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scottmphoto 05-05-2013 09:39 PM

Will my 2012 Rubi 2dr tow this puppy?
 
Anyone have experience towing boats? Am I just :crazy:

LINK

Thanks

Scott

ohioviper 05-05-2013 09:42 PM

Im gonna say no but without knowing the weight hard to say for sure.

vacca foeda 05-05-2013 09:58 PM

Well, it's a bay liner, so you only have to tow it once. After it sinks its someone else's problem.

All joking aside, that's probably above the legal 2k lb limit for 2 doors, so while if you're experienced, you'd likely have no problem, it is probably illegal, which raises other concerns if caught or if something happens to happen while towing.

JKBrad 05-06-2013 01:10 AM

I've owner several boats. Used a pickup to tow them all. I'm going to say no on that boat. 19' fiberglass cuddy (bayliner....hope you haven't bought it) with outboard and trailer will prob weigh in around 5k or so with gas and gear. A panic stop would pick up your rear end and jack knife. The only way I'd do dthis is if the amp was a very short distance away (no highway).

If you must tow with your 2 dr, a 16-17 ft aluminum boat would be best. Even then, I wouldn't tow long distances.

Edit, just looked at the link again. It's prob a 4 maybe 6 cylinder chevy with a Volvo Penta outdrive. Run away from it as fast as you can. For just a little more you can get a much higher quality boat. Go to www.thehulltruth.com and get educated

scottmphoto 05-06-2013 01:13 AM

Thanks guys....have not bought it....and don't plan to. But this size in general is what I was looking at. Wish our V6 trucks could tow a little more though!

Billybaldin 05-06-2013 02:19 AM

It's the weight of whatever you're towing vs. the weight of the JK. A JK can pull a lot of weight. The problem is bringing it to a stop. You get anything much over 2k and you won't be towing. You will be getting pushed.

OffRoadWarrior 05-06-2013 11:57 AM

Even if the boat by itself was within the Jeeps tow limits, the water trapped in the hull would push you over, haha!

Joking aside, if it's been taken care of and hasn't been abused it could be a decent boat. Bayliner had some rough years with very shotty build quality. I'm not certain what years they began to turn themselves around. With thin glass in the cockpits I've seen grab handles and seats rip right right out of the deck. Seeing the pics pulled up to the rocky shoreline makes me nervous. Definitely want to look for soft or failing glass up under the bow. Newer ones may be better since at some point they've switched to a wood free and supposedly better mfg process. Still they are one of the least expensive boats new, I imagine this is related to price, quality, and quantity of raw materials used.

OffRoadWarrior 05-06-2013 12:10 PM

The other poster is right about looking at something aluminum. Even the smallest comfortable fiberglass lakeboat, a 16' bowrider would push over 2500lbs with gear and trailer.

The Wrangler is tough to work with. If trying hard to keep the combined boat/trailer weight to a minimum you can look into aluminum trailers. They tend to weight ~50% less than steel in the smaller sizes, 60-75% in big sizes. I had a 25' Baja and reduced the total trailer weight by 1 ton going to aluminum.

BadOleRoss 05-06-2013 05:12 PM

Did a very quick Google search and it looks like the boat itself is right at 1925 lbs. That plus the trailer plus gear will put you over for sure.

Riccochet 05-06-2013 06:20 PM

Get a Tracker. Aluminum, light and not a bad performer with a 60-90hp on the back. Plus you can fish off of it. :)

But, yeah, I wouldn't tow a 19' fiberglass boat with a 2dr Jeep. Go buy a beater S10 or Ranger if you really want to tow something heavier.

Jeeps_and_Boats 05-06-2013 06:34 PM

Is stopping the limitation? I thought trailer brakes took the brunt of the effort.

jp2611 05-06-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeeps_and_Boats (Post 3726450)
Is stopping the limitation? I thought trailer brakes took the brunt of the effort.


In a "perfect world" that would work, where you could ALWAYS slow down easily and with plenty of room....the first time it happens, for whatever reason, that the brake pedal is "Mashed" the weight transfers from being pulled to pushing the JK, before the trailer brakes can work..and even 2K pounds could make it Interesting but imagine if it was even more!!! as was mentioned earlier it can ACTUALLY lift the rear of the Jeep off the ground by the hitch...and you are not stopped yet.....very scary IMO.....

scottmphoto 05-06-2013 08:32 PM

Thanks for the input, guys.....here's the deal. Just looking for a pleasure boat. We don't eat fish (nor do we fish) so that's out. Any recco's for aluminum pleasure open bow boats?

Many thanks

jkjeeper06 05-06-2013 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by scottmphoto (Post 3726985)
Thanks for the input, guys.....here's the deal. Just looking for a pleasure boat. We don't eat fish (nor do we fish) so that's out. Any recco's for aluminum pleasure open bow boats?

Many thanks

Ocean or lake? Personally I'd never buy an aluminum boat but to each his own. I personally just don't like the sound of an aluminum boat on the water. It definitely sounds different. If you are looking at a lake boat look at Sea Ray, Four winns, chaparral, Mariah, checkmate(if you're looking for lots of speed), personally I'd love to pick up a seadoo jet boat(make sure only to get the rotax) but I just bought a jet ski so no go. My family used to have a seadoo when they had a mercruiser 2stroke oil injected. We meticulously took care of it and it consistently broke on us at least once a season. Sold it and bought a four winns and that's been great the new seadoos are reliable tho and they stopped making them in 2012 so you can probably get a deal. A friend of ours has a 17yo four winns with a ford engine and a Volvo Penta out drive. Contrary to an earlier comment, theirs is great even after 1100 hrs.

So if you are looking for a sweet toy do a seadoo jet boat(only rotax)
Or look up my other recommendations and try to find one with a Volvo Penta out drive.

Those are all lake boats. I only jet ski in the ocean so I don't have good recs for that except for one: Boston whaler. But because they are unsinkable(I've tried on one I restored) they are very heavy

scottmphoto 05-06-2013 11:46 PM

Thanks jkjeeper....this would be a lake and river boat (river - Columbia and Willamette).

Scott

Riccochet 05-07-2013 04:49 AM

MirroCraft : Aluminum Fishing Boats,Leisure Boats, Utility Boats

But you are still going to be over weight. Maybe the 16' model with a 40-60hp on it would work.

vacca foeda 05-07-2013 06:49 AM

I had a 17 ft jet boat (sugar sand) that my 2door had no problem pulling. It was right around the 2k weight. If you're looking lake or river, a jet boat would be worth a look

Finsorg 05-07-2013 12:19 PM

Took my 16ft Key Largo (a/b 1100lbs) Redfishin' yesterday-first time on the back of my 2013 sport (6spd manual,3.21). Initially, was planning on a trip to Marathon for Lobster season. After yesterday, I think I'll keep my towing a max of 50 miles. Although I didnt get on a major highway, I never got out of 4th and I felt every 5knt wind gust. At the ramp the Jeep dumped and recovered flawlessly and gripped better than my Hemi Ram. Other drivers here in Florida don't care that you need more room to brake and seem to want a rear end collision! On that note, does anyone make a cattle catcher for JK yet?

scottmphoto 05-07-2013 12:23 PM

Did some youtubing....can't believe this!

BIG BOAT little jeep - YouTube

GI-Jeep 05-07-2013 01:03 PM

Was I the only one who read the title of the thread and immediately thought of National Lampoon's Vacation??

"Do you know what the penalty for animal cruelty is in this state?"

"No sir, I don't."

"Well... its probably pretty stiff."


Actually this is a good question. I was thinking of using my soon-to-arrive-if-I'm-lucky Rubi to tow two jet skis.

285 HP 05-07-2013 02:47 PM

In Michigan we call them Beginner Liner.

von-shep 05-07-2013 05:31 PM

we have a compact pontoon its a qwest .boat motor trailer weighed in at 2200 including gear fuel battery my 2 door tows it fine they make a lighter one but don't have the creature comforts we also have a liberty with a 5000 tow cap we use on longer trips

OffRoadWarrior 05-07-2013 08:14 PM

My favorite trailer boats are Boston Whaler. I once had a 17 Montauk, it handled 4+ ft seas with ease and the dry hull weight is like 700lbs. Of course this is a fishing boat.

Maybe you want to look at those Yamaha, Sea Doo, or similar jet boats? They're light and powerful. Only issue, they're gas pigs. Jets are very inefficient.

scottmphoto 05-07-2013 08:55 PM

Thanks guys! Keep the suggestions coming...I am a boat newb.

jkjeeper06 05-07-2013 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OffRoadWarrior (Post 3731099)
My favorite trailer boats are Boston Whaler. I once had a 17 Montauk, it handled 4+ ft seas with ease and the dry hull weight is like 700lbs. Of course this is a fishing boat.

Maybe you want to look at those Yamaha, Sea Doo, or similar jet boats? They're light and powerful. Only issue, they're gas pigs. Jets are very inefficient.

I'm with you on the whalers. They are excellent boats. Super sturdy and stable. They are made with a foam core so even with a hole in them, they cannot sink they used to do demos where they would put it in the water, cut them in half, and drive away with the half with the engine. I'd recommend a whaler to anyone. They tend to be used as fishing boats, but they do make great family boats too. Just check Craigslist. There are tons out there and not too expensive especially if you don't mind doing a bit of work like varnish, cleaning or a bit of painting

As far as jet boats being gas pigs. They used to be terrible. That's why I can't stress enough not to get a 2 stroke jet boat. My dads old seadoo used to burn almost 10gph(gallons per hour for boat newbs) just cruising. His 50 gallon tank wasn't actually that hard to burn in a day. Now the 4 strokes are much more efficient. They still burn a bit more than prop boats but its closer to the point where it is justifiable

Oh and Boston Whaler made a jet boat for a bit. In your head you'd think "hey that's a good idea. Like the best of both worlds". It's not. They break, they are slow, they ride like crap. The whaler rage was never deserving of the Boston whaler name

jkjeeper06 05-07-2013 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GI-Jeep (Post 3729542)

Actually this is a good question. I was thinking of using my soon-to-arrive-if-I'm-lucky Rubi to tow two jet skis.

It will. I was just towing 1 behind my jeep but its a fairly heavy one (Yamaha FX) it pulled it with ease and I'm on a 3.8L 3.21 rear end. The ski is just over 700 so 2 is about 1500 and a double jet ski trailer is actually pretty light at about 500 pounds. I'd say you're safe

mcgee10 05-08-2013 06:39 AM

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Back to your question on can you tow it.
If you have trailer brakes ( electric brakes) and take it easy then yes you can.
My boat is a 17.5 Smokercraft with a 150 Mercury outboard the boat, motor, trailer and all the gear weights in at around 4000 pounds and I tow it at least once a week all summer and fall. Oh and my boat is aluminum it's a fishing boat and as many rocks I have bounced off in the river fishing walleye I'm glad it is aluminum or I would have some major fiberglass damage.
I tow my boat about 7500 miles a year/ Jeepen and fishen it just doesn't get any better than that.


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