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Peters44 04-21-2013 08:28 AM

Should I have ABS brakes?
Hi everyone. I have lurking on this forum for a while and just joined and have a question.
I have been looking for a 2001-2006 Jeep Wrangler automatic with ABS brakes for my daughters first car. The ABS brake option has been hard to locate. We live in MA and drive in all kinds of conditions and I have thought the ABS brakes should be a must.
Opinions please.

Thank you

Big Sarge 04-21-2013 09:00 AM

If it is a required must for your daughter's safety the that's your thing. Not to say that I blame you. However you will have to look hard to find one. Not many TJs have ABS. It is my understanding that it was sold as an option on them. They are out there, just few and far in between.

2JeepsThatRun 04-21-2013 09:13 AM

I've never really locked up the wheels in my jeep to the point I writhed I had abs. I'm in Ohio so I get a decent winter every once in a while. The nice thing about the wrangler is that you can feel which tire is dragging if they do lock up unlike some cars that I've driven. If you get a good tire like the Bfg a/ts the traction on the road would help keep the wheels from locking eliminating the need for the abs system.

Peters44 04-22-2013 06:47 PM

Thanks guys for the advice.


Lusus_Naturae 05-02-2013 05:28 PM

I have never seen one, even though I know they exist. I have the belief that cars will vary and it's good to learn how to drive a bit of everything just in case you need to in an emergency. Your daughter may need some time driving one type of vehicle before she drives another, that's something nobody else knows but you and her.

The driving style is different between ABS and non-ABS brakes. Everyone should know this no matter what they normally drive, if they borrow a car, rent a car, etc, you should know how you need to apply the brakes. In good weather it's about the same on every car, but in bad weather or in an emergency, they are different.

ABS pulses the brakes, sometimes you can feel the pulse in the foot pedal and sometimes not. With ABS you push the brake pedal with a smooth action and steer the direction you want to go. There is no pumping involved, the brakes pulse by themselves. There isn't much worry about heat fade either.

If you have regular brakes you need to ease into them and tap or pump them to avoid locking them up, getting some brake fade from overheating, or skidding out of control.

There are still a lot of vehicle out there without ABS, and for my kids, that's what they will learn to drive first in case they even need to be a designated driver for someone, or need to drive a friend's car because the friend is sick. My kids started driving at 12 though - only on private property and they also have to learn how to care for a vehicle and check everything too. My wife is German and learned over there, German laws are much more strict, some of her training saved her life 2 years ago when a moron that just bought a new Tundra drove it off the lot, down the highway entrance ramp, and merged into my wife's convertible because the Tundra driver never had a truck before and never even adjusted the mirrors before driving off the lot. Stupidity happens, we just want to make sure we know how to handle it. I hope your daughter never has to go through anything like that. I also understand a bit more why my parents never had an accident, they have always driven a bit like old folks and very defensively. They always told me to drive like everyone else was drunk.

2JeepsThatRun 05-02-2013 11:28 PM

I've seen them on Saharas and rubicons but never on a sport, se, or x. That doesn't mean they don't exist it's just what I've seen. Also if you plan in wheeling it the non abs is better IMO because I feel you want your wheels to stop when you tell them not pulse.

That gives me an idea on how to teach here to drive with non abs. Have her go down a very muddy and slick hill and tell her not to lock the wheels it'll teach her how to use the engine as a break, to tap the breaks instead of hold them, and use power to turn like a jet ski.

Peters44 05-14-2013 06:34 PM

Thanks guys for the additional advice.
Well I found a 2002 Sahara with 57 k miles without ABS and it was a standard not an automatic. My daughter and I drove an hour to look at it and made an offer. We then found out the owner was not ready to sell for another month which was very disappointing.
The next day I found a 2003 Sahara with 70 K miles one owner garage kept with ABS and it is an automatic.

Very happy with our find.
Thanks again.

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