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Blue Rubicon 04-19-2013 03:02 PM

Winch?
 
So I have been researching winches for a while and still can't come to a conclusion of which one I want? I am wanting to spend around $600? Do you guys have any suggestions?

MudRunner 04-19-2013 03:18 PM

After doing months of research myself, I went with the Engo EPF10000s. No report on how it performs since its still shipping. But the reasons I chose it was:
- Great reviews
- Seen them work on the trails
- Relatively cheap (got my for ~$500)
- Synthetic line
That is all. Hopefully others will chime in with their recommendations and experiences. Good luck! :thumb:

KrawlOff-Road.com 04-19-2013 03:31 PM

ENGO gets my vote as well! Great winch for the money and best customer service on the market for winches!

Engo Winches

-Jason

Blue Rubicon 04-19-2013 03:46 PM

Engo is what I am looking at right now, synthetic line. 10000 enough?

mpjdrizzt 04-19-2013 03:46 PM

Warn!
 
If your budget is $600, then buy as much Warn as you can! I have a Warn VR8000 which I purchased through Quadratec for $475. That coupled with a 30,000 pound snatch block and I can pretty much get myself (or someone else) out of whatever "stuck" I may find myself. There are multiple reasons I went with Warn: 1) Reputation! Do they ever break or fail? Of course! All brands will have a break down at some point. However, their track record stands up. 2) Ask your sales rep from whichever vendor you may chose which winch he would buy if he was spending the money. With $600 to spend you can either move up in the Warn line, or go synthetic (NOTE: All synthetic ropes are NOT equal. Some do NOT deal with heat very well and can damage your winch!). To finish this up, are you buying a winch that will be replaced in "x" number of years? Or are you purchasing a winch that when your Jeep is at trade in time, you'll pull the winch and put it on the new Jeep? Too many of the "old timers" have told me too many times for me not to listen. :thumb:

Bouldozer 04-19-2013 04:01 PM

Warn 10,000
 
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For my 2013 JKUR with Rock Hard front bumper - Warn VR10,000. $600 installed. It works great.

KrawlOff-Road.com 04-19-2013 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Rubicon (Post 3657327)
Engo is what I am looking at right now, synthetic line. 10000 enough?

Yes sir! That is what we ran on our JK (10000-s) and it worked great!

-Jason

Blue Rubicon 04-19-2013 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrawlOff-Road.com (Post 3657395)
Yes sir! That is what we ran on our JK (10000-s) and it worked great!

-Jason


Just saw that you were a vender...

Do you cary ENGO EPF10000S Winch?

Blue Rubicon 04-19-2013 06:05 PM

ENGO 77-12000PFS EPF12000S 12,000 lb 12 Volt Electric Winch with Synthetic Rope Premium Finish

Rated Line Pull 12,000 lb. (5454kg)
Motor 6.0 HP, Series Wound
Gearing 3-Stage Planetary
Gear Ratio 265:1
Brake Automatic Load Holding
Clutch Free Spooling
Fairlead Heavy Duty Roller
Cable or Rope WIre 3/8" x 85" (9.5mm x 26m)
Net Weight 89 lb. (40kg)
Dimensions Length x Width x Height, 21.9" x 6.3" x 8.7" (555mm x 161mm x 222mm)
Drum Dimensions Diameter 2.5" (63mm) x Length 8.8" (224mm)
Mounting Bolt Pattern 10" x 4.5" (254mm x 114.3mm)
Warranty Limited Lifetime/ 1-Year Electrical


I think this is the one

Duckquackers 04-19-2013 08:32 PM

I love my Engo winch, used it 7 times and sadly I'm sure will be using several times tomorrow.

Blue Rubicon 04-20-2013 05:06 PM

Called ENGO they are out of 10000 and 12000 for another week or two.

KrawlOff-Road.com 04-22-2013 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Rubicon (Post 3657526)
Just saw that you were a vender...

Do you cary ENGO EPF10000S Winch?


Yes sir. We can get you anything ENGO makes my friend!


-Jason

onetraveller 04-22-2013 10:43 AM

Superwinch Tiger Shark 9500.

Superwinch 1595200 Tiger Shark 9.5, 12 VDC winch, 9, 500 lb/4, 309 kg capacity with roller fairlead : Amazon.com : Automotive

Mike

nmdesertrat 04-22-2013 11:02 AM

I went with the ENGO 10K. Solenoid wires were reversed from the factory. Took about 2 minutes to fix. No other problems.

Blue Rubicon 04-22-2013 11:39 AM

So the jeep unlimited rubicon lets say weights 4500 pounds how much winch do I need. 10000 0r 12000

Jack Burton 04-22-2013 11:47 AM

I spent a lot of time doing my homework and also chose the Engo 10000 w/ Synthetic.

In all my homework there was a bit of griping about Chinese made winches and that one should only order WARN. I could not justify the premium price of Warn but the VR series had an attractive price point. But from what I hear the VR series are outsourced Chinese made winches.

So in the end most winches are Chinese mfr anyway. I read a "winch shootout" aritcle comparing a few different winches. I liked the Engo results the best, read other positive reviews on them and comments from other forum members.

KrawlOff-Road.com 04-22-2013 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Rubicon (Post 3668174)
So the jeep unlimited rubicon lets say weights 4500 pounds how much winch do I need. 10000 0r 12000

Usually you want double the weight with a little extra. Most guys run the 10K and are fine BUT, you can never have too much pulling power either.

-Jason

Jack Burton 04-22-2013 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Rubicon (Post 3668174)
So the jeep unlimited rubicon lets say weights 4500 pounds how much winch do I need. 10000 0r 12000

We can't really do an apples/apples comparison on how much weight is needed. yes the vehicle weighs 4500# but once shes bogged down in the mud how much pulling power is needed?

I don't have test results for you, only other forum members comments. I have heard 8k is enough, for the little more $$ I went 10K and won't look back.

I have heard from many that 10K is enough for an JKU. Not a scientific answer but good enough for me.

iiTMRii 04-22-2013 11:55 AM

10,000 should be plenty. If you ain't getting enough pull power snatch block it and double your pulling power. I'm sure 20,000 will pull you out if even the thick gumbo mud.

onetraveller 04-22-2013 12:42 PM

You want 1.5 to 2 times the GVW in winch capacity. So an 8-10k lb winch is usually plenty.

Here are some useful documents from Uncle Sam.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery%20ch22.pdf

FM 20-22 Vehicle Recovery Operations

Mike

Blue Rubicon 04-22-2013 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onetraveller (Post 3668406)
You want 1.5 to 2 times the GVW in winch capacity. So an 8-10k lb winch is usually plenty.

Here are some useful documents from Uncle Sam.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery%20ch22.pdf

FM 20-22 Vehicle Recovery Operations

Mike

Holy crap I haven't seen an FM for about 2 years. Lol

onetraveller 04-22-2013 01:20 PM

Here's a few more for your late night reading pleasure.

http://cdn.shptrn.com/media/mfg/4377...pdf?1289591024

https://cdn.shptrn.com/media/mfg/437...pdf?1314391780

https://cdn.shptrn.com/media/mfg/437...pdf?1314391730

Mike

fireguy 04-22-2013 01:53 PM

Save up for a Warn, we have them on both Jeeps. I am not sure about synthetic and went with steel cable. A Warn winch should outlast the vehicle. Right now there are mfgr. rebates of $100 on the Zeon 10k winch, fairlead for $799 with the rebate.

kurtz265 04-22-2013 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Burton (Post 3668223)
We can't really do an apples/apples comparison on how much weight is needed. yes the vehicle weighs 4500# but once shes bogged down in the mud how much pulling power is needed?

I don't have test results for you, only other forum members comments. I have heard 8k is enough, for the little more $$ I went 10K and won't look back.

I have heard from many that 10K is enough for an JKU. Not a scientific answer but good enough for me.

I pulled a Armored JKU on 35s (heavy!) UP a hill, over a large rock while it was high centered with my Warn M8000 this past weekend. It never even hiccuped, slowed down... nothing. Just cranked that bad boy straight up and over. I had about 40 feet of line out for the pull.

mpjdrizzt 04-22-2013 02:04 PM

Warn VR Series
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Burton (Post 3668204)
I spent a lot of time doing my homework and also chose the Engo 10000 w/ Synthetic.

In all my homework there was a bit of griping about Chinese made winches and that one should only order WARN. I could not justify the premium price of Warn but the VR series had an attractive price point. But from what I hear the VR series are outsourced Chinese made winches.

So in the end most winches are Chinese mfr anyway. I read a "winch shootout" aritcle comparing a few different winches. I liked the Engo results the best, read other positive reviews on them and comments from other forum members.

The last "official" word from Warn states that the VR Series winches are produced in Oregon. They are NOT manufactured in China. "Some" parts may not be from said factory. However, they are NOT "rebranded" Tabor winches, nor are they winches manufactured in China. The statement went on to say that they are manufactured in Oregon under the same standards and testing as all Warn Winches.

Sure, the Chinese winches give you a lot for less money. However, I have absolutely no regrets choosing Warn.:D

Blue Rubicon 04-22-2013 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpjdrizzt (Post 3668673)

The last "official" word from Warn states that the VR Series winches are produced in Oregon. They are NOT manufactured in China. "Some" parts may not be from said factory. However, they are NOT "rebranded" Tabor winches, nor are they winches manufactured in China. The statement went on to say that they are manufactured in Oregon under the same standards and testing as all Warn Winches.

Sure, the Chinese winches give you a lot for less money. However, I have absolutely no regrets choosing Warn.:D

Just a question, I have heard great things about Warn but why would someone spend almost ($800) double for a warn. I am just trying to justify it in my head, 10000 Engo is $430, cause warn in a good product. They both have life time warranty.

mpjdrizzt 04-22-2013 02:33 PM

Why spend the extra money?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Rubicon (Post 3668693)
Just a question, I have heard great things about Warn but why would someone spend almost ($800) double for a warn. I am just trying to justify it in my head, 10000 Engo is $430, cause warn in a good product. They both have life time warranty.

Prior to making my winch purchase, I was like the majority of Jeepers here on the forum. I had a specific target budget, and I wanted to get the most "bang for my buck." I was looking at one of the Chinese winches which I could get with synthetic rope for close to the same price that I could get the Warn VR8000 with steel rope. Just as an added note, I had been told by many others to "buy Warn!" However, I was still looking at that "bang for my buck" factor:nonono: When it was time to make the actual purchase, I was questioning my sales rep (a LOT of questions). Then he asked me, "Is this a winch that you plan to replace in a few years? Or is this the winch that you plan on keeping?" I told him that this winch was to be a keeper. (Just like with tools, I always tell others, if you can't afford to buy GOOD tools, don't waste money. Borrow until you CAN afford, then buy the best so that it's always there.) The sales rep told me to buy the Warn because it was the winch that would be there years down the road. He wasn't going to get anything extra out of this deal. I was spending a specified amount of money...period. He was looking out for MY interests.

Please understand, I'm NOT saying that the Engo isn't going to hold up or that it's not a good winch. I just know that for ME, Warn was, and still is, the way to go.:thumb:

freedomrider 04-22-2013 02:46 PM

I definitely understand that warn is "the best" but the both carry the same warranty. One is assembled in the USA which is great. And one is assembled in china. So let's be real your paying for the name. Just like anything else. If you have the money to throw at it why not but for the rest of us why would you when if it does malfunction they will replace it all the same.

Seeuoffroad 04-22-2013 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bouldozer (Post 3657390)
For my 2013 JKUR with Rock Hard front bumper - Warn VR10,000. $600 installed. It works great.

Hey I have the same bumper and same winch.

Duckquackers 04-22-2013 02:55 PM

This weekend my ENGO worked all day long and kept pulling even after a WARN and Smitty went down. At one point I had a bogged down CJ that was buried and needed to come up a 5 foot hill, I anchored up to a K5 Blazer and bam, up up he went. We all have opinions like Aholes but for me the ENGO is worth every penny and more.


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