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Oberst Hajj 05-17-2013 12:41 PM

Warn VR10000-s vs. Warn M8000-s vs. Superwinch Talon 9.5i
 
So I am beginning to look at wenches and I think I have narrowed it down to these three winches, Warn VR10000-s, Warn M8000-s and Superwinch Talon 9.5i for my 2012 JKUR.

I know that Warn gets nothing but good praise, but what is the real difference in their VR and Premium series? In the VR line, are you paying more for the Warn name when another company would give as good (or better) performance for the price?

Our Jeep is a family rig and will only be seeing light wheeling on an occasional basis. That said, we want the peace of mind that a winch would give us in case we got stuck (or wanted to pull someone else out).

I don't mind paying for a good winch, but I don't want to spend extra cash just say I have "X brand".

So, based on all of that, what is your thoughts and why?

Oberst Hajj 05-20-2013 12:05 PM

Nothing?

Duckquackers 05-20-2013 12:08 PM

I don't have either of the winches listed but I will tell you I used Smitty back in the day and had issue. I currently have an Engo 10K with synthetic line and it works like a champ, I am 100% happy with it and it kept running when my buddies WARN overheated.

Oberst Hajj 05-20-2013 12:28 PM

Thanks. How many times have you used your Engo and was it under real recovery conditions or “test” conditions?

NC Bear 05-20-2013 01:47 PM

I just bought a 8000 and am happy. The VR10000 is assembled in America, but the VR8000 is assembled in China. $ for $ I'd take the M8000 over the VR series.

Oberst Hajj 05-20-2013 02:36 PM

And why would you take the M8000 over the VR10000?

NC Bear 05-21-2013 05:42 AM

its a premium winch, the VR is not.

Oberst Hajj 05-21-2013 08:21 AM

I know it's got a premium price, lol. But I can't find anywhere that actually tells me what makes it "premium" compared to the VR series.

I'm comparing the M8000-s vs. the VR10000-s because they are closely priced and from NC Bear's post above, they are both assembled in the USA.

Straight from Warn's site:

VR10000-s SPECS/PART NUMBERS
Winch model: VR10000-s
Part number: PN 87840
Rated line pull: 10,000 lbs., (4536 kgs.) single-line
Motor: 12V DC, Series Wound
Electrical controls: Solenoid
Remote Control: Remote switch, 12' (3.7m) Lead
Geartrain: 3-Stage Planetary
Gear ratio: 261:1
Clutch (freespooling): Sliding Ring Gear
Brake: Automatic Direct Drive Cone
Drum diameter/Length: 2.625"/9.0" (6.67cm/23cm)
Weight: 64 lbs. (29.02 kgs)
Rope: Spydura synthetic -- 100', 3/8" diameter (30m, 9.5mm diam.)
Fairlead: Full radius polished aluminum hawse
Recommended Battery: 650 CCA minimum for winching
Battery leads: 2 gauge, 72" (1.83m)
Finish: Powder coat
Warranty: Limited Lifetime


M8000-s SPECS/PART NUMBERS
Winch model: M8000-s
Part number: 87800 (currently not CE compliant)
Rated line pull: 8,000 lbs., (3630 kgs.) single-line
Motor: Series Wound, 12V 4.8 hp, 24V 2.1 hp,
Electrical controls: Contactor
Remote Control: Remote switch, 12' (3.7m) lead
Geartrain: 3-Stage Planetary
Gear ratio: 216:1
Clutch (freespooling): Sliding ring gear
Brake: Automatic mechanical cone
Drum diameter/Length: 2.625"/9.0" (6.66cm/23cm)
Weight: 55 lbs. (25 kgs)
Rope: Spydura synthetic -- 100', 3/8" diam.
Fairlead: Full radius polished aluminum hawse
Recommended Battery: 650 CCA minimum for winching
Battery leads: 2 gauge, 72" (1.83m)
Finish: Argent gray powder coat


From that I can see that the differences are:

Possibly motor horsepower (the VR is not listed)
Electrical controls
Brake

geiman 05-21-2013 01:21 PM

If you can afford the M8000, it's hard to go wrong with it. The contactor electrical controls on the M8000 are enough of a reason out of the three listed for me; at some point I'd like to switch over to contactors on my XD9000.

I wheel with a friend who has an M8000 with synthetic line, and his has never had an issue pulling his two door JK. I haven't seen many issues (really any that I can think of) in person with any of the Warn winches I've been around, but I've seen plenty with other brands. I'm certainly no 50 year old veteran of the trails that have seen countless vehicle recoveries, but in the 5 or 6 years I've been wheeling, I have managed to see enough cheap winches fail to know I don't want one. That says something...

NC Bear 05-21-2013 02:30 PM

The difference is all the parts from the VR is "outsourced"

you have better electrical componets as well as more horsey power and pulling power (torque) on the M8000. (horse power and torque = line speed

The M8000 is the way to go between these 2.

Oberst Hajj 05-21-2013 02:37 PM

Thanks geiman. I have the money for the M8000, but whatever I can save on the winch I can put some place else.

I have a JKUR, so I was looking at the 10000 for the extra weight of the 4 door and all the crap we're putting on it and in it. Our Jeep is also the wife's daily driver, so we will not be going on trails that will require winching... this is just for emergencies.

geiman 05-21-2013 02:41 PM

If it were me, I'd probably want a 9K - 9.5K winch for a 4-door JK. But, if it is truly her daily driver that will only need a winch in emergency situations, I highly doubt you'll ever need the extra pulling capacity. Typically you can help drive the vehicle out while your winching so the winch isn't working as hard.

If you're in a situation where the 8K winch isn't enough, you should be wheeling with at least a second vehicle, and they can help pull to lighten the load.

I'd guess you would be fine with an 8K winch, but of course only you can decide what your wheeling dictates.

Oberst Hajj 05-21-2013 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC Bear (Post 3778499)
The difference is all the parts from the VR is "outsourced"

Now that is starting to shed some light on things...

Quote:

horsey power and pulling power (torque) on the M8000. (horse power and torque = line speed
Actually, the VR10000 has a faster line speed @ 8,000 lbs. Not by much, but it does.

Oberst Hajj 05-21-2013 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geiman (Post 3778523)
If you're in a situation where the 8K winch isn't enough, you should be wheeling with at least a second vehicle, and they can help pull to lighten the load.

And that is a good point. We would not be doing any heavy wheeling when out soloing anyways.

Dextreme 05-21-2013 05:08 PM

The M8000 is proven to be a tough and reliable winch...but now I am intrigued by WARN's newer winches that have built in air compressors, as personally I would used the compesssor more often. But I am happy with the M series.

jcrawler93 05-21-2013 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj (Post 3765644)
Our Jeep is a family rig and will only be seeing light wheeling on an occasional basis. That said, we want the peace of mind that a winch would give us in case we got stuck (or wanted to pull someone else out).
why?

Buddy if you're not going to be rock crawling or using it constantly, then don't worry about a premium winch or specifications... Both brands and models are great for you and they should get you out of any situation. It just comes down to your preference. You might just want to get the synthetic rope option if you're willing to shell out a little more cash for safety.

nick50471 05-21-2013 05:31 PM

Buy a Warn 8274 and NEVER worry about recovery again. It will last longer than your Jeep.

jcrawler93 05-21-2013 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick50471 (Post 3779045)
Buy a Warn 8274 and NEVER worry about recovery again. It will last longer than your Jeep.

x2

Warn Industries 05-22-2013 07:01 PM

FYI, the differences between the an M8000 and VR10000 (other than pulling capacity):

-M8000 is faster
-VR has a different motor
-M8000 uses a contactor; VR uses solenoids
-VR has a black finish, M8000 has a silver finish
-Different remotes (M8000 remote is a bit sturdier)

- Andy

Oberst Hajj 05-22-2013 09:13 PM

Andy, thanks for the official reply. A couple of quick questions for you if you would please.

1. Can you tell us where the parts are made and where the winch is assembled for these:

M8000-s
VR8000-s
VR10000-s

2. What hp rating do the VR motors have (it's not listed on your site) and what are the major differences between them.

3. Can the VR series use/be upgraded to the remotes from the other series?

We are only talking about a 30sec difference in time to wind 100' of cable with no load on it (less the more load you put on them), so (for me) the M8000 being faster is not an issue. Neither is the color really (but I do like the black better lol).

I have decided to go with the Warn brand, now I just need to find the best model for me.

Thanks again for your time and help.

Keith

Warn Industries 05-23-2013 10:42 AM

Keith,

The M8000 and VR10000 winches are both assembled here in Oregon. The latest VR8000 models are being assembled in China, but they are not a private-labeled unit. It is our design and the factory only makes winches for Warn. Parts for the M8000 and VR10000 come from both our factory in Oregon as well as top-tier suppliers from around the world. I do not have a parts breakdown by country, however.

All three of the winches you listed use a 4.8 horsepower motor. However, the VR motors are different, as they are not as efficient. Additionally, the gearing on the VR10000 is going to be different than the 8,000 lb. capacity units.

And yes, you can change out the remote on the VR to another one of our remotes, as they're compatible.

- Andy

Oberst Hajj 05-23-2013 10:51 AM

Thanks for the additional info Andy, that really helps out. Is there any way to tell rather a VR was assembled in the US or China? Serial Number perhaps? It may not matter quality wise on the winch, but I'd like to support American workers when I can.

Warn Industries 05-23-2013 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj (Post 3785176)
Thanks for the additional info Andy, that really helps out. Is there any way to tell rather a VR was assembled in the US or China? Serial Number perhaps? It may not matter quality wise on the winch, but I'd like to support American workers when I can.

It will say so on the box label.

- Andy

UgaTyler 03-19-2014 09:28 AM

Old thread but good info!

Xjman1 03-20-2014 10:10 PM

Most definitely. I thought I saw a post earlier where it was said the VR8000 was assembled here in the US of globally sourced parts, some also from here. Now I am really confused??

Mwarfiel 04-10-2014 11:55 PM

Hi Andy - Thanks for the insights and willingness to respond! VR 10,000 4.8 HP motor is different than VR 12,000. What is the HP of the VR 12,000 and is assembled in Oregon?

Mwarfiel 05-23-2014 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mwarfiel (Post 9784922)
Hi Andy - Thanks for the insights and willingness to respond! VR 10,000 4.8 HP motor is different than VR 12,000. What is the HP of the VR 12,000 and is assembled in Oregon?

Turns out all VR winches are now assembled in China. I bought and installed VR 12,000 then removed the wire rope and installed Spydura synthetic. The Spydura is only rated to 10,000 lbs but the stronger motor makes for more efficient winching at lower amp draw. Also mounted control box inside engine compartment and added remote control.


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