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HRPinDC 04-29-2013 09:17 AM

Safety
 
Hi All-

So I'm all set to buy a 2013 JKUR and my wife finally asks me the dreaded "how safe is this thing" question. We have a 5 year old daughter and since the backseats don't have airbags she's concerned about her safety. I used the old "it's got a full frame versus unibody" response, but IIHS only gives it a marginal rating. Needless to say this did not please my wife. Anyone else have safety concerns for their little ones in the back? Should I be concerned too?

Thanks!

twarner776 04-29-2013 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HRPinDC (Post 3695839)
Hi All-

So I'm all set to buy a 2013 JKUR and my wife finally asks me the dreaded "how safe is this thing" question. We have a 5 year old daughter and since the backseats don't have airbags she's concerned about her safety. I used the old "it's got a full frame versus unibody" response, but IIHS only gives it a marginal rating. Needless to say this did not please my wife. Anyone else have safety concerns for their little ones in the back? Should I be concerned too?

Thanks!

I have a 5 year old son and although the conversation came up I knew I wanted the jeep. A good set of rock sliders can help a little on the side impact. Also since you mentioned you only have one, you can always place in the center. Although ill be honest, we tried the center with our booster seat and it was a no go. the seats are narrow so placing in the center takes from the other 2 areas. Also I did not like how the center seat belt cam across the booster seat so we opted for behind the driver seat.

Not to mention the warning sticker inside the jeep says "the doors and top to this vehicle are meant to protect against the elements not meant to protect against accidents." or something to that affect.

chipmonk66gt 04-29-2013 09:51 AM

I thought the side airbags are dangerous for little ones?

ESP 04-29-2013 09:58 AM

Lift the jeep and put big tires on it so that it sits higher than most vehicles out there. Also, I don't think I would want side air bags exploding into my 5 year old hence, I don't have them with my 5 year back there.

Gbobva 04-29-2013 10:11 AM

At the end of the day, it has to be good for both you and your wife (and of course your daughter). It was painful, but I forwent getting a Jeep until my kids were older (12 + 16). Before that I had to endure a minivan to appease the wife with safety. Just the way it was.

I believe that the huge chuck of lifted steel I have now (with rock rails, and 1/4" steel bumpers) is safer than anything else I have ever driven (HumVee excepted), but I found that there is no reasoning when emotion comes into play. It is one of the concessions to a happy marriage.

On another note tho... I made sure she understood the sacrifice I made by delaying my jeep purchase so that when I did make the move I had the ace card in the hole allowing me to get the jeep I wanted, and I have never heard peep one about any mod.

legitposter 04-29-2013 10:12 AM

I trust the wrangler to my dog's lives and that's really saying something!

MTH 04-29-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by HRPinDC (Post 3695839)
Hi All-

So I'm all set to buy a 2013 JKUR and my wife finally asks me the dreaded "how safe is this thing" question.

Wranglers meet whatever the minimum standards are. As to going above and beyond, they perform better than some vehicles in the classic crash tests, but not as well as others.

Wranglers also possess or have the ability to get modded to possess some safety benefits that are harder to quantify. Jeeps are heavier than passenger cars, and weight matters. A lift makes you more visible and offers better visibility. At stock height and certainly with a lift, typical sedans hitting you mostly go under you, versus into you. Steel side rails can add another layer of side impact sturdiness. Larger tires outside of your fender flares make it almost impossible to actually side swipe the jeep itself rather than the tires. Etc.

But the end of the day, how many of us really only buy the safest vehicle available? A wrangler certainly isn't it, but is whatever else has been sitting in your driveway over the past few years? Have you really ever bought a vehicle exclusively based on its performance in crash tests?

Safety is one factor, but there are others and we all make compromises.

Lbear 04-29-2013 10:45 AM

I am continually amazed at the posts here from Jeepers who have been in real world crashes. Their jeeps fared well while the other car did not. Weight matters. Big tires and rock rails matter. So do solid steel after-market bumpers (most crashes are frontal). The plastic bumpers on most cars are useless above 5 mph. And what about the built in roll cages in Jeeps? My understanding of why you put children in the back seat is to not expose them to an airbag. They are largely protected by the child seat which has built-in side protection with flanges on each side of their head.

Why is your wife focusing on side impacts when that is more unlikely and the facts mentioned here make Jeeps more safe than most other vehicles in important areas? Is it possible she is against getting a Jeep and using this as a pretext? Vans are certainly family-friendly but horror stories abound about people being killed in them.

The foregoing are some of the logical issues. But this is ultimately a personal decision between you and yours where emotions play a big role. Here's hoping that that you and your wife and child will be safe and sound no matter what vehicle you choose. Good luck.:wavey:

ESP 04-29-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Lbear (Post 3696156)
Why is your wife focusing on side impacts when that is more unlikely and the facts mentioned here make Jeeps more safe than most vehicles in important areas?

Wives also focus on why you leave the toilet seat up...

jkjeeper06 04-29-2013 10:56 AM

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A big part of their marginal side impact rating is just that there is a higher likelihood of flipping. It's nothing to worry about and not as easy at the original CJ's(like really original). They don't take into account how they stand after the rollover which frankly is excellent. This is a picture of a member on here who rolled 3 full times at 70mph I believe. Idk of any other car that can do that. I also have a buddy who rolled his tj 7 times and walked away. If you look at the passenger compartment, it looks really square for what it went thru. So yeah side impact rating is marginal but survivability in a bad accident is much higher than other cars

jkjeeper06 04-29-2013 11:00 AM

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...-of-2006-2009/

Keep in mind these are 05-08 vehicles so TJs, which are less safe than JKs and especially 4 door JKs, are mixed In. Looks like its pretty much as safe as one of the most popular minivan-the Honda audessy. And it is safer than the Honda pilot.

For the record, I've beer rear ended twice in my jk and never sustained any damage to the jeep aside from bent hooks/hitches. Great vehicle and I personally think its very safe. If I had kids I'd trust it to keep them safe(I wouldn't take their doors off until they were older tho but that's another debate)

PecosRiver 04-29-2013 11:01 AM

I have a 4 and a half year old granddaughter and I let her drive it whenever she wants. She's never had any problems other than reaching the pedals or releasing the parking brake.

PecosRiver 04-29-2013 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ESP (Post 3696171)
Wives also focus on why you leave the toilet seat up...

You've met my wife then?

jkjeeper06 04-29-2013 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by PecosRiver (Post 3696195)
I have a 4 and a half year old granddaughter and I let her drive it whenever she wants. She's never had any problems other than reaching the pedals or releasing the parking brake.

Haha reminds me of my uncle

whetstone 04-29-2013 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ESP (Post 3696171)
Wives also focus on why you leave the toilet seat up...

I'm glad I married a big girl who is perfectly capable of putting the seat down all by herself!

HRPinDC 04-29-2013 12:44 PM

Hi All- Thanks for the great input and advice. I'm likely to go forward with the purchase despite the marginal ratings. For many of the same reasons you all have identified, I think the Jeep is pretty safe. I also think full-frame vehicles are safer, but that's my opinion and I have no data to back that up. Observations from a few years as a firefighter I suppose. My wife said she's fine with it so long as I think it's safe. She actually bought a Subaru because it was the safest small SUV out there, so her priority is clear. There's no friggen way I'm driving a mini-van and other SUVs bore me. I just don't want to be stupid about this and put my little girl at unnecessary risk. At the end of the day, she's what's most important to me.

relyt 04-29-2013 12:51 PM

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/mos...es-204178.html

Lbear 04-29-2013 02:49 PM

[QUOTE=I just don't want to be stupid about this and put my little girl at unnecessary risk. At the end of the day, she's what's most important to me.[/QUOTE]

That is understandable and commendable. I think from what you have seen here your Jeep will give her reasonable protection. The rest us up to you and the fates. Again, best wishes.

ESP 04-29-2013 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PecosRiver (Post 3696202)
You've met my wife then?

:rofl:

Chipmunk 04-29-2013 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by whetstone (Post 3696331)

I'm glad I married a big girl who is perfectly capable of putting the seat down all by herself!

I won't tell her you said that lmao

gr8fulKID 04-29-2013 08:45 PM

I think that adding steel bumpers, in my opinion, will definitely improve your vehicle when your talking about safety. Think about how many vehicles have steel bumpers... if a Honda civic crashes in the front or back of me, I don't think im worrying about my jeep. I have a front stinger and I always wonder how it would fare in an accident.

HRPinDC 04-29-2013 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by gr8fulKID (Post 3698812)
I think that adding steel bumpers, in my opinion, will definitely improve your vehicle when your talking about safety. Think about how many vehicles have steel bumpers... if a Honda civic crashes in the front or back of me, I don't think im worrying about my jeep. I have a front stinger and I always wonder how it would fare in an accident.

It was just this kind of thinking that got me in trouble with my last Jeep. The guy in front of me was going well below the speed limit in the left lane, so I was tailgating. When he stomped on his brakes to be a smart azz I stomped on the accelerator and hit him. Smashed the heck out of his car and only knocked my license plate off. I was like 18 or 19 and a complete moron, but I figured that's why I had insurance. Now I'm the one asking about safety, go figure.....Parenthood, age and marriage do curious things. Thanks again everyone for the thoughtful replies (and even some of the not so thoughtful ones, they were kinda funny).

HRPinDC 05-01-2013 08:41 PM

Well it's finally go time. I've got two dealers trying to work me a deal. With any luck I'll be enjoying the weekend in my new Jeep.

bc3_Jeep 05-01-2013 09:13 PM

Never mind safety....... did you ever, on a regular basis, try to get kids in and out of a Wrangler????? HUGE PITA......

I did it for 4 years with my 89........PITA

chipmonk66gt 05-02-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bc3_Jeep
Never mind safety....... did you ever, on a regular basis, try to get kids in and out of a Wrangler????? HUGE PITA......

I did it for 4 years with my 89........PITA

4 door makes it better.

whetstone 05-02-2013 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Chipmunk (Post 3698306)
I won't tell her you said that lmao

It's a compliment! She's able to look at the seat, determine if it needs to be adjusted, and act accordingly all by herself. It would appear that alot of girls aren't capable of this feat, judging by the posts I've read. I've never once heard a single complaint about a toilet seat being left up.

the Grouch 05-02-2013 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bc3_Jeep (Post 3708234)
Never mind safety....... did you ever, on a regular basis, try to get kids in and out of a Wrangler????? HUGE PITA......

I did it for 4 years with my 89........PITA

My six year old daughter has no problem getting in and out of mine. She was five when I got the Wrangler. A two door would be more difficult, I will give you that. But a five year old shouldn't have a problem.

As for safety, the Wrangler is one of the least died-in vehicles out there, real life data. And as someone pointed out, you see a lot of posts here from people who rolled them over or got hit and walked without injury. While crash ratings are a good tool, they won't tell the whole story and apparently do not reflect real life experience all the time.

tazoez 05-02-2013 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bc3_Jeep (Post 3708234)
Never mind safety....... did you ever, on a regular basis, try to get kids in and out of a Wrangler????? HUGE PITA......

I did it for 4 years with my 89........PITA

Daughter has been getting in back of 2dr since she was 4. My fat a$$ can do it too. My buddy on the other hand....... Let's just say I laughed my a$$ off to the point my step-father smack me up side the head Gibbs style while asking, "boy, what is wrong with you? I didn't raise you to be like that".

DPForumDog 05-20-2013 10:33 AM

So steel bumpers and get the tallest widest biggest tires to improve safety?

Kennyksu 05-20-2013 10:54 AM

Check the youttuve video on Poison Spyder Rocker Knockers (rock rails). Kid got t-boned and they took all of the impact.

Poison Spyder Rocker Knockers experience - YouTube


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