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Enemy 05-07-2013 01:28 PM

What oil and filter
 
Like everything we all have our preferences so I'm curious as to what type of oil and filter you use in your TJ. Ive read everything from Rotella diesel oil to Mobil 1 full syhtnetic. THis will be the first time I change the oil on my TJ which is a 4.0 and has about 112k miles.

Angus Brown 05-07-2013 01:35 PM

I like Mobil 1, it is supposed to hold up well to extreme heat over time, and the 4.0 gets the oil pretty hot, it doesn't take long for that engine to turn fresh oil darker. Several people I know love Amsoil, they say it's as good or better than Mobil 1. I've heard you should run an oil with a higher zinc content after 75K miles on the 4.0, which is probably what the "high mileage" formulas are. I've had good luck with Wix filters, and I know some people like the Purolator PL30001 filter because it's higher capacity and has more media area, but I can't find the Wix equivalent.

I tend to advise people to stay away from Fram. Not sure about their oil filters, but their air filters are horribly restrictive.

adkjoe 05-07-2013 01:38 PM

I use whatever is on sale as far as oil goes. I do however use full synthetic, I don't know how much of a difference it makes but it makes me feel better. I try and stick with Valvoline, Mobil 1, or Pennzoil synthetic if I can.

As for a filter I use either a Mopar, wix, purlator pur one, or whatever other quality filter they have on sale. I try and stay away from Fram, no personal experience but have heard/read many horror stories.

Your going to get as many opinions as there are oil brands so my advice would be to just pick a reputable brand and don't think to much about it.

I have read however that it might not be a good idea to use synthetic in a higher mileage car that has had conventional oil used in it most of it's life. I guess the reason being synthetic oil particles are uniform in size and can leak from small spaces that conventional oil cant. Sounds reasonable but again it's just something I've read.

Enemy 05-07-2013 01:53 PM

Good info, what about oil weights? 5w30, 10w40?

Angus Brown 05-07-2013 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Enemy (Post 3729702)
Good info, what about oil weights? 5w30, 10w40?

The 4.0 calls for 10W-30. If you're in a cold climate, full synthetic is a good way to go, it flows far better at cold temperature than conventional oil.

UnlimitedRubicon 05-07-2013 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Enemy (Post 3729623)
Like everything we all have our preferences so I'm curious as to what type of oil and filter you use in your TJ.


Mobil 1 oil and Mopar filter


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Originally Posted by Enemy (Post 3729702)
Good info, what about oil weights? 5w30, 10w40?


The FSM says

100 temps and lower = 5w30 (preferred)
0 temps and higher = 10w30



I never see freezing temps so I run 10w30.

Enemy 05-07-2013 02:26 PM

Here in NM we will get freezing and 100 temps.

lindel 05-07-2013 02:28 PM

Amsoil, XL 10W30 and their brand oil filter.

WVU Mountainman 05-07-2013 02:33 PM

Pennzoil 10w30 mopar filter. Every 3 k makes me feel good :)

Atthehop 05-07-2013 02:39 PM

I use Quaker state 10w30 and an OEM filter every 3k, 120k and going Strong. No need for anything else. Synthetic is a waste of money. Just change it on a regular basis.

I am sure the synthetic believers will blast me but having been in the automotive business for over 45 years doing the same oil changes on many many vehicles you will not ever change my routine. Old timers are just stubborn.

Cean oil in an engine makes the engine happy to serve you, let it get dirty and it will let you down.

UnlimitedRubicon 05-07-2013 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Enemy (Post 3729829)
Here in NM we will get freezing and 100 temps.


During the same oil change interval?

lindel 05-07-2013 02:40 PM

Probably during the same day!

Harris4627 05-07-2013 02:43 PM

Castrol GTX Mopar Filter.

lynn 05-07-2013 02:46 PM

Mobil 1 High Mileage, and PureOne filter.

Enemy 05-07-2013 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by UnlimitedRubicon (Post 3729888)
During the same oil change interval?

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Originally Posted by lindel (Post 3729890)
Probably during the same day!


Lol, almost the same day. Could be within 2-3 months of eachother. I think im gonna try the high mileage Valvoline and a Mopar filter

Scout0718 05-07-2013 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Harris4627 (Post 3729895)
Castrol GTX Mopar Filter.

X2 same for me.

horsedad58 05-07-2013 03:32 PM

Mobil 1 and purolator filter.

While I won't "blast" our 45 yr automotive veteran for his comments concerning synthetic being a waste of money, I will politely disagree. Synthetics have a long history of being more stable, less likely to sludge, and providing greater lubricity than natural feed stock oils. Synthetics also have the ability to take more shear loading (read: abuse) than natural oils.

Having said that, I will agree if you religiously change oil and filter every 3K, regular oils will do just fine.

Me, I'm not that good and will admit that I have pushed my oil changes out a bit. I ask a lot of my jeep both in terms of off road reliability as well as long road trips across the state. A little extra protection is worth it to me...

Gixxer86g 05-07-2013 04:47 PM

Wix filter, 51085, and Castrol GTX 10w30.

Atthehop 05-07-2013 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by horsedad58 (Post 3730089)
Mobil 1 and purolator filter.

While I won't "blast" our 45 yr automotive veteran for his comments concerning synthetic being a waste of money, I will politely disagree. Synthetics have a long history of being more stable, less likely to sludge, and providing greater lubricity than natural feed stock oils. Synthetics also have the ability to take more shear loading (read: abuse) than natural oils.

Having said that, I will agree if you religiously change oil and filter every 3K, regular oils will do just fine.

Me, I'm not that good and will admit that I have pushed my oil changes out a bit. I ask a lot of my jeep both in terms of off road reliability as well as long road trips across the state. A little extra protection is worth it to me...

Thank you for your consideration. Most people, my children included, are not into regular maintenance as I am. In fact my married daughter still has me doing her oil changes, at my expense, since her husband is not anal like me. Love them both and she does not even bring me a six pack. But she is my hope for a grand child so who cares. It keeps me off the streets.

I do not preach my beliefs to my friends, love them all but they pay for their laziness not me.

And BTW, I have never sludged an engine even after running numerous vehicles over 200k each.

lindel 05-07-2013 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Atthehop (Post 3730352)
Thank you for your consideration. Most people, my children included, are not into regular maintenance as I am. In fact my married daughter still has me doing her oil changes, at my expense, since her husband is not anal like me. Love them both and she does not even bring me a six pack. But she is my hope for a grand child so who cares. It keeps me off the streets.

I do not preach my beliefs to my friends, love them all but they pay for their laziness not me.

And BTW, I have never sludged an engine even after running numerous vehicles over 200k each.

And with regular oil changes and at as short of intervals as you're talking, you won't develop any sludge.

Being a Preferred Customer gives me a price advantage on Amsoil products, to the point that I can get my synthetic motor oil cheaper than I can get the Penzoil that my wife demands for her Jeep.

No, I'm not going to try and talk anyone out of using whatever oil they prefer, other than to suggest a quality, name-brand oil. If someone insists I use a different product, then they need to start buying it for me.

ninjaturtle0 05-07-2013 06:07 PM

Vr1 and wix filter

Bjeep77 05-07-2013 07:58 PM

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A WARNING TO ALL!!!!!! Just had catastrophic engine failure from a Wix filter. My engine had less than 31K and the filter pushed apart after 702 miles driving down I-77 in West Virginia at 3am. In house testing at my shop showed the bead on the outer can failed trashing my engine in my Dodge 1500 in less than 3 miles after failure. Although still able to idle the engine I have a video of the part installed 20 min after the incident after pouring in another 5 quarts of oil to see where the leak was. Wix denies the filter was bad but also confirms the filter was installed correctly. The part number was an 85085 blue Carquest filter made by Wix in Gastonia NC. I write this because the Wix filter that fits on my Dodge 1500 is the EXACT filter for the 4.0 engine in the Jeep and my Comanche. I tested several others and found deficiencies in a few as well. Until Wix finds a cure I would stay clear of Wix filters that cross to this part number.

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Gixxer86g 05-08-2013 05:39 AM

I sell Wix filters all day long and never had a failure. I run Wix filters on all my vehicles, motorcycles included.

I'm pretty sure the Napa silver and your carquest filters are lower end stuff made in China for Wix. Wix produces filters in China to sell under other brand names at low prices. You get what you pay for.

Maybe you should stay clear of CARQUEST.

PedroJr 05-08-2013 07:44 AM

I use penzoil 10w30 oil with Fram ultra tough filter!

Bjeep77 05-08-2013 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Gixxer86g (Post 3732542)
I sell Wix filters all day long and never had a failure. I run Wix filters on all my vehicles, motorcycles included.

I'm pretty sure the Napa silver and your carquest filters are lower end stuff made in China for Wix. Wix produces filters in China to sell under other brand names at low prices. You get what you pay for.

Maybe you should stay clear of CARQUEST.

Wrong. The Carquest blue filters ARE made in Gastonia NC at the Wix factory. Further confirmation of his was three reps from Wix that came to my shop to look at the carnage. Sorry but your info is wrong. Yes they do make filters in china but this isn't one of them. A further investigation to this same phenomena revealed similar issues. Look, I use Wix on all my vehicles., 7 and counting. However, Wix isn't perfect nor is anyone else. They manufacture millions of filters. Chances are that at some point there will be a manufacturing issue. All I am saying is hat I tested my filter and 6 others and 3 of the seven showed the same issue with mine being the worst, and all were bought between November 2012 and April 17th 2013. Just sending out an alert. Wix is willing to settle the situation and reimburse me for the engine once I get the estimate from Dodge for the R&R. No lawyers, no heated debate, just facts and good business practices on both sides.

Gixxer86g 05-08-2013 05:37 PM

Well, I'm glad you're getting it fixed. But I still won't stop using, or promoting Wix. Like I said, I sell these all day long, and we NEVER had a defect come back.

Big Cole 05-08-2013 06:33 PM

I change my oil twice per year and use whatever is on sale at the local pep boys.


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