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WOKNROX 04-24-2013 06:21 PM

Hight Steer..?
 
Well...I'm finally getting around to my high steer .....I'm gonna burn the midnight oil and get er done ....
just one question ...should I go for heims or just run the traditional one ton rod ends ...?
I'm using one ton steering now and don't have any issue ....
I'm wanting heims but just thought I'd through it out there..
Any and all advice on what to run and possibly the best place shop is most welcome..
Thanx in advance ...

WOKNROX 04-24-2013 07:39 PM

O...and if I go heims I'd like one's I could rebuild ....right..?
Any thoughts ...

josea1952 04-25-2013 09:42 AM

Do you street drive it? I know on the road race forums people tend to steer away from street use on heims due to corrosion etc, I dont necessary suscribe to that though. I guess the idea is if your racing your replacing and inspecting on a more frequent basis. For me it would be whats cheaper and heims in that size with missalignment spacers would be more than just buying the oneton ends that are regreaseable and "sealed" from the outside elements.

WOKNROX 04-25-2013 11:14 AM

Hey...thanx for sharing ur thoughts on this with me....it's to point now that I only drive this jeep to the trail head & maybe to pick up my son from school....even that can be accomplished completely by dirt...lol
I'm not worried about the cost....I'm looking for strength and longevity ....I tend to play purdy hard in the rocks with it....I don't have any issues with the one ton stuff....its just that I'm starting from scratch and wanting to build it strong...

Mavrick243 04-25-2013 12:14 PM

I just read a whole article in Petersen's 4 wheel in the june issue. They said if you are going with heims, you need to mount then in double shear if you can. Otherwise you run the risk of the joint popping off the ball.

WOKNROX 04-25-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavrick243 (Post 3681615)
I just read a whole article in Petersen's 4 wheel in the june issue. They said if you are going with heims, you need to mount then in double shear if you can. Otherwise you run the risk of the joint popping off the ball.

Hey right on....I'll have to dig that mag out of the filing cabinet and reread that article ...
Thanx for the heads up :cool:

highwayman 04-25-2013 12:49 PM

IMO, you'd need to be running serious wheel travel to see the benefits of the addl misalignment of Heims over 1 ton tre's onsteering components on a dollar/pia investment. Possibly with at least a 14" coilover setup. As stated to do it right you should be running a double shear setup. Just my two cents, Steve. But really don't see an issue with 1 ton tre' s bud. Not too mention for maint. they're sealed and have a grease nipple for easy service. Not worth it to me.

WOKNROX 04-25-2013 01:50 PM

Yah...I'm hearin what ur sayin bud....I need to get off the fence ....and do something here...
One tons r kinda ugly when u have a sweet set of flat top knuckles and some fatty tubes .....O man...I need to go wheelin!

highwayman 04-25-2013 04:05 PM

Haha, yeah. Heims definately look great.

WOKNROX 04-25-2013 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by highwayman (Post 3682381)
Haha, yeah. Heims definately look great.

Yah know doubt ...lol
on a side note...I'm glad to see ur buddy Mike on the VV4 wheelers site and the club meetings .....it'll be nice to get him hooked up with those guys ....maybe with some new blood we can spend some more time out at the Hammers this year...

Mavrick243 04-26-2013 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by WOKNROX (Post 3681657)
Hey right on....I'll have to dig that mag out of the filing cabinet and reread that article ...
Thanx for the heads up :cool:

No worries, glad i could be of some help :thumb:

Black Magic Brakes 04-29-2013 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by WOKNROX (Post 3681925)
Yah...I'm hearin what ur sayin bud....I need to get off the fence ....and do something here...
One tons r kinda ugly when u have a sweet set of flat top knuckles and some fatty tubes .....O man...I need to go wheelin!


I'm a function over form sorta person, so how something looks is far less important to me than how it works.

http://justaddrocks.com/ricky%20garza/DSC_3131.JPG

I use what works best for where I need it based on what it has to do.

WOKNROX 04-29-2013 09:38 AM

Hey...I'm definitely on board with that....what do u suggest ....I don't do mud and I prefer rocks...
And I'm ready to order...

Thanx...

highwayman 04-29-2013 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WOKNROX (Post 3682740)
Yah know doubt ...lol
on a side note...I'm glad to see ur buddy Mike on the VV4 wheelers site and the club meetings .....it'll be nice to get him hooked up with those guys ....maybe with some new blood we can spend some more time out at the Hammers this year...

Haha, that turd. Known the guy forever and sees u guys more than me, haha. Sounds good Steve, I'll need to get around on logging in there and would love to catch some meets, bud.

WOKNROX 04-29-2013 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by highwayman (Post 3696764)
Haha, that turd. Known the guy forever and sees u guys more than me, haha. Sounds good Steve, I'll need to get around on logging in there and would love to catch some meets, bud.

Yah u should man....what good days r u good for wheelin...I know ur hours tie u up...
Ive been hooked on this new area in Oro Grande ...the "Point of Rocks" ..that's what they used to call the area back in the 1800s..its frickin bad AZZ! We'll have get out there sometime soon..

Gunner 04-29-2013 03:12 PM

Hi Steve.
I come from a Road Race Background. We pretty much used Heims for everything. But we also considered them a maintenance item. They got replaced as needed. The new ones out now with the high angles they can run would allow them to grow with your build. And yes double shear them when ever you can. They are hard to beat for lightweight and strength. But working life in a dusty environment they will wear out. Just part of wheeling. Buy the best you can afford.
Bob

WOKNROX 04-29-2013 06:13 PM

Thanx for ur insight on this....I think what I'm gonna do is just order up both ..Heims & one tons TREs and figure it out when I'm building it....I can always ues the leftovers on my Willy's Wagon project ...

Black Magic Brakes 04-29-2013 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunner (Post 3697108)
Hi Steve.
I come from a Road Race Background. We pretty much used Heims for everything. But we also considered them a maintenance item. They got replaced as needed. The new ones out now with the high angles they can run would allow them to grow with your build. And yes double shear them when ever you can. They are hard to beat for lightweight and strength. But working life in a dusty environment they will wear out. Just part of wheeling. Buy the best you can afford.
Bob

Bob, what I've learned the hard way over the years is that High Misalignment rod ends don't last very long in steering that sees the rocks. The problem is in order to increase the angularity, the area around the ball that houses the race is much narrower than a normal rod end so that drives up the pressure per square inch of race and they wear quickly.

Inversely, if you use a odd size end instead of a 3/4" shank with a 3/4" bore, use a 7/8-14 shank with a 3/4" bore, the head that houses the race gets larger and subsequently the race area increases with almost no penalty for M/A angle.

I use that one for tie rods quite frequently and rarely wear them out.

Gunner 04-29-2013 08:44 PM

Cool good info Blaine. I wish we had some of this stuff even 20 years ago.

Baja1ab 04-29-2013 09:32 PM

As it has been said above, in a heim vs. rod end challenge, yes, you're gonna find that a rod end generally lasts longer than heim in most scenarios but in your case you mentioned that this isn't a daily driver. Your situation sounds a lot like mine; driven to, on and back from trails and the occasional trip across town just to get it out and enjoy it - correct me if I'm wrong. That said, you can easily make an argument for strength and reliability vs. longevity.

I don't think I saw it mentioned above but based on your avatar pic I'm seeing YJ and guessing perhaps it's SOA? I also didn't see what axle you are running.

Here's my set up, albeit dirty and needing a fresh painting. :rolleyes:

Dana 44, Reid Racing flat top knuckles with Ballistic Fab high steer arms - and to the "size matters" point made above - 7/8" heims all connected with .250 wall chromoly. As you can see it's quite tucked away and with F911 hardware I don't worry too much about the double vs. single sheer, especially since I usually (although not always :whistling:) take the "wheel smarter, not harder" approach.

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...ps73ed2c8f.jpg

JPi4.0 04-29-2013 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Baja1ab (Post 3699057)
As it has been said above, in a heim vs. rod end challenge, yes, you're gonna find that a rod end generally lass longer than heim in most scenarios but in uour case you mentioned that this isn't a daily driver. Your situation sounds a lot like mine; driven to, on and back from trails and the occasional trip across town just to get it out and enjoy it - correct me I I'm wrong. That said, you can easily make an argument for strength and reliability vs. longevity.

I don't think I saw it mentioned above but based on your avatar pic I'm seeing YJ and guessing perhaps it's SOA? I also didn't see what axle you are running.

Here's my set up, albeit dirty and needing a fresh painting. :rolleyes:

Dana 44, Reid Racing flat top knuckles with Ballistic Fab high steer arms - and to the "size matters" point made above - 7/8" heims all connected with .250 wall chromoly. As you can see it's quite tucked away and with F911 hardware I don't worry too much about the double vs. single sheer, especially since I usually (although not always :whistling:) take the "wheel smarter, not harder" approach.

Your last sentence might be a bit of a stretch.

Baja1ab 04-29-2013 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JPi4.0 (Post 3699102)
Your last sentence might be a bit of a stretch.

Ha, ha! :flipoff: What's up Buck?!

WOKNROX 04-29-2013 10:32 PM

Baja1ab thanx for sharing ur insight ....and yes I only really use it for the trails nowadays and for trails a long ways away I trailer it...
For a full description of my jeep click on my garage .....and ya my avatar pic was taken while runnin Sledge Hammer ...I was helping Chuck Shainer remount the memorial plack...good times that day...

Black Magic Brakes 04-29-2013 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WOKNROX (Post 3699353)
Baja1ab thanx for sharing ur insight ....and yes I only really use it for the trails nowadays and for trails a long ways away I trailer it...
For a full description of my jeep click on my garage .....and ya my avatar pic was taken while runnin Sledge Hammer ...I was helping Chuck Shainer remount the memorial plack...good times that day...

Last time I wheeled with Chuck was when him and Dave Cole were leading a Tin Bender Jamboree run up Outer Limits. That was a very long day.

WOKNROX 04-29-2013 11:22 PM

He he....so u know how Chuck wheels lol....he'll take I to the ends of the world and say this is the old trail....the way we use to go...ha ha..
love the guy always a good time with Chuck ...Tim is a cool kat too..

climbit 05-06-2013 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavrick243 (Post 3681615)
I just read a whole article in Petersen's 4 wheel in the june issue. They said if you are going with heims, you need to mount then in double shear if you can. Otherwise you run the risk of the joint popping off the ball.

this piece here ensures that even in single shear, that cannot happen.

3/4"-5/8" Safety Misalignment Stainless - RuffStuff Specialties


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