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Dan Fredrickson 05-16-2013 04:38 PM

The Ruffstuff NOT Universal 4 Link Kit!
 
First off I should explain my thoughts so this dosen't sound too strange to you guys.

A few years ago I started seeing brackets that completely disregarded all the rules about Link Suspensions as we knew them to be. The changes that have come to be accepted as the way to do it no longer care about seperation, not vertical or linear. Did those rules change overnight? No, they didn't. What changed was a few companies saw a way to make things easier, for them and the many people that bought into the idea. Now every company making anything for link suspensions has these. Why don't we?

We do not make a combination upper/lower link bracket with 4" (or less) of vertical seperation and no inches of linear seperation. I simply do not agree with it. It certainly makes installations easier but it also limits you to only what you can do using that type of bracket.

Our Link Brackets are not holding you to any pre-determined limits. Our Link Brackets ALLOW you to make your rig work as well as you can design it. Not limiting you in any way. They are not shaped to be pleasing to the eye, they are shaped to give the broadest mounting area which is a much stronger way to do things.

I know I am going to get some flack for this but I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion and this is mine. Anyway here they are, our 4 Link Kits!

For Framed Rigs
http://pics.ruffstuffspecialties.com...g?m=1304950586

This is it, everything in one package for a great price, and not low end stuff just to be cheap either! The kit is wrapped around 8 of our 1.25" Heat & Cryo Treated 78,000lb+ RSL Chromoly Heims with Stainless High Misalignment, Zink Plated Jam nuts, and 1.5" Tube ID Weld Bungs. Not a cartridge type joint in sight and not 7/8" uppers as is becoming common among companies just wanting to have a low price. If you want 7/8" uppers we can swap them out for a lower price but I would remind you torque transfers throughout the system, the only difference is the uppers do not take impact.

The Upper Frame brackets are our 25 degree 5 way Adjustable link brackets. The Lower Frame brackets are our venerable Chassis Link brackets, time tested and proven for optimum performance. All of our lower brackets are ramped for protection.

For the axle end we have our Axle Mount Link brackets and our New Truss that we have refined for additional strength while shedding uneeded pounds. On the Truss we keep it simple with 4 of our 3/8" thick Flat Bottomed Link Tabs. The truss is an option that you can choose to leave out for a $100 savings.

For Tube Chassis Rigs
http://pics.ruffstuffspecialties.com...g?m=1304950590

Everything on the axle is the same as the other but the tube side is different.

The Upper Chassis brackets are our 10-35 Degree 5 Way Adjustable Tube Mount Link brackets. The Lower Chassis brackets are 10-35 Degree 3 way Adjustable Tube Mount Link brackets for optimum performance.

The only choice you need to make is if the Truss needs to span a Large third member (D60, D70, 14 Bolt, Sterling, Eaton, Dodge 9.75, etc...) or a Medium sized third member (Ford 8.8, D44, Ford 9", Toyota, etc...). If you want to make more changes give us a call and we can see what we can do!

These are about 15% less than normal prices...And all kits can be changed to be exactly as you wish, just give us a call ;)

3 & 4 Link Kits - RuffStuff Specialties

Cons_Table 05-16-2013 04:50 PM

Dan, I love your site. Nice to see you on the boards here! My buddies and I will probably be placing quite a few orders with you over the next few months, as we are building a cherokee to race in the EMC at the Hammers :dance:

Back on topic, can you give a little insight on your heims? On these forums, it doesn't seem as common among members to use heims as it is a Johnny joint. I have considered your "kits" a few times, and the only thing that has held me back were the heims just because they seem popular with the guys building just trail rigs...rather than on DD's. How do they hold up for a daily driver? I have just gotten the impression that heims are kind of a "disposable" part...but maybe I am completely wrong. Just looking for some insight on this topic. I appreciate it!

Dan Fredrickson 05-16-2013 07:02 PM

Its not a matter of holding up, its ride quality. Jeeps don't have the best ride to begin with so people like the soft, spongy ride you can get out of the adjustable joints. But to keep up a good ride and make them last you need to adjust them every 1500 miles.


Heims will transfer all the road feel but that is also why they are so good, they don't disguise anything and transfer most of the load to the chassis. They are much more performance oriented.


What we have done is increase their longevity through the Cryo treatment. Pretty much all brands are strong enough as long as they are sized for the application. But if the bearing race wears out they are just as done as if they had bent or broken. Making the race last longer has put them in the long lasting category and yet still be more performance rated.


Because of the give and vibration dampening of the adjustable joints they wear out very quickly when asked to do any hard offroading. They are all poly lined and it just doesn't hold up...

And in the end they are disposable but a good Heim will outlast a great adjustable cartridge joint...

Cons_Table 05-16-2013 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Fredrickson (Post 3763090)
Its not a matter of holding up, its ride quality. Jeeps don't have the best ride to begin with so people like the soft, spongy ride you can get out of the adjustable joints. But to keep up a good ride and make them last you need to adjust them every 1500 miles.


Heims will transfer all the road feel but that is also why they are so good, they don't disguise anything and transfer most of the load to the chassis. They are much more performance oriented.


What we have done is increase their longevity through the Cryo treatment. Pretty much all brands are strong enough as long as they are sized for the application. But if the bearing race wears out they are just as done as if they had bent or broken. Making the race last longer has put them in the long lasting category and yet still be more performance rated.


Because of the give and vibration dampening of the adjustable joints they wear out very quickly when asked to do any hard offroading. They are all poly lined and it just doesn't hold up...

And in the end they are disposable but a good Heim will outlast a great adjustable cartridge joint...

Great info! It may be something worth considering then since I dont plan on the jeep being a daily driver much longer.

Cons_Table 05-16-2013 07:25 PM

A couple more questions on the kit:

-What are the "Hex Head Tube Adapters" that you can upgrade to?

-And...you have the option to have you drill the holes out. Are all of the tabs and brackets blank if you don't select this option?

Dan Fredrickson 05-16-2013 08:27 PM

Here is a Hex Head tube adapter, make them a little easier to adjust.

http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/...ead%20bung.jpg

No on the holes, they are drilled 9/16" or 5/8 where they are threaded...

Cons_Table 05-16-2013 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Fredrickson (Post 3763372)
Here is a Hex Head tube adapter, make them a little easier to adjust.



No on the holes, they are drilled 9/16" or 5/8 where they are threaded...

Awesome! Thank you!

Dan Fredrickson 05-17-2013 05:08 PM

These are one of our bestsellers from the day we released them!

Dan Fredrickson 05-20-2013 11:51 AM

Time to move up to links yet? When its time we'll be ready ;)

Dan Fredrickson 05-22-2013 03:42 PM

There are a great many kit packages out there with some companies idea of how it should be. This is not one of those, we cater to those of you willing to do the research to be able to do it better than some bolt in kit. We give you the tools to make it right for you!

Dan Fredrickson 05-28-2013 10:41 PM

If you are not a handy person I am sure you know someone that is ;)

Dan Fredrickson 05-30-2013 08:26 PM

We have been making these kits for a few years now with about a thousand kits in use. We have been making all the brackets much longer and all are proven to be the best made!

Dan Fredrickson 06-01-2013 11:38 AM

When it is time to step it up and go linked we'll be there for you!

Dan Fredrickson 06-03-2013 03:10 PM

Nothing like a 4 linked Jeep ;)

Dan Fredrickson 06-05-2013 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Fredrickson (Post 3821043)
Nothing like a 4 linked Jeep ;)

And roughly 25% more articulation doesn't hurt either ;)

Dan Fredrickson 06-10-2013 02:26 PM

Time to get next weeks project ordered ;)

Dan Fredrickson 06-23-2013 04:11 PM

A 4 link will improve everything ;)

Dan Fredrickson 06-25-2013 06:02 PM

A fair price for those with the ability to think it through...Bolt on is for the rest ;)

Dan Fredrickson 06-28-2013 12:17 PM

I am asked pretty regularly why we do not provide instructions. First off, this kit could go on any rig. Next is that we are not selling to the masses of followers, our customers will take the time to become able to understand link suspension and how to do it better than a bolt on kit.


Doing the work yourselves is really not the extreme challenge shops put it out to be. That is how they get you to pay so much for the work, by making you believe it is so hard!


Take the time and learn for yourself...

Dan Fredrickson 07-23-2013 11:07 AM

Thinking about ditching the leaf springs, then this is the kit you want!

Dan Fredrickson 08-06-2013 11:47 AM

Thanks for all of the orders this weekend guys!

Dan Fredrickson 08-07-2013 05:00 PM

When you want to do it right!

Dan Fredrickson 08-15-2013 01:16 PM

Quality is always on our mind!

Dan Fredrickson 08-24-2013 01:58 PM

Hope everyone is having a great weekend!

Dan Fredrickson 08-27-2013 09:21 PM

Time to link it up!

Dan Fredrickson 09-04-2013 04:45 PM

Take that next step and link it up!

Dan Fredrickson 09-20-2013 11:09 AM

A 4 link is the common cure to any articulation issue!

Dan Fredrickson 10-02-2013 12:05 PM

Get ready for build season!

Dan Fredrickson 10-11-2013 11:12 AM

Trust me, you don't want to leave home without this kit!

Dan Fredrickson 10-16-2013 01:12 AM

When its time to link it up don't do the bolt on stuff, you can always do better than those "made for the best ride" kits, the performance is what matters!


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