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AverageJK 05-07-2013 10:04 PM

2.5" AEV lift vs Teraflex 2.5" + Monster Trackbar
 
So the AEV kit is roughly $960 now, 2.5" lift. Geometry correction brackets are $99.

AEV 2.5" DualSport XT Suspension System with Bilstein Shocks for 07-13 Jeep® Wrangler Unlimited JK 4 Door with LHD - Quadratec

AEV Conversions NTH20410AD - AEV Geometry Correction Front Control Arm Brackets for 07-13 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec


Teraflex 2.5" is $730 and front trackbar is $244

Teraflex 1251000 - TeraFlex 2.5" Lift Kit with Shocks for 07-13 Jeep® Wrangler Unlimited JK 4 Door - Quadratec

Teraflex 1753418 - TeraFlex Monster HD Forged Front Adjustable Trackbar for 07-13 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK with 0-6" Lift - Quadratec

So we are talking $1060 vs $977. Would you go Teraflex over AEV in this case? Would you add anything additional from Teraflex?

Farnham21 05-07-2013 10:12 PM

Teraflex. Need exhaust spacers for the teraflex but their monster trackbar is amazing and next on my list.

AverageJK 05-07-2013 11:07 PM

I've been pro AEV for months but now I'm leaning toward this teraflex setup. The 3" teraflex is also catching my eye purely because I have the AEV front/rear bumpers and mopar rock rails already.

kjeeper10 05-08-2013 01:13 AM

The only thing I would do different. Go with the kit without shocks and opt for some Rancho 9000's. Rancho has a $100 rebate currently and you can get 4 shocks for $250 or less.
Sell the adopters (shocks) for $50 or so.
I love the TF track bar because its so easy to install/adjust. Strong as hell to :thumb:

AEV control arm brackets may or may not help at 2.5"
Drive it around and if you feel you need them, you can always add later.

whiteyjfm 05-08-2013 01:28 PM

If you are looking for ground clearance then stay away from the drop brackets. You will get hang up on those. If you feel the need to correct the drive line angles, save up some money and go for lower adjustable control arms.

Btw, my vote is for the Teraflex lift. :)

AverageJK 05-09-2013 02:57 PM

Is AEV worth the extra for the difference in spring types? I'm weighed down with bumpers and will have a winch as well.

JKRU2013 05-26-2013 03:30 AM

I too have been looking hard at both of theses systems and there are pros and cons to both. I don't like the idea of giving up OEM control arms to get caster and pinion angle and do not want to be married to the Teraflex poly bushings. On the other hand I don't want to have to source, in the future, the "proprietary valved" shocks that come with AEV system, but the progressive spring may give a better ride. Either system requires changing the front or rear track bar.

For a small lift, I would prefer track bar towers, sway bar link brackets, progressive rate springs, stock shock length, and geometry correction brackets for the front control arms.

That way when you sell it, you just drop off the towers and brackets and install the OEM springs.

Nobody who wants a lifted jeep, wants someone else's lift and not everyone who wants a jeeps wants it lifted.

kjeeper10 05-26-2013 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JKRU2013 (Post 3793577)
I too have been looking hard at both of theses systems and there are pros and cons to both. I don't like the idea of giving up OEM control arms to get caster and pinion angle and do not want to be married to the Teraflex poly bushings. On the other hand I don't want to have to source, in the future, the "proprietary valved" shocks that come with AEV system, but the progressive spring may give a better ride. Either system requires changing the front or rear track bar.

For a small lift, I would prefer track bar towers, sway bar link brackets, progressive rate springs, stock shock length, and geometry correction brackets for the front control arms.

That way when you sell it, you just drop off the towers and brackets and install the OEM springs.

Nobody who wants a lifted jeep, wants someone else's lift and not everyone who wants a jeeps wants it lifted.

What do you mean by this ? " do not want to be married to the Teraflex poly bushings"

The towers you talk about are not intended to perfectly center the axles. They are to correct roll centers The front can't be done (raised) without a flipped drag link. At 2.5" you wouldn't be doing this anyways.

I hate the idea of using OEM track bars in a lifted application. I would strongly advise at least replacing the front track bar for strength and axle center.

JKRU2013 05-26-2013 05:11 AM

These things -

| TeraFlex Suspensions

I would think a track bar tower does a fairly good job centering the axles else why offer it on the rear?

I sure would like to keep all the stock components (on my Jeep, not in a box) without resorting to some sort of spacer rig up.

kjeeper10 05-26-2013 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JKRU2013 (Post 3793619)
These things -

| TeraFlex Suspensions

I would think a track bar tower does a fairly good job centering the axles else why offer it on the rear?

I sure would like to keep all the stock components (on my Jeep, not in a box) without resorting to some sort of spacer rig up.

The flex joints, gotcha. It actually takes less time to swap the LCA's then the drop brackets. But I like what they do and do recommend to anybody.

The rear bracket does center the axle somewhat depending on actual lift height and who's kit you go with (difference the hole is from stock)
For the most part it's for geometry purposes. Roll center is important and the raised bracket helps handling a lot.

You want the rear slightly higher than the front That's why a front is not as critical for lower lifts.
Anything upwards of 4" a drag link flip with track bar axle bracket also raises the front roll center.

I sort of agree with what you're doing, but If I built with the intention on selling my jeep. I would either a) not lift at all b) budget boost/spacer lift.

guppy 05-26-2013 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiteyjfm (Post 3733835)
If you are looking for ground clearance then stay away from the drop brackets. You will get hang up on those. If you feel the need to correct the drive line angles, save up some money and go for lower adjustable control arms.

Btw, my vote is for the Teraflex lift. :)

I gotta say this statement always cracks me up. The drop brackets hang maybe 1.5 inches below the frame. Most all the adjustable lower control arms have a built in angle to help in the drop that they can not provide without it. Aren't you worried about hitting the adjustable lower control arms where the bend down? My bets are that the brackets are less vulnerable to impact than either the stock LCA's or aftermarket adjustable LCA's.
Not saying that it can't happen, cuz we all know any thing can and probably will happen if you use it often enough or hard enough.

Just saying that this argument would be the last or least of my concerns in making the decision on which lift to buy.

I have 2 JKU's. One has the TF 2.5 BB, TF monster adj front track bar and AEV drop brackets.
The other has AEV 2.5 lift.
Both are great setups and drive great.
I was not happy with the TF 2.5 BB until I put the Monster track bar and AEV drop brackets on it. I did track bar and drop brackets at the same time so I can't say which one made the difference or if it was the combo...but it's change to the on road manners were beyond my best expectations. Drives as good or better then a stock JKU.
The AEV lift is great too and I am very happy with it. I personally would not do this lift without the drop brackets. It does leave you with a 2.5" lift that is basically using all stock geometry with all the stock components. Is that a plus or minus? I don't know, opinions on that will certainly vary.

Just my opinion but I think you already have the correct thought process and either one of these lifts are going to make you happy.

Most likely I will try the 3" TF lift my next go around. And there is a good chance my AEV lifted JKU will end up with the TF monster track bar.

Both companies make great products along with many more companies you will find recommended here by others.

TF has "how to" videos on nearly every product they sell. That alone makes them at the top of my list. That and every product I have bought and used from them has been solid quality.

JMO

Silverton34 05-26-2013 10:27 AM

You are not comparing apples to apples. Why would you use the AEV drop brackets on the AEV 2.5" lift and not use it on the Teraflex 2.5" lift? These brackets are in no way lift brand specific. They perform the exact same function on any brand of lift. Why price in a front track bar on the Teraflex and not the AEV?

Silverton34 05-26-2013 10:39 AM

I try my best to stay with the factory stock track bars. It's really hard to beat their strength since they are a solid forged steel unit and the bushings last nearly forever. Most 2.5" lifts don't need changes in track bar lengths when using the rear axle tower unless they are significantly more than the advertised 2.5".

JTPhoto JK 05-26-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Silverton34 (Post 3794089)
I try my best to stay with the factory stock track bars. It's really hard to beat their strength since they are a solid forged steel unit and the bushings last nearly forever. Most 2.5" lifts don't need changes in track bar lengths when using the rear axle tower unless they are significantly more than the advertised 2.5".

Don't count on that front factory trackbar. Mine was OK for a long while but not anymore. the front trackbar flexes at the bow when you turn the wheels. If you are gonna run 35s I suggest running the TF Monster front Trackbar. The rear trackbar has been fine with the relocation Bracket.
AEV drop brackets are not required for the TF 2.5" lift. We have 2 Jeeps with the TF lifts and and number of others in the club that run it and there are no steering issues if the front end is properly aligned.
That being said, my unlimited is on 3.5" springs in the front so I may try the drop brackets just to see for myself.

Silverton34 05-26-2013 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTPhoto JK (Post 3794149)
Don't count on that front factory trackbar. Mine was OK for a long while but not anymore. the front trackbar flexes at the bow when you turn the wheels. If you are gonna run 35s I suggest running the TF Monster front Trackbar. The rear trackbar has been fine with the relocation Bracket.
AEV drop brackets are not required for the TF 2.5" lift. We have 2 Jeeps with the TF lifts and and number of others in the club that run it and there are no steering issues if the front end is properly aligned.

The AEV drop brackets are not required with ANY lift, they just improve the handling of ANY lift.

kjeeper10 05-26-2013 11:28 AM

Check out this video on YouTube: http://youtu.be/Xrlhfooc-Xc

JTPhoto JK 05-26-2013 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverton34 (Post 3794162)

The AEV drop brackets are not required with ANY lift, they just improve the handling of ANY lift.

I'll let you know in a few weeks.

dkeown 05-26-2013 07:22 PM

I installed the AEV dualsport 2.5 with the geometry correction brackets yesterday on my 2012 JKU. The handling is improved over stock with less body roll and front end dive at braking. I am still rolling on stock 17" wheels and tires which I will change out sometime in the future. So far I think this lift works great for what I was looking for.

KurtVW 05-26-2013 07:55 PM

I drove the AEV 2.5" Kit without the brackets for a few weeks, and installed them later (had to do with time available more than any desire to do a test)... Here is what I learned.

The 2.5 AEV kit was really good right out of the box.. HOWEVER I did notice immediately that it was a little twitchy in steering, and it did have a pretty noticeable bump steer.

After the Brackets were installed it was better than OEM suspension. It'd be foolish to spend the money on the AEV kit and then skip the brackets. They cost you about 1 inch of clearance at the LCA attach point, which is close enough to the front axle that its safe to say anyone with a 2.5" lift is probably not doing anything so extreme that it matters...

Sure, its an inch lost.. But really if you're driving that hard off road why are you on a minimal street friendly lift anyhow? I am a trail driver, and I occasionally stick it to my jeep in harder ways, but I'm not a crawler or doing anything outrageous - The kit works great. And on Monday - its a great street rig too.

So I guess what I'm driving at here is that a lot of people go on and on about tiny measurements here and there, and yeah, you can hit that rock. But, honestly, if you can hit the rock that is one inch taller, you can also hit the one that is two inches taller... And you'd be in the same situation either way. The brackets are great geometry - so if you're 80% street and 20% off road (like most), its the correct solution.

LHC30 05-26-2013 10:20 PM

I too, went with the AEV 2/5 kit on our '13 JKUR and love the springs and shocks....The drive was "twitchier" than stock so I was looking hard at the Geo Corr brackets but went with the (much more expensive) Rock Krawler LCA's. I am glad I did - I would have bent the brackets already - and am thinking about the rear LCA's too...

AverageJK 05-26-2013 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LHC30 (Post 3795784)
I too, went with the AEV 2/5 kit on our '13 JKUR and love the springs and shocks....The drive was "twitchier" than stock so I was looking hard at the Geo Corr brackets but went with the (much more expensive) Rock Krawler LCA's. I am glad I did - I would have bent the brackets already - and am thinking about the rear LCA's too...

That's why I opted out of getting an AEV lift.

Silverton34 05-27-2013 05:56 AM

How do you bend the brackets? I've scraped the paint off them and the rest of the suspension wheeling in Moab but with the thickness of the brackets I'm not sure how to bend them.

JTPhoto JK 05-27-2013 12:01 PM

How many degrees Caster is reclaimed with the AEV drop brackets?

jcrawler93 05-27-2013 12:02 PM

Teraflex 1000X >>>>>>>>>AEV

kjeeper10 05-27-2013 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTPhoto JK (Post 3797162)
How many degrees Caster is reclaimed with the AEV drop brackets?

I've heard 4.5-5*

JTPhoto JK 05-27-2013 12:18 PM

Thats interesting.. I just had a look at the drop brackets on their site. They also change the location of the upper control arms as well as the lowers. I was unaware of that.. For $99, might be worth a try and see how much difference they really make.

kjeeper10 05-27-2013 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTPhoto JK (Post 3797191)
Thats interesting.. I just had a look at the drop brackets on their site. They also change the location of the upper control arms as well as the lowers. I was unaware of that.. For $99, might be worth a try and see how much difference they really make.

Do it :)

ZigZagJKU 05-27-2013 01:53 PM

I am researching these kits as well. Not sure if this adds any useful info but here is the parts list for both hase kits from quadratec:

TeraFlex 2.5" Lift Kit with Shocks
$730.99
Front and Rear Coil Springs
Front and Rear Bump Stops
Front and Rear Shocks
Rear Brake Line Brackets
Rear Sway Bar Links
Rear Track Bar Bracket


AEV 2.5" DualSport XT
$959.99
Front and Rear Coil Springs
Front and Rear Bump Stops
Bilstein Shocks
Front and Rear Brake Line Brackets
Custom Rear Track Bar
Rear Axle Side Track Bar Bracket
Front Sway Bar Link Brackets

So not getting into quality of specific parts (which is probably pretty important), for the extra $230 the AEV kit has additional front brake brackets and custom rear track bar.

But Teraflex does get additional points for all of their vidoes :rofl:.

Never2Old 05-27-2013 05:11 PM

I'm one of the many that installed the 2.5" AEV w/ Geo Brackets and have loved the results. The main aspect I was looking for was a lift that would be comfortable to drive, so I opted for the progressive springs, seem to make the most sense to me when looking at the various spring options. I also wanted to increase the clearance and be able to run 35's, last trip to Moab convinced me it was time for change. My jeep is my DD so ride quality was important to me. Good Luck with the decision.

JTPhoto JK 05-27-2013 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZigZagJKU (Post 3797371)
I am researching these kits as well. Not sure if this adds any useful info but here is the parts list for both hase kits from quadratec:

TeraFlex 2.5" Lift Kit with Shocks
$730.99
Front and Rear Coil Springs
Front and Rear Bump Stops
Front and Rear Shocks
Rear Brake Line Brackets
Rear Sway Bar Links
Rear Track Bar Bracket

AEV 2.5" DualSport XT
$959.99
Front and Rear Coil Springs
Front and Rear Bump Stops
Bilstein Shocks
Front and Rear Brake Line Brackets
Custom Rear Track Bar
Rear Axle Side Track Bar Bracket
Front Sway Bar Link Brackets

So not getting into quality of specific parts (which is probably pretty important), for the extra $230 the AEV kit has additional front brake brackets and custom rear track bar.

But Teraflex does get additional points for all of their vidoes :rofl:.

Front brakeline brackets not required. Don't need the custom rear trackbar just the relocation bracket. If anything a monster trackbar for the front would be beneficial for both kits. The factory front trackbar does flex under the stress of 35s.
So for the $230 you save with the TF kit you could buy the TF Monster Trackbar.


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