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TipperD 05-01-2013 05:36 PM

Newbie needs advice on 95 YJ
 
I just got a 95 YJ Rio Grande....I am new to Wranglers, but not to Jeeps. This YJ has 31" Pro Comps on it, I cannot tell if it is lifted or not as I am not familar with the stock suspension, it measures 19.5" at the doors from body to ground, the leaf springs seem flat to me. The skid plate has a spacer in it between it and the frame. any input appreciated. I was thinking of doing a 2,5" Rubicon Express standard lift on it to replace what is there. Ultimately I want to tow behind motor home and use here on the beach. Just looking to make it ride well. It is a rust free and mechanically sound Jeep, although now in NC was in Arizona most of it's life. Thanks

tigerblood 05-01-2013 05:49 PM

pics of shackles/springs/tc drop would help

AV8R 05-01-2013 05:55 PM

31s are hard to fit without a spring or body lift.

The RE lift is a nice lift...

TipperD 05-01-2013 06:42 PM

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hope these help

tigerblood 05-01-2013 06:48 PM

springs look stock, but that doesnt explain the TC drop, and some aftermarket fender flares that obviously help a little with tire clearance

n2trucking 05-01-2013 07:48 PM

I have a 90yj running 31x10.50 15" rims with 2" wheel spacers and never rub with my factory suspension. I want a lift of course but just saying 31's are doable on factory suspension.

I would say you have stock springs for sure.



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Originally Posted by tigerblood (Post 3707455)
springs look stock, but that doesnt explain the TC drop, and some aftermarket fender flares that obviously help a little with tire clearance


Agreed. Maybe the TC drop was for a future plan for a lift but then of course they sold the jeep to TipperD

TipperD 05-01-2013 08:06 PM

That is what I was thinking. The springs seem flat and the shocks I am sure need replacement. If I am going to the trouble of replacing them I mind as well go ahead and do a lift over just going back with stock. I do not plan on any extreme off road, but would like to improve the ride. The tires and rims are almost new, so 1.5 to 2.5 inch lift would help all around. Would like to avoid the SYE CV drive shaft if I can.
Any ideas on this?

Thanks for any help here....

tigerblood 05-01-2013 08:18 PM

RE 2.5 would be a great choice

beardown 05-02-2013 01:52 PM

it looks to me that it's all stock other thn tires and wheels... I have a formula to figure out lift but I will have to dig it up... I thought that 31s can still avoid rubbing, but 32s will, 2.5 inch lift with ome all the way around is what I did with 32s and noticed a lot more thn I expected! not the cheapest route,, I also think that above 33s with 2.5 lift you have to look in to messing with gear ratios,,,, which I want no part of with a daily driver,,

Gothere 05-02-2013 03:00 PM

I have a 95 YJ, initally I put on 31's with no issue, then added about 3' to the lift for 32's. I then got a bad driveline vibe and did a cheap quick TC drop like the one here, my guess is the prior owner had a small lift (extended shackles..or..?) and did the TC drop, when he sold it he might have pulled the lift but left the TC drop....Just a wild guess. All the other components look like they are stock. When you do the 2.5 lift, you at least will be good for the TC drop though.

TipperD 05-02-2013 04:01 PM

Pics of shackles
 
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here are the front and rear shackles...are they stock too?

This jeep was salvage as the rear door was hit and back window broken...maybe the PO was in the process of a lift when he lost it. Or maybe he just went as far as the tires and rims. In any case it needs new suspension.

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tigerblood 05-02-2013 04:08 PM

haha, thats the first ive ever seen someone cut and shorten a stock shackle. I think you hit the nail on the head with it needing new suspension.

Gothere 05-02-2013 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TipperD (Post 3711461)
here are the front and rear shackles...are they stock too?

This jeep was salvage as the rear door was hit and back window broken...maybe the PO was in the process of a lift when he lost it. Or maybe he just went as far as the tires and rims. In any case it needs new suspension.

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Yeah, they look stock to me...

roadyrob 05-02-2013 04:12 PM

looks like a well worn lift of some kind. that last pic isn't a stock spring. 2nd to last pic looks like greaseable bolts.

Gothere 05-02-2013 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by roadyrob (Post 3711502)
looks like a well worn lift of some kind. that last pic isn't a stock spring. 2nd to last pic looks like greaseable bolts.

No, I got to disagree, the shackles are stock, not a 100% on this but at least 99%. When I took my stock shackles off on my 95 YJ they looked the same, got to admit I haven't seen them in years, but I can dig them out and double check. I recall the shackles being made out of cheap pig iron and they came apart in 2 plates.

TipperD 05-02-2013 04:49 PM

Any suggestions on which shackles to use if I do the 2.5 RE lift? It seems there is so much choice in all of this.

roadyrob 05-02-2013 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gothere (Post 3711572)
No, I got to disagree, the shackles are stock, not a 100% on this but at least 99%. When I took my stock shackles off on my 95 YJ they looked the same, got to admit I haven't seen them in years, but I can dig them out and double check. I recall the shackles being made out of cheap pig iron and they came apart in 2 plates.

your right, the shackles are stock and one has been modified like tigerblood said. my comment was about the bolts themselves, they kind of look like greasable bolts but the pic is a little fuzzy so I could be wrong. the spring eye in the last pic has a half wrap, its not a stock spring.

roadyrob 05-02-2013 05:09 PM

crown makes a nice set of boomerang shackles at a reasonable price, you can find them on ebay or crt performance.

Gothere 05-02-2013 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TipperD (Post 3711633)
Any suggestions on which shackles to use if I do the 2.5 RE lift? It seems there is so much choice in all of this.

I did a small lift of an add a leaf 2", then added Con-Ferr extended shackles, i think they are about 4-6" in length, that gave me about a 3-4 inch lift and was fairly cheap...$200 for add a leaf's, and about $75 for the shackles. Now this was done way back in 95/96 so prices have changed and I think Con-Ferr is out of biz. I'm now in the process of redoing the entire lift to a SOA.

If your into doing this on a budget, you can go with extended long shackles (they use to be fairly cheap $$$), I never liked mine due to interfering with approach angles (shackles hitting stuff first before I could get up and over the obstacle) as I live in AZ and rocks get in the way out here. I believe I read you were using this as a beach jeep, which shackles shouldn't be a big problem cruising in sand. Basic rule for lift height when adding long shackles is that you gain half the height of the shackle..ie...4" inch shackle should give you about 2" of lift.

If you got some cash to put into it go with one of the MFG's 2.5" kits, there is an abundance of types and designs which will fit you applications...One good thing is you already have the TC drop installed, you will need it once you go over about 2" in lift.

Hope that helps a little..

Gothere 05-02-2013 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by roadyrob (Post 3711669)
the spring eye in the last pic has a half wrap, its not a stock spring.

No my springs (factory) have that half wrap, it's kind of funky, but those are stock, in fact the pictures look alot like my Heep...One thing I did notice is on the U bolts the outboard u bolt threads extend way down, looks like the PO have definitely been monkeying with it...

TipperD 05-02-2013 06:30 PM

Thanks so much for the great input...gotta love forum for this!....There are a few broken ends on those U bolts as well.....I want to correct all this, I am not looking for extreme off road, want a better ride-- it's rough now....I know it's a Jeep, but the springs make noise and I know it is not 100%. In reading and trying to learn as much as possible here it seems I can do a 2.5...would lean towards the RE standard ... new shackles, but also would consider the Black Diamond 1.5,,,,any thoughts on this?.....As the tires are at about 80% no point in not keeping them and continuing with 31".

tigerblood 05-02-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tigerblood (Post 3707933)
RE 2.5 would be a great choice

haha

beardown 05-02-2013 07:02 PM

those shackles are def stock!!! ome greasables are the best! 110$ though, as far as a 2.5 inch at least,,,

Tarby 05-02-2013 08:49 PM

Here is what mine looked like when I had 31 inch tires, RE 2.5 lift with 1 inch over stock shackles (from RE). Plenty of clearance and nice ride.[IMG]http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/s...3/YJnow011.jpg[/IMG]

TipperD 05-03-2013 05:51 AM

That looks great.....seems like it is the answer, did you have to any other mods to the drive train?...like the fender flares too...

WellsR 05-03-2013 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AV8R (Post 3707307)
31s are hard to fit without a spring or body lift.

The RE lift is a nice lift...

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As bone stock as could be sitting on 31's. No rub anywhere at all

Tarby 05-03-2013 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TipperD (Post 3713854)
That looks great.....seems like it is the answer, did you have to any other mods to the drive train?...like the fender flares too...


No other mods needed...In Pennsylvania, it is illegal to run without flares covering the wheels...stock are fine and no rub with alot of flex with the 31's.

Also, if you want to upgrade later, you can do a 1 inch body lift, extend brake lines, use flat fender flares and throw on some 33's, and it will come out like this...as mine sits now...and no rub...[IMG]http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/s...YJnow010-1.jpg[/IMG]

n2trucking 05-03-2013 10:14 PM

:thumb:

Siffo3012 05-03-2013 10:52 PM

With regard to shackles: make sure you don't overtighten!!!!! I was even warned and I over tightened... Those shackle bolts have to allow the shackles to move so the spring flexes... My jeep rode like a 400 lbs hooker until I figured out my shackles weren't moving. I loosened them and now she only rides like a 200 lbs hooker... :D

WGHyrum 05-04-2013 01:42 AM

Zone Offroad also makes a good set of 1" lift boomerang shackles for a decent price. I have them on my 95 Rio Grand in conjunction with a BDS 2" lift and it rides wonderfully. Great as a dd or offroad.
I would replace those stock springs with something. I really wouldn't do an add-a-leaf judging by the condition my stock springs were in.


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