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lucasbroderick 05-16-2013 10:32 AM

New Jeep owner, looking for advice on lockers
 
So I bought my new Jeep, and am very happy about it. However, the previous owner used his for trails and that was it. While I am not using it as a daily driver, I'll probably have it on the road more than he did. Anyways, here's what we're working with:

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2000 Jeep Wrangler
4.0 5 spd
35in 12.50 Maxxis Buckshot Mudders

Transfercase has had speedo gear changed to compensate for gears and tire size.

4 in Suspension lift 2 in body lift
From sway bar with quick disconnects

Tom Woods drive shafts front and rear

Front
Dana 30 Superior Chromoly axles
Aussie locker
4.88 gears

Rear
Dana 35
Superior Super 35 kit for Dana 35
Detroit Locker
4.88 gears
Rear disk brake conversion kit


My question to you is what would I need to do to make this a little more road friendly? I love having the lockers, but I think something like an ARB locker would more suit my style. Would I need to replace both the front AND rear lockers with ARB to get where I want to be on road driving, or just one or the other? Would I need specific ARB lockers to work with the 4.88 gears? Thanks.

rjdriver 05-16-2013 10:51 AM

I wouldn't put a locker in the rear axle (they don't stand up well?) you'll want to have at least at the minimum a Dana 44 in the rear, the front is ok for a locker I just went through the same thing myself except I went with E lockers and 4.88 it was almost cheaper for me to buy a new G2 rear set up than to buy a used and covert everything myself, as far as the front I rehashed and re geared that myself, I'm working my way back did the front next weekend I will do the transfer case and SYE then I have to cut and redo the spring perches in the back before I sling the new rear end under it..... I also Have to get some adjustable control arms for it too...... There just isn't enough time in the day and as far as money ....well I am so far beyond getting out of it what I have stuck in it ...... you have to do it for the fun of it ........ I saved all my original pieces and at this point I could almost build another TJ from parts ....or it sure looks that way.
Best of luck
Rob

Big Cole 05-16-2013 10:57 AM

You will only need to replace the rear locker unless you drive your rig in the snow on asphalt using 4wd. Don't listen to the previous poster. The super 35 is generally considered strong enough to be locked. The shop installing the ARB will know to purchase the correct locker for your 4.88s

lucasbroderick 05-16-2013 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rjdriver (Post 3761478)
I wouldn't put a locker in the rear axle (they don't stand up well?) you'll want to have at least at the minimum a Dana 44 in the rear, the front is ok for a locker I just went through the same thing myself except I went with E lockers and 4.88 it was almost cheaper for me to buy a new G2 rear set up than to buy a used and covert everything myself, as far as the front I rehashed and re geared that myself, I'm working my way back did the front next weekend I will do the transfer case and SYE then I have to cut and redo the spring perches in the back before I sling the new rear end under it..... I also Have to get some adjustable control arms for it too...... There just isn't enough time in the day and as far as money ....well I am so far beyond getting out of it what I have stuck in it ...... you have to do it for the fun of it ........ I saved all my original pieces and at this point I could almost build another TJ from parts ....or it sure looks that way.
Best of luck
Rob

Well it's got the upgraded rear axle, which from what I read is actually as resilient if not more resilient than the 44.

lucasbroderick 05-16-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Cole (Post 3761511)
You will only need to replace the rear locker unless you drive your rig in the snow on asphalt using 4wd. Don't listen to the previous poster. The super 35 is generally considered strong enough to be locked. The shop installing the ARB will know to purchase the correct locker for your 4.88s

So just that rear detroit locker is what changes the handling in 2wd on pavement? Exactly what I needed to know, thanks.

Big Cole 05-16-2013 11:03 AM

My front locker is invisible on the street in 2wd. I run a rear Detroit and it takes some getting used to. Once you learn the quirks associated with the Detroit you'll probably want to keep it

SuicideSaints 05-16-2013 12:19 PM

If you do not gas it through turns and change up your driving style the detroit is not bad at all. If you really do not like it (it is your Jeep and your decision) and you can afford ARB they are awesome. I run them and love them. I did have a recent o-ring blow in my front diff but it is about $10 in parts and $180 for labor to fix it or free to do the work myself. So far that is the only drawback but I love them anyway. If you do not want air lines OX is a good selectable locker ( I had them on a previous TJ)

While the Dana 35 is stronger with the Super 35 kit to say it is better/stronger than a 44 is just false. The 35 will hold up to a locker until it breaks...... With 35 inch tires it might hold up for a while, if you do not wheel hard it will hold up even longer. Like I said it is ultimately your decision but I would advise against it.

What I would do is search the classifieds for a 44 axle with an ARB already in it then turn around and sell your 35. That will get you the better dana 44 and an ARB in one, just make sure you match up gearing in the rear and front. An arb locker is about $900 then you still need the compressor (some people forget about the cost of this) if you install in your 35.

Either way let us know what you do and how it works out.

lucasbroderick 05-16-2013 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SuicideSaints (Post 3761807)
If you do not gas it through turns and change up your driving style the detroit is not bad at all. If you really do not like it (it is your Jeep and your decision) and you can afford ARB they are awesome. I run them and love them. I did have a recent o-ring blow in my front diff but it is about $10 in parts and $180 for labor to fix it or free to do the work myself. So far that is the only drawback but I love them anyway. If you do not want air lines OX is a good selectable locker ( I had them on a previous TJ)

While the Dana 35 is stronger with the Super 35 kit to say it is better/stronger than a 44 is just false. The 35 will hold up to a locker until it breaks...... With 35 inch tires it might hold up for a while, if you do not wheel hard it will hold up even longer. Like I said it is ultimately your decision but I would advise against it.

What I would do is search the classifieds for a 44 axle with an ARB already in it then turn around and sell your 35. That will get you the better dana 44 and an ARB in one, just make sure you match up gearing in the rear and front. An arb locker is about $900 then you still need the compressor (some people forget about the cost of this) if you install in your 35.

Either way let us know what you do and how it works out.

I appreciate it, I'll probably do what you suggested and search for the Dana 44 axle with an ARB on it already. Good plan.

SuicideSaints 05-16-2013 02:52 PM

Like I said though make sure the gearing matches or regear when you get it (that does get expensive). I know that sounds trivial but I knew a guy that went this route but the rear he bought had 4.56 and his front was 4.10. Not trying to say you are dumb or anything just a word of caution. I have seen some decent deals for fronts and rears here in utah.

lucasbroderick 05-16-2013 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SuicideSaints (Post 3762334)
Like I said though make sure the gearing matches or regear when you get it (that does get expensive). I know that sounds trivial but I knew a guy that went this route but the rear he bought had 4.56 and his front was 4.10. Not trying to say you are dumb or anything just a word of caution. I have seen some decent deals for fronts and rears here in utah.

I hope 4.88 is a common gear ratio?

SuicideSaints 05-19-2013 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lucasbroderick (Post 3762378)

I hope 4.88 is a common gear ratio?

Yep, 4.88 is common for 35s


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