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turnbull 04-26-2013 09:15 AM

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Hey i heard this rumor that TJs have 3 cats. I know there is one before the muffler. I noticed 2 other devices directly after the header, and i dont know if these are cats or not. I am thinking about getting a universal-fit cat, but i dont know what i should do with these 2 unknown devices.

Here is a pic of what i am talking about:

UnlimitedLJ04 04-26-2013 09:19 AM

if you need to replace the cats, replace all three - as in replace the whole downpipe. Eastern Catalytic, Walker Exhaust and a few others all offer suitable replacements for a reasonable price on RockAuto.

turnbull 04-26-2013 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 (Post 3685377)
if you need to replace the cats, replace all three - as in replace the whole downpipe. Eastern Catalytic, Walker Exhaust and a few others all offer suitable replacements for a reasonable price on RockAuto.

So is replacing just one with a universal and removing the other 2 not an option?

UnlimitedLJ04 04-26-2013 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by turnbull (Post 3685428)
So is replacing just one with a universal and removing the other 2 not an option?

nope. just replace the whole downpipe.

Neil F. 04-26-2013 10:14 AM

Better question is why are you replacing?

vwlos 04-26-2013 11:27 AM

Your O2 sensors are before and after the "mini cats" located right off the manifold. There's no O2 sensors before/after the big cat right before the muffler. Like someone already stated, just buy the "direct fit" complete downpipe from rockauto.

nectoxicdragon 04-26-2013 11:51 AM

there are all kinds of tricks and "games" you can play, but the long and short is don't destroy the original if you are looking for a performance upgrade. Theoretically you could build a 3 inch system using the same basic setup, using 2- 2 1/5 inch cats feeding a 3 inch system as long as you locate your upstream and down stream O2 sensors properly. The big question is will this do what you are looking for, theory and reality are not always spot on. The 4.0 engine has historically been known for substantial efficiency increases when the exhaust is opened up. If you are running a dual O2 sensor system it's easy to get around this setup as the first O2 sensor is near the manifold (in some setups the first O2 sensor is actually IN the exhaust manifold) and the second is right behind the cat tailpipe side. these are easy to deal with. The CARB based emissions systems ( thank you California) have four sensors and these are an issue because readings need to be in balance as well as with in range...
In the end you may just end up putting the original back in place. with a cat back upgrade. Yes there ARE better flowing cats. no question there. the question however is will you gain, as the exhaust flow is engine speed specific, you will only gain significant power if you are running engine speeds over 4 grand... but by allowing easier exhaust flow you do allow a cooler running engine which theoretically will increase fuel mileage, but again theory and reality don't always go hand in hand.

turnbull 04-26-2013 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil F. (Post 3685582)
Better question is why are you replacing?

I'm not replacing it yet, i'm just thinking ahead. Eventually I am going to replace the entire exhaust system. I need the extra power and efficiency. Driving 70 through mountains is really dogging me right now.


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