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janosko9424 04-21-2013 02:16 PM

3" lift questions
 
I would like to go with something similar to the zone 4.25" lift. With that do I have to get a SYE or CV driveshaft or anything extra. 4 cly daily driver

hagler123 04-21-2013 02:35 PM

I have the 3" Zone suspension lift on my 2001 tj sport and put it on myself and used the tcase drop spacers and have no vibes and it runs perfectly fine!

thgr8alex 04-21-2013 02:37 PM

Same here. Got zone 3 inch. Sye isnt needed for 3 inch if you do tcase drop or a mml with a body lift. Which you could do with the 4.25 combo

michiganhunter 04-21-2013 03:17 PM

Are you guys running a 33" tire with those 3" lifts?? Do you have any pics of them if so?

thgr8alex 04-21-2013 03:36 PM

Yes 33s. I dont recommend any bigger or you could get yourself into trouble without upgrading a bit more.
Im on the road right now so not great internet connection.. Will post pics soon

janosko9424 04-21-2013 03:43 PM

With 33s do I need new axles? I've heard yes and no? And if I do a MML do I need a Tcase drop too?

BLK00TJ 04-21-2013 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by janosko9424 (Post 3664709)
With 33s do I need new axles? I've heard yes and no? And if I do a MML do I need a Tcase drop too?

For axles, the D35 is fine with 33s so long as you don't lock it. The D44 is fine locked. which rear axle do you have?

For the TC drop, it depends. Some people have had to drop the TC even with the mml (I did) and some didn't. Then there are those that don't realize they have vibes and wonder why they chew up u-joints on a regular basis.

thgr8alex 04-21-2013 04:08 PM

Mine has a mml and when i installed lift, i had slight vibes on the way home but the next day and til now i dont. Sometimes when i downshift i have slight vibes so it probably wouldnt hurt for me to install it but they are really not there and when they are its ever so slight.

thgr8alex 04-21-2013 04:16 PM

I got internet now! These are 3 inch zone lift and 2 inch body lift

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Dezmond 04-22-2013 08:36 AM

That looks nice thgr8alex!!! I have my 3" Zone kit coming in this week and we plan to attack it this weekend so I can test it out at our first mud runs this year. Hope we don't break or need anything extra :) Starting to PB Spray everything today so it will be easier to wrench on by Friday night. Fingers crossed. I have a 97 TJ 2.5 with 32 Falken AT's on it.. Will post some pics when all done...

Dezi

SAABseanSCANIA 04-22-2013 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by janosko9424 (Post 3664534)
I would like to go with something similar to the zone 4.25" lift. With that do I have to get a SYE or CV driveshaft or anything extra. 4 cly daily driver

I'm running the 4.25 Zone kit and I'm having to go SYE (it's in the mail right now). With just a 3", it can be hit or miss, but I wanted it done right instead of spacers on my tcase. I don't have HUGE vibrations, but enough to warrant spending the couple hundred extra on an SYE. Maybe what I have you could live with, but not me. Most people don't do SYE with that kit; I don't think it's 100% necessary, but I want it.

Like everyone says, they're all different.

janosko9424 04-22-2013 01:34 PM

It is possible to live with the vibrations for alittle while after the lift? To save up for a SYE? If you get a SYE do you need a new driveshaft also?

PStov98TJ 04-22-2013 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by janosko9424 (Post 3668592)
It is possible to live with the vibrations for alittle while after the lift? To save up for a SYE? If you get a SYE do you need a new driveshaft also?

Just put a t-case drop in unless its only gonna be like a month or less.
With an sye you'll need rear adjustable upper control arms and a new Double Cardin (the cv part in sye/cv term) shaft. Tom Woods is a highly recommended vendor to the shafts.

MFsoftball22 04-22-2013 02:25 PM

T-case drops will work but from personal experience I would just spend the extra money and do it right. I have 05 TJ with 3" BDS lift 33" tires. It originally had a T-case drop until i snapped the T-case mainshaft off. I was trying to take off on on some ice and when the tires caught it snapped the shaft. Surprisingly it wasnt my axle shaft. I went to SYE and CV axle and havent had problem since.

Worse part of the break was that i had to limp Jeep in 4X4 to local parking lot with driveshaft beating off of my muffler. Then I had to keep my Jeep Downtown St. Louis where almost everything gets stollen. Wasnt a very fun time that is for sure.

janosko9424 04-22-2013 02:52 PM

I'd love to spend the extra money and do it right... If I had any money to begin with... I might just have to settle with a 2" lift and 1" body lift I think that would really simplify things

Huelsmma 04-22-2013 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by janosko9424 (Post 3668852)
I'd love to spend the extra money and do it right... If I had any money to begin with... I might just have to settle with a 2" lift and 1" body lift I think that would really simplify things

I hear ya...all i wanted to do was run new 3"/2" coils, shocks, BL & ML and call it a day with some 33" and new wheels.

Now everyone says I need a front adj trackbar, longer swaybar links & list continues to grow. Makes me kinda discouraged and over the whole thing. I have too much going on right to stress about these decisions let alone try to enjoy the whole buying stuff process.

MFsoftball22 04-22-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by janosko9424 (Post 3668852)
I'd love to spend the extra money and do it right... If I had any money to begin with... I might just have to settle with a 2" lift and 1" body lift I think that would really simplify things

I don't think anyone is trying to discourage you from getting a 3" lift. Just trying to give you the best advice and things that you will have to look into. If you have the money i would do it right but just because you cannot afford the SYE now doesnt mean you cant do the T-case drop now and upgrade later. I bought my Jeep with the 3in BDS lift and if does not have adjustable upper control arms or the adjustable track bar. It can be done just not the optimal setup. Also you will probably want to go up more in the future and then you will realize that you have to respend all that money. I would suggest you really think about how far you want to go with it and then save your money for the mods that you need to lift correctly. I planning on lifting mine and going to 35" tires and there is nothing cheap about it. but i have been buying the parts i need a little at a time and then when i have everything then i will lift it. That might be something to think about.

janosko9424 04-22-2013 09:57 PM

Yeah I understand I don't want to go to 35s with this jeep. Alittle too much for me I'm gonna stick with 33s I have gone back and forth for about half a year of what exactly I want to do with my jeep it's gonna stay my daily driver... For forever hahaha it's funny having conversations with other people and being able to say that you drive your dream car! Plus you will never see a jeep that's the same as yours, that's probably my favorite part except JK they are kinda generic which is sad

MFsoftball22 04-23-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by janosko9424 (Post 3670552)
Yeah I understand I don't want to go to 35s with this jeep. Alittle too much for me I'm gonna stick with 33s I have gone back and forth for about half a year of what exactly I want to do with my jeep it's gonna stay my daily driver... For forever hahaha it's funny having conversations with other people and being able to say that you drive your dream car! Plus you will never see a jeep that's the same as yours, that's probably my favorite part except JK they are kinda generic which is sad

I would figure out what you want to spend and get the best kit for your money. There are a lot of kits out there some better than others. Read and Study up a little bit and then make a decision. Pick through the "opinions" and go with the experiences. In the end it is your money though. I would spend it on what you want and not what someone else wants. Otherwise youll find yourself :banghead:

Also you can always get a kit and then upgrade certain components (Springs, Adjustable Control Arms, Shocks, SYE w/ CV Axle, Adjustable Track Bar, etc.) There are a lot of 3" lift systems out there and a lot of components to interchange.

janosko9424 04-23-2013 10:35 AM

Hmmm ok quick question day I did a 3 inch lift had alittle vibes so did the Tcase drop still had vibes after that. Could I throw on a 1 inch BL and a MML. Can you run a MML and Tcase drop at the same time?

homebrwd 04-23-2013 10:38 AM

Yes you can, you should look more at why you are getting vibes. How much of a drop did you install?

MFsoftball22 04-23-2013 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by homebrwd (Post 3672511)
Yes you can, you should look more at why you are getting vibes. How much of a drop did you install?

X2 Vibes could be a number of things and you need to find out what is causing the vibes rather than just assuming. Throwing parts at it and praying is not the best or cheapest way to fix the problem.

When do you get the vibes, Taking off, Crusing, Accelerating, Decelerating?

T2000J 04-23-2013 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by janosko9424 (Post 3672500)
Hmmm ok quick question day I did a 3 inch lift had alittle vibes so did the Tcase drop still had vibes after that. Could I throw on a 1 inch BL and a MML. Can you run a MML and Tcase drop at the same time?

Pull the rear shaft and go for a ride .
4 high

janosko9424 04-23-2013 11:32 PM

I haven't installed anything yet hahaha I was just wondering for future knowledge

SAABseanSCANIA 04-24-2013 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by janosko9424 (Post 3675427)
I haven't installed anything yet hahaha I was just wondering for future knowledge

No man, you're doing the right thing and asking the right questions.

But throwing parts at it won't accomplish doing it on a budget. Some people will say "just get it all at once" and well, that's fine for them. I do everything piece by piece; my TJ isn't my only toy and only 1 of the vehicles listed below...and all aren't listed! So spending a massive amount right off the bat without feeling it out first doesn't make sense. I mentioned I have the Zone 4.25 combo kit, my SYE/CV is in the mail, and I'm holding off on rear UCA/LCA until I determine my pinion & DS angles.

Impatience with it all = costly

NOTHING is a guarantee, and literally every jeep is different; so MOST (we all know the exceptions) people saying "you'll need" is almost always a guess based on their truck or "a buddies".

rickgonzales 04-24-2013 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MFsoftball22 (Post 3668755)
. I have 05 TJ with 3" BDS lift 33" tires.

hey man im wanting to go the same way with the lift. i plan on getting the ultimate kit with all adjustable control arms, dual stabilizers and whatnot. and also gettin an sye. is there a certain kit that may be better than others?? and what else would i need for everything to be right as far as mml and stuff. i dont want to do the tc drop because eventually i want to do a tummy tuck as well

homebrwd 04-24-2013 08:24 AM

If you are getting an SYE and Driveshaft you wont need a MML or a transfercase drop.

janosko9424 04-24-2013 08:56 AM

So I've decided to go with the zone 3" lift and it has a bracket for the front track bar that you have to drill a hole with I want to avoid doing that what front track bar should I get? I would like to add a 1" BL later on and an SYE and CV but those will be a while down the road

homebrwd 04-24-2013 09:30 AM

I'm going with the Savvy/Curry front trackbar. Their bend and offset joint should help with differential clearance.

Huelsmma 04-24-2013 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by homebrwd (Post 3676646)
I'm going with the Savvy/Curry front trackbar. Their bend and offset joint should help with differential clearance.

Yeah im debating btwn that and JKS. this dang Jeep better go offroad after i drop all this money into it!!!


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