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Eatapeach 04-24-2013 02:24 PM

'03 Sahara VS 05 Rubicon
 
First venture into a Wrangler... Your suggestions would be welcome
Both bodies/ frames are in great shape,the usual bruises for vehicles these ages.
We won't be doing any hard core wheeling, light trails and the beach at most. And both run and sound as they should. No leaks before or after driving. Exhaust seems the right color. Both ride " we'll"....

03 Sahara , asking $10600, has 105k Miles. Auto. Has had the U bolts and rear seal done.
Excuse my lack of terminology. I'm learning. :)

05 Rubicon , asking 13,800 and already said they're flexile, has 148k. Standard. Don't know much more than that yet.

Any input would be appreciated

yoopone 04-24-2013 02:49 PM

Depends upon how you are going to use them. I have a 97 Sport and an 05 Rubicon. The Dana 44 axles and the fact that you can lock them along with the upgraded transfer case make the Rubicon a better buy for off road. I spent a lot of time and money on the 97 making it act like a Rubicon and I still have more to spend. I use both Jeeps off road in the woods and mud alot. For just Jeeping around town and on the beach as you describe the Sahara would be just fine and it is lower priced and lower miles. But if you ever think in the future you would want the locking axles consider the Rubicon. This is just my personal opinion, I am sure others will have different opinions.

jcrawler93 04-24-2013 02:52 PM

Rubicon all the way, locking axles and D44 axles

Eatapeach 04-24-2013 02:54 PM

I don't even know what locking axles are about.
I saw that today and mean to ask. Though I have read the Dana axles are good

Timberline 04-24-2013 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eatapeach (Post 3677716)
I don't even know what locking axles are about.
I saw that today and mean to ask.

Jerry Bransford explains this very well in the link below;

Why do I need a locker? I thought I had 4WD! - JeepForum.com :thumb:

Eatapeach 04-24-2013 03:19 PM

^ thank you
Think I'll have to read that one more time

Timberline 04-24-2013 03:27 PM

Just know that you can add lockers to the Sahara down the road if you wanted. They aren't cheap but it is an option. The Rubi already comes with them.

Rubicon06Va 04-24-2013 03:33 PM

Rubi for sure! For these reasons, Dana 44 axle, air lockers,

Rubicondon53 04-24-2013 03:37 PM

I'll chime in as well. If for no other reason, a rubicon will always have a higher resale value.

Rubicon06Va 04-24-2013 03:39 PM

Sorry not done! Three years younger and better resell with Rubicon. Better performance, easy to upgrade at Rubi starting point, lifts, larger tires etc

elliszation 04-24-2013 03:41 PM

Rubicon has a upgraded (NV3550) transmission as well as the upgraded (ROC TRAC 241) transfer case. Sahara should have a Dana 44 in the rear. But, the Rubicon has a pair of Dana 44's. Rubicon has factory rock guards too.

Slater451 04-25-2013 12:51 AM

The 05 rubicon has the NSG 370 6 speed does it not??

MarkGLHS 04-25-2013 02:36 AM

there's really not enough info you provided to make a smart recommendation but based on above bang for the buck you might be better off w/ the sahara.

rubicons are the top dog TJ but remember the air-lock feature on the axles can only be used in 4wd low range, so, they will not help you in deep snow or sand where you typically need 4wd high range.

my advise is to not buy either of these until you have looked at many more TJ's just to be sure you are getting a fair deal.

Big Cole 04-25-2013 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eatapeach (Post 3677591)
First venture into a Wrangler... Your suggestions would be welcome
Both bodies/ frames are in great shape,the usual bruises for vehicles these ages.
We won't be doing any hard core wheeling, light trails and the beach at most. And both run and sound as they should. No leaks before or after driving. Exhaust seems the right color. Both ride " we'll"....

03 Sahara , asking $10600, has 105k Miles. Auto. Has had the U bolts and rear seal done.
Excuse my lack of terminology. I'm learning. :)

05 Rubicon , asking 13,800 and already said they're flexile, has 148k. Standard. Don't know much more than that yet.

Any input would be appreciated

That Rubicon is way overpriced for a rig with 148k miles. I saw an 05 Rubicon with under 60k miles on craigslist for $14.9k yesterday. Keep looking and don't settle on a high mileage rig unless the price is commensurate with the miles.

J Rig06 04-25-2013 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkGLHS (Post 3680222)

rubicons are the top dog TJ but remember the air-lock feature on the axles can only be used in 4wd low range, so, they will not help you in deep snow or sand where you typically need 4wd high range.

You can easily do the locker bypass mod to use the lockers in 4-high. It's a pretty common mod.

I agree with Big Cole on this one. Keep looking unless they are willing to negotiate a lot.

jeepinmike 04-25-2013 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eatapeach (Post 3677716)
I don't even know what locking axles are about.

Well, I could say the Rubicon is not for you then... but I can't really fault you for being a newb....everyone started as one.

My opinion, and it's just that, is that if you really don't need the capabilities of a Rubicon, don't buy one. Nothing I can do about it, but it drives me nuts to see a Rubi that never gets used, leave the Rubi's for the guys who will use them.

That being said, you might start out and find yourself hooked and eventually requiring lockers, 4:1 t-case, 4.10's. All stuff you can add to the Sahara, but are standard on the Rubi. But what if you never get to that level, a Rubi would be a waste (IMHO). More than likely, unless you rock crawl 4:1 is too low, and you might only need to lock up one axle or do a limited slip for what you do, and depending on tire size 4:10's might not be much use either as you might need to step up to 4.56 or 4.88's....it is a puzzle, you need to put the pieces together.

homebrwd 04-25-2013 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliszation (Post 3677902)
Rubicon has a upgraded (NV3550) transmission as well as the upgraded (ROC TRAC 241) transfer case. Sahara should have a Dana 44 in the rear. But, the Rubicon has a pair of Dana 44's. Rubicon has factory rock guards too.

Upgraded 3550? The Sahara has the NV3550 in it the Rubi has a NSG370.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slater451 (Post 3680070)
The 05 rubicon has the NSG 370 6 speed does it not??

It does.

Ryman12 04-25-2013 12:42 PM

Im going to have to be the black sheep and say go for the Shahra. Less miles, lower price, and for what your describing you probably don't need a Rubicon. Just my 2c

Eatapeach 04-25-2013 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeepinmike (Post 3681333)
Well, I could say the Rubicon is not for you then... but I can't really fault you for being a newb....everyone started as one.

My opinion, and it's just that, is that if you really don't need the capabilities of a Rubicon, don't buy one. Nothing I can do about it, but it drives me nuts to see a Rubi that never gets used, leave the Rubi's for the guys who will use them.

That being said, you might start out and find yourself hooked and eventually requiring lockers, 4:1 t-case, 4.10's. All stuff you can add to the Sahara, but are standard on the Rubi. But what if you never get to that level, a Rubi would be a waste (IMHO). More than likely, unless you rock crawl 4:1 is too low, and you might only need to lock up one axle or do a limited slip for what you do, and depending on tire size 4:10's might not be much use either as you might need to step up to 4.56 or 4.88's....it is a puzzle, you need to put the pieces together.

This, and the last post,played heavily in us picking the Sahara.
Getting it in 20 min!!!!

Now to research soft tops. I can see there is no end to this Like guitar and fly fishing... The gadgets are limitless


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