, check the one that powers the fuel pump.
if the engine is turning over, and not firing off, check for spark. take a plug wire off and see if it grounds when it is turned over.
next check for fuel.
if you went off roading, check to see that all your wires are connected. make sure the wires aren't broken going to your fuel pump.

Like these guys said, can you jump start it?
sometimes a starter will turn over, but not have enough life left in it to start the vehicle.

Here are some thoughts and areas for you to explore if you haven't already gotten it started.

GoodLife 04-20-2013 07:43 AM

Take your battery to autozone and have them test it. I was on a road trip and stopped for gas. When I got back in and tried to start it, nothing happened. I had to hitch a ride to a parts store to replace it. Also, The connectors on fuses can oxidize and stop getting a proper connection. Pulling/pushing them in and out several times will scrape of the oxidation and allow for a good connection.

ErbTJ 04-20-2013 07:14 PM

Same as everyone is saying i would check the battery first tough i had one go out on me with no warning and still had electricals but couldn't even jump it. Fuses would also be a possibility

TjMudMan 04-21-2013 09:49 AM

Thanks everyone for the replies! ill have the battery tested today, also when i went out to see what was going on with it, i unplugged the distributor cap wire and all my gauges worked? then i plugged it back in and they all stopped working again?
still confused, still not running. any help is appreciated!

2000wranglerguy 04-21-2013 10:13 AM

if your not getting any power to the spark plugs, cluster, fuel pump then I would have to say check all of your fuses. I didn't think your battery was bad because it still cranks. I would also take the radio out until you figure out whats going on. discount the battery and remove the radio. Did you guys use a radio harness that plugs into factory harness? Check fuse 1,3, 15 and 25 those are all on the radio circuit, I just looked at the wiring diagram.

2000wranglerguy 04-21-2013 10:17 AM

check fuse 9 and 12 too. pcm power...

TjMudMan 04-21-2013 08:20 PM

Yes we used a harness that plugs into the factory harness

carlosfangdango 04-22-2013 06:10 AM

I see the speakers and the cam sensor both have a brk blue and white cable, did you also mess with the speakers and tap the wrong cable

TjMudMan 04-22-2013 07:10 AM

He did it all but hes done it all plenty of times and knows what hes doing. i just dont know what else to do, im going to replace all the fuses today, my battery is fine.

Thanks again for all the replies
still not running any other ideas before it goes to the shop?

TjMudMan 04-22-2013 07:11 AM

fuse 25? i dont see a 25

carlosfangdango 04-22-2013 07:28 AM

If all else fails, take everything you added out and try to get back to square one. If it worked before there must be an error unplug anything you added, if you spiced isolate them all.

TjMudMan 04-22-2013 08:30 AM

thats the thing, the only thing we did was take off the dash, unplug the radio, cut the wires, and wired the new one in... thats it

TjMudMan 04-22-2013 11:06 AM

is it possible i need a whole new pcm?

SecretAgentMan 04-22-2013 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TjMudMan (Post 3668063)
is it possible i need a whole new pcm?

Did you put it back to the way it was before your buddy started working on it, as several of us have suggested?


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