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flynhi4u 05-06-2013 09:29 AM

1/2 door frame question
 
In preparation for our new Softtopper top and new 1/2 door frames and skins I took off the drivers hard top half of the half door of our 99 TJ yesterday. The PO installed a set of hard top half door skins with sliding windows. For summertime driving we want a soft top with soft door uppers. Anyway, I can't find any info on the solid door upper we have. My luck that they have no markings on them. My issue is this. When I removed the hard door uppers I noticed that the hardware that holds them on are kinda like a concrete anchor in that they spread out inside the door when tightened down. I am thinking I am missing a insert of some type that would normally be in the top of the half door as what I am left with is a square hole about 5/8" square on the two back holes. From the looks of the soft top door frames they use round steel rod maybe 3/8" dia. I am not a genius but I am thinking round peg square hole equals problem. The front hole is even better as someone tack welded a 3/8" nut to the whole for the front hold down bolt of the hard door upper to thread into. I have been trying to find a parts breakdown of the half door online but no luck so far. So is there some sort of plastic or nylon insert that goes in the two rear holes on the top of the half door frame for the upper door frame pins to go into? How about the front hole? With the nut welded on ours I was unable to deterring what type of hole was in the door. Thanks in advance.

GoldenSahara00 05-06-2013 09:34 AM

I believe this is what you're after :thumb: :wavey:

Rugged Ridge Part rug11819.15 - Half Door Inserts

flynhi4u 05-06-2013 09:40 AM

That looks like them
 
Many thanks. I did not know what they were called but that looks like the critters I need. Guess I will be grinding the welded on nut off the door so I can install the insert. Will have all summer to figure out what to do to the door to hold the hard half door frames on for next winter.
I am curious, do these inserts just pop in or do I need to remove the interior trim panel to install them?

GoldenSahara00 05-06-2013 09:51 AM

They pop right in. I think you turn sideways and push down, then turn 90 degrees and they pop down in the rest of the way. Something like that. I only know because I had to replace one of mine once upon a time. :thumb: Goodluck cutting the welded nut off, gota love previous owners... :rofl:

flynhi4u 05-06-2013 12:14 PM

Thanks
 
Thanks again, your help is much appreciated.

flynhi4u 05-07-2013 06:38 AM

More questions
 
In doing a search for door inserts I discovered that they make threaded door inserts that the bolts for our hard upper door tops would thread into. If I get a set of new threaded inserts can I still use the soft top doors with them or does the nut in the bottom of the threaded insert keep the rods from the soft door frames from going down into the door far enough? What holds the soft door frames in the door anyway? I don't have a set yet but to me in the pic it looks like they just have three steel rods that go down into the door inserts. Is there no means of retention to them? So many questions.....

GoldenSahara00 05-07-2013 08:56 AM

I know about the threaded inserts, but I am not sure if they are compatible. The soft door uppers just slide down in, that's all that holds them. So yes, no retention.

flynhi4u 05-07-2013 09:28 AM

Well
 
Well if they just slide down into the inserts then I guess if the nuts in the bottom of the threaded inserts hold them up too high them I could modify the bottoms of the pins on the half door soft door frames. Maybe I could cut off the bottom of the pins and weld a smaller diameter rod to it. Then the smaller rod could do down through the threaded insert. Just a thought. Won't know for sure till they get here what I will be faced with. thanks for the info. Will let you know what I figure out.

sevenservices 05-07-2013 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenSahara00 (Post 3728816)
I know about the threaded inserts, but I am not sure if they are compatible. The soft door uppers just slide down in, that's all that holds them. So yes, no retention.

they slide in like said, but can be a pain to get them to slide back out. The trick is to pull all of them up at the same time. If you try to pull one, the others will slightly tip and lock in tight. ...got to pull all of them up together :thumb:

GoldenSahara00 05-07-2013 09:51 AM

Sounds like a plan to me. Or just make the middle insert threaded or something and leave the other two normal, etc. Get a little creative :thumb: let us know if you need anything else.

Water Dog 05-07-2013 09:55 AM

The nuts at the bottom of my inserts that hold the hard door uppers are simply a round internally threaded piece that is only held in place by the four prongs on the insert. In fact, if you push down to hard on the bolt, you run the risk of popping them out, so it would be easy to simply remove the inserts (pry up and turn 1/4 turn) and take out the nuts, then reinsert the inserts when you are ready to use the soft uppers. Here's another source for inserts if you need something other than black. Original Replacement Parts 5FB63RTB - Door Pin Insert in Spice for 87-02 Jeep® Wrangler YJ & TJ - Quadratec here are a couple of pics of mine.

flynhi4u 05-07-2013 11:42 AM

Problem solved!
 
Thanks Waterdog! That is the ticket!:thumb: I will order a set and the nuts. BTW, if you were to put a single wrap of .032 safety wire around the metal tabs that hold in the nuts the chances of pushing the nuts down out of the clips would be greatly reduces. A plastic tie strap would work too, so long as it did not interfere with the insert going back down into the hole. I think safety wire would be a safer bet. Thanks again. This site is AWESOME :dance:
I had actually seen the nuts for sale somewhere but until I saw the pic I was not sure where they went.

flynhi4u 05-07-2013 11:54 AM

Darn nuts
 
I have found tons of the inserts for sale but can't find the page where I saw the nuts that go on the bottom of the inserts. Anyone have a clue who sells them or even a part # for them? Thanks

flynhi4u 05-08-2013 07:35 AM

Still trying to find the nuts that go on the bottom of the door inserts. Anyone have a clue where to find them?

RedSurveyor 05-08-2013 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by flynhi4u (Post 3732767)
Still trying to find the nuts that go on the bottom of the door inserts. Anyone have a clue where to find them?

Did you look in the last place you had them? Haha. Sorry. With a house full of youngsters the opportunity could not be passed up. Did you try quadratec?

flynhi4u 05-08-2013 08:14 AM

Good one Red Surveyor! I never had a set, trying to get a set for our new soft top and doors. I checked Quadratec but they do not carry the nuts, just the inserts. I need the nuts so I can put our half door hard tops on for next winter.

Dualwrangler9209 01-23-2014 09:43 PM

I am having the same problem. I am looking for the threaded type. I have tried to use the type that quadratec sells, and put bolts on them but the metal pins on the bottom are fragile and break off very easily. My '92 had two inserts with threads but they have all broken. Sorry I don't have any answers but i wanted to keep this thread fresh and I hope someone has them.

bucsman76 02-28-2014 08:05 PM

Check out this site. They sell them individually or as a kit. They're expensive but they work great (I have a set).

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