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Hokieneer 05-07-2013 06:30 PM

Is this a good deal on a welder?
 
I am trying to get into welding and looking at buying my first mig unit, I have done some stick welding in the past but I was just checking if you guys thought this was a good unit to start with and if this was a good deal

welder Hobart 140 + helmet + cart

Thanks for the help

hooper 05-07-2013 07:05 PM

Looks like a good deal to me.

Hokieneer 05-07-2013 07:36 PM

Thanks are hobarts generally good units?

bc3_Jeep 05-07-2013 08:17 PM

Not if you can google.....


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Hokieneer 05-07-2013 08:29 PM

true if it was just the welder but also comes with the cart and auto dimming helmet which is easily another 150 at the least. my main concern is if hobart is a good unit for a first time mig user and is there anything I should watch out for on a used welder? Probably should have asked that first my bad :facepalm:

Jared66 05-07-2013 08:30 PM

Go miller or Lincoln if you want quality. Especially the old Lincoln's.

Mcatt 05-07-2013 08:44 PM

X2 Miller or Lincoln are top of the line. Easy to get parts and I think are more common. I would advise to get a 220 volt welder that will handle up to 1/4 inch steel. Your in the Jeep world now and repairs and fabrication come with the territory. Also ditch the flux core wire it's a pain. Go with Argon mix and standard wire. I have mine set up on a rollaround tool chest with four drawers that I store my clamps, shields, gloves, wire brushes and wire spools in. Everything is in one place. And practice, practice and more practice. Buy a good unit once and be done, you'll lose out trying to trade in a starter unit when you need to upgrade. That's my 2 cents.:hide:

Hokieneer 05-07-2013 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mcatt (Post 3731266)
X2 Miller or Lincoln are top of the line. Easy to get parts and I think are more common. I would advise to get a 220 volt welder that will handle up to 1/4 inch steel. Your in the Jeep world now and repairs and fabrication come with the territory. Also ditch the flux core wire it's a pain. Go with Argon mix and standard wire. I have mine set up on a rollaround tool chest with four drawers that I store my clamps, shields, gloves, wire brushes and wire spools in. Everything is in one place. And practice, practice and more practice. Buy a good unit once and be done, you'll lose out trying to trade in a starter unit when you need to upgrade. That's my 2 cents.:hide:

Thanks for the input I appreciate it, this all got started when I was looking at a set of sliders and realized I was going to be in it for about 1k when it was all said and done so I started looking into it and realized I could start gathering fabricating tools for that kind of money and build it the way I wanted. I have started looking around would this fit the bill Lincoln Electric Easy MIG 180 230V Flux Cored/MIG Welder - 180 Amp Output, Model# K2698-1 - Amazon.com

or think go bigger?

Mcatt 05-07-2013 09:08 PM

It only goes to 3/16 steel, you wont weld 1/4 inch often but the key to good welding is penetration of the weld. I wouldnt trust welding 1/4 inch with a 3/16 setting. A grand is about right to get rolling. Harbor frieght is good for a roll around, their clamps are ok. Vise grip is better but pricey. Flea markets or swap meets are the place to find used clamps. Need c clamps as well. Harbor freight wire brushes are junk. Buy a couple GOOD ones. I have a Miller, 175 or 172. It willdo anything I need it to do, 20 ga sheet metal up to 1/4 plate. If you have the time and funds a welding class is a great help. I use a set of nitrous bottle clamps/brackets to secure the argon bottle to the top of my tool chest.

Hokieneer 05-07-2013 09:59 PM

Ok I think I found one that fits the bill Miller | Millermatic® 211 Auto-Set

I have been looking for classes but in my area but its all 10 month certification classes, I can't seem to just find a basic class so I figure I am going to have to learn on my own. I know a few people who weld so hopefully they can help me out.

BlueRidgeYJ 05-08-2013 06:51 PM

That seems to be a big comprimise, with no stand out features, IMO.

If not going with a big mig, like lincoln 175, miller mm180, ck sytematics mm140 or mm250, etc. used from CL, I would look at a Clarke 130EN (WE6000 for kit w/ cart, bs helmet and bs wire) for 3/16 110V, a WE 6527 160EN for 1/4" 220V, or a WE 6524 180EN for a bit more amperage on 220 (150 max vs 180 max). All under 500$, and not Chinese built (these 3, some Clarkes are cheapo china imports). I know the 180 runs 20%@100% and 30%@85% duty cycles - not sure on the others offhand.

I did hear rumors they were bought by a UK company, or the US affiliate closed its doors or some such - but don't know the whole story. Great CHEAP welder, though. (And Clarke International still is around, the UK parent company)

Hokieneer 05-08-2013 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueRidgeYJ (Post 3734950)
That seems to be a big comprimise, with no stand out features, IMO. Which one the Hobart or the Miller 211?

If not going with a big mig, like lincoln 175, miller mm180, ck sytematics mm140 or mm250, etc. used from CL, I would look at a Clarke 130EN (WE6000 for kit w/ cart, bs helmet and bs wire) for 3/16 110V, a WE 6527 160EN for 1/4" 220V, or a WE 6524 180EN for a bit more amperage on 220 (150 max vs 180 max). All under 500$, and not Chinese built (these 3, some Clarkes are cheapo china imports). I know the 180 runs 20%@100% and 30%@85% duty cycles - not sure on the others offhand.

I did hear rumors they were bought by a UK company, or the US affiliate closed its doors or some such - but don't know the whole story. Great CHEAP welder, though. (And Clarke International still is around, the UK parent company)

:thumb: Thanks I'll check out Clarke and see what they have. Yeah I keep looking at CL and I just can't find much in my are its really small units or full size units for 3-4K

BlueRidgeYJ 05-08-2013 10:09 PM

The Hobart is a good deal for what it is... but you'll quickly find you want more than a 140 model, imo.

The 211 is a split power 110/220 unit, a really nice feature I guess. But when would you actually use it as a hobbiest? I think your money would be better spent on a better miller dedicated to 220 or a simple 110 to learn with. Again, imo.

Moabrubi 05-08-2013 10:30 PM

Hobarts are good welders. They are made by Miller. The Miller 211 is nice but for a guy just welding every now and again the Hobart (220v) is more then enough IMO and are generally cheaper then a Miller or Lincoln.

I have a Hobart 190 and have no complaints. Found it on CL for a real good deal. I've done all kinds of stuff on my Jeep with it from thin to thick.

Hokieneer 05-08-2013 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueRidgeYJ (Post 3735775)
The Hobart is a good deal for what it is... but you'll quickly find you want more than a 140 model, imo.

The 211 is a split power 110/220 unit, a really nice feature I guess. But when would you actually use it as a hobbiest? I think your money would be better spent on a better miller dedicated to 220 or a simple 110 to learn with. Again, imo.

Yeah I quickly realized the 140 was probably not enough for what I am interested in doing. yeah I looked at the dedicated 220's from miller and Lincoln but they are almost double the cost of the 211 and I realize you get what you pay for but from what I have seen people seem to really like miller products regardless of model. Will I use it as a hobbist that is I good question and not really sure to be honest but I want to find a unit that can handle bigger projects if I need it to rock sliders and then possibly a hog smoker!

UnlimitedLJ04 05-08-2013 10:34 PM

I used to have a Hobart 140. Not a bad unit at all, just low powered for some stuff you want to do on a Jeep. Hobart is owned by Miller, and they share a lot of common parts. Miller is higher end because where Hobart gets plastic and aluminum for cost savings, the Miller gets steel and copper. Think of the Hobart as the Honda or Chevy, and Miller as Acura or Cadillac.

I now run a Millermatic 211-Autoset...the cost was painful, but it's a sweet machine, and worth the price. Will run 110V or 220V, so it's flexible for where ever you may need it, but I run it almost always on 220V using a homemade extension cord off the drier plug. It's been one of the best investments I've made in the collection of tools...it's done MIG, flux-core and stainless so far, hopefully I can find an excuse to experiment with aluminum this summer as well.

Hokieneer 05-08-2013 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 (Post 3735884)
I used to have a Hobart 140. Not a bad unit at all, just low powered for some stuff you want to do on a Jeep. Hobart is owned by Miller, and they share a lot of common parts. Miller is higher end because where Hobart gets plastic and aluminum for cost savings, the Miller gets steel and copper. Think of the Hobart as the Honda or Chevy, and Miller as Acura or Cadillac.

I now run a Millermatic 211-Autoset...the cost was painful, but it's a sweet machine, and worth the price. Will run 110V or 220V, so it's flexible for where ever you may need it, but I run it almost always on 220V using a homemade extension cord off the drier plug. It's been one of the best investments I've made in the collection of tools...it's done MIG, flux-core and stainless so far, hopefully I can find an excuse to experiment with aluminum this summer as well.

I'm glad to hear from someone who has a 211, interesting about hobart and miller. Have you done a lot of welding with it? there are a lot of things I want to do with my jeep but I also have some other projects in mind that are probably going to require a large amount of welding (smoker:D) think it can handle something like that?


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