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Hokieneer 05-19-2013 04:00 PM

Full-width vs Stubby
 
Ok I am about to pull the trigger on a bumper and am having a dilemma, I really like the protection offered by a full-width bumper and I like the look of a full-width. But I have really started to like the look of stubby bumpers and the more off-roading I do I am really beginning to see the advantages to a stubby. My biggest problem with a stubby is we have A LOT of deer around here (and elk now apparently) and I really like the protection of a full-width, Would a full-width really hinder me offroad? Are there any other positives or negative to a stubby vs a full-width?

Here is what I am Looking at
JCR Full-width
http://www.jcroffroad.com/mm5/graphi...e1_300x200.jpg

JCR Stubby
http://www.jcroffroad.com/mm5/graphi...StngDesc_3.jpg

Poison Spyder Stubby
http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn....jpg?1340106828

mountainneer 05-19-2013 04:42 PM

Check out the Poison Spyder Mid Width....

DJL2 05-19-2013 04:52 PM

Honestly, there are not a huge number of situations the full width will hurt you outside a rock garden - if the boulder is tall enough that the bumper is between your tire and the rock, that's where you lose out a bit. That's a relatively small number of boulders on a relatively small number of trails. If the idea that you won't be able to put your tire on a three+ foot tall rock bugs you, get a stubby. If the 100+ lb weight of a full width bothers you, get a stubby. If you want protection and don't mind the weight, get the full width. If you want the looks (because, honestly, the full width DO look cool), get the full width. My $.02.

Wrangler Wrassler 05-19-2013 04:54 PM

I'm in the same boat man. I'm running the full, but i hunt and fish on some pretty rough country sometime and am considering a stubby as well. My thought was getting the Mopar end caps for now. My only question with that option would be whether I'd lose the airbag sensors or not. It's my DD and normally have a passenger, so safety is paramount to me. Also, 10-4 on the elk. I used to work the strips in WV and KY, we hit a small cow on a haul road in an F-250 service truck with brush guard going around 14 mph. Crazy thing just jumped out in front of us. TOTALED the damn thing. So I am not sure a JK stands a chance no matter what bumper unless you have a considerable amount of clearance bc of the height of the animal.The Poison Spyder would probably be a better choice because of the way the bar points outward, making me believe that in the event of an impact, it'd actually push the animal away instead of up and over. I'd say that the chances of that playing out just like I described are minuscule at best and maybe not even possible, but that's the way I'm figuring it right now.

JTPhoto JK 05-19-2013 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mountainneer (Post 3771751)
Check out the Poison Spyder Mid Width....

To be totally honest I love the look and idea of the stubby, however, after having a small front end collision with a stubby I will now only run full width. With a stubby the front tire took the direct hit resulting in damage to suspension and front diff housing. Had I of had a full width I would have driven away from the accident.

mountainneer 05-19-2013 05:00 PM

If your worried about wildlife this might be a bumper option...This bumper will knock any animal right out of the way...

Rogerg 05-19-2013 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JTPhoto JK (Post 3771790)
To be totally honest I love the look and idea of the stubby, however, after having a small front end collision with a stubby I will now only run full width. With a stubby the front tire took the direct hit resulting in damage to suspension and front diff housing. Had I of had a full width I would have driven away from the accident.

I was driving my TJ when I spun 180 and got in a head on collision with a Honda minivan. I was luckier than you for I came out damage free. What saved me was my stinger bumper but her van looked like it got attacked by a giant can opener! Other than paint chips on the front shackle that was all I can see.

mountaineer
That's a sick bumper !!!

Hokieneer 05-19-2013 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mountainneer (Post 3771751)
Check out the Poison Spyder Mid Width....

I did check those out just not a huge fan, I am kind of an all or nothing type of person :whistling:

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Originally Posted by DJL2 (Post 3771774)
Honestly, there are not a huge number of situations the full width will hurt you outside a rock garden - if the boulder is tall enough that the bumper is between your tire and the rock, that's where you lose out a bit. That's a relatively small number of boulders on a relatively small number of trails. If the idea that you won't be able to put your tire on a three+ foot tall rock bugs you, get a stubby. If the 100+ lb weight of a full width bothers you, get a stubby. If you want protection and don't mind the weight, get the full width. If you want the looks (because, honestly, the full width DO look cool), get the full width. My $.02.

Yeah thats kind of what I was thinking, I wonder if the weight of a bumper and winch is really that noticeable? Around here there are rocks that big but you can usually get around them, the one thing that worries me around here is washed out tree roots but I guess is I get a strong enough full width I can just push up on to them!

Hokieneer 05-19-2013 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrangler Wrassler (Post 3771780)
I'm in the same boat man. I'm running the full, but i hunt and fish on some pretty rough country sometime and am considering a stubby as well. My thought was getting the Mopar end caps for now. My only question with that option would be whether I'd lose the airbag sensors or not. It's my DD and normally have a passenger, so safety is paramount to me. Also, 10-4 on the elk. I used to work the strips in WV and KY, we hit a small cow on a haul road in an F-250 service truck with brush guard going around 14 mph. Crazy thing just jumped out in front of us. TOTALED the damn thing. So I am not sure a JK stands a chance no matter what bumper unless you have a considerable amount of clearance bc of the height of the animal.The Poison Spyder would probably be a better choice because of the way the bar points outward, making me believe that in the event of an impact, it'd actually push the animal away instead of up and over. I'd say that the chances of that playing out just like I described are minuscule at best and maybe not even possible, but that's the way I'm figuring it right now.

Holy Cow!:rofl: yeah I know in the event of a elk or cow the bumper won't really matter but with deer it definitively makes a difference and on the full-width the bar does angle out, That is the main reason I was looking at that one. The sad part about the cow thing is that is far from the first time I have heard that haha same thing happened near my grandpa's except it destroyed a semi! We have so many animal strikes here it is not funny, so far this spring I have heard about a guy hitting a black bear on the highway, a turkey knocking a guy off his motor cycle, and the craziest one was a lady driving down the highway with her sun roof open and having a turkey fly into her car and consequently fighting her a state trooper had to shoot it in her car because they couldn't get it out. I love West Virginia, it is a tad more wild than the rest of the east coast.:D

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Originally Posted by JTPhoto JK (Post 3771790)
To be totally honest I love the look and idea of the stubby, however, after having a small front end collision with a stubby I will now only run full width. With a stubby the front tire took the direct hit resulting in damage to suspension and front diff housing. Had I of had a full width I would have driven away from the accident.

Yeah I like a full width for this and parking lot reasons also

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Originally Posted by mountainneer (Post 3771797)
If your worried about wildlife this might be a bumper option...This bumper will knock any animal right out of the way...

SWEET! can I buy one for a JK or do I have to make it?

Wrangler Wrassler 05-19-2013 06:13 PM

HAHAHAHAHA I heard about the turkey in the woman's car. I live 15 min from the WV and KY stateline here in SWVA and it is def. a different place. I mean between livestock, wildlife and coal trucks we have a bunch of crap to dodge, not to mention the dogs and cats EVERYWHERE! I'm a dog guy, but man you're on the money with that it is interesting. I really think I am going to save up for that full size spyder. I run 285's and don't really have a need to go bigger (yet). That seems like the best option especially since now that WV got their elk zone, and we have some in a pen here about to be released, I am sure I'll be seeing more of them.

legitposter 05-19-2013 06:25 PM

Go full width if you drive this in the streets. Imagine if a kid is in the street - and not in a crosswalk - and you can't stop in time. The full-width, which includes even the plastic stock bumper, will push the kid away. A stubby, however, means your fenders are going to take the brunt of the impact. Worse yet, your wheel or wheel hub could take damage if the impact is great enough.

Also, your insurance can be denied if it is deemed to be damage that a full width bumper, like stock, would have prevented.

Get full-width as it helps push things away and to the side.

Hokieneer 05-19-2013 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrangler Wrassler (Post 3771974)
HAHAHAHAHA I heard about the turkey in the woman's car. I live 15 min from the WV and KY stateline here in SWVA and it is def. a different place. I mean between livestock, wildlife and coal trucks we have a bunch of crap to dodge, not to mention the dogs and cats EVERYWHERE! I'm a dog guy, but man you're on the money with that it is interesting. I really think I am going to save up for that full size spyder. I run 285's and don't really have a need to go bigger (yet). That seems like the best option especially since now that WV got their elk zone, and we have some in a pen here about to be released, I am sure I'll be seeing more of them.

Hahah yeah there is a lot out there in the woods thats for sure and a lot of the county roads around here are much more serious than the "trails" I used to run in Virginia and Florida :hide:. Yeah I checked with jcr and they said I could run 37's with no problem so I think I'm good don't plan on going bigger than that. Does spyder make a full-width? Do you go to rush often? You hear about them opening ivy-branch as part of the Hatfield-McCoy trail for full-size 4x4! There is talk they may open the Hatfield-McCoy system to full-size! that would be over a 1000 miles of trail in our back yard!!!!

Hokieneer 05-19-2013 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by legitposter (Post 3772008)
Go full width if you drive this in the streets. Imagine if a kid is in the street - and not in a crosswalk - and you can't stop in time. The full-width, which includes even the plastic stock bumper, will push the kid away. A stubby, however, means your fenders are going to take the brunt of the impact. Worse yet, your wheel or wheel hub could take damage if the impact is great enough.

Also, your insurance can be denied if it is deemed to be damage that a full width bumper, like stock, would have prevented.

Get full-width as it helps push things away and to the side.

That I did not know that is pretty critical information, Thanks!:thumb:

Wrangler Wrassler 05-19-2013 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hokieneer (Post 3772122)

Hahah yeah there is a lot out there in the woods thats for sure and a lot of the county roads around here are much more serious than the "trails" I used to run in Virginia and Florida :hide:. Yeah I checked with jcr and they said I could run 37's with no problem so I think I'm good don't plan on going bigger than that. Does spyder make a full-width? Do you go to rush often? You hear about them opening ivy-branch as part of the Hatfield-McCoy trail for full-size 4x4! There is talk they may open the Hatfield-McCoy system to full-size! that would be over a 1000 miles of trail in our back yard!!!!

It seems like I have seen one or maybe I dreamt it( damn Ambien). Never been to this rush you speak of. If we do any real wheeling its usually old logging, gas well, strip job roads etc. I've heard talk of the H-M opening up to full size, but we went to the Bobcat a month or so ago after hunting in Montgomery County and had a ball. And yes, the roads we have here that are state maintained are more hardcore than most trails around here. I live on Seven Bridges Road at the top of a ridge here ( I got to name my driveway when they redid the E-911 a few years back) bc we cross 3 drainpipes, two wooden bridges and two concrete bridges to get to the house and its an 800 ft spike in elevation from top to bottom, so I've made a few interesting shortcuts along the way as well.

socal-jk 05-19-2013 08:06 PM

If a kid gets hit by a lifted wrangler.... or any wrangler.... at that point what bumper he gets hit with is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Its not going to matter.

I thought about the same issues before chopping mine and realised that there is only metal about 5" from the crush cans if that. Rest is plastic. The front stubby sits out far enough that hitting something dead on will grab the bumper first by a long shot. If you are worried about it after that, it means you have moved several inches of frame and the vehicle back enough to get at the axle. Meaning the jeep, if not yourself also won't be making it home.

Offset indirect hit. Think head on at corner to corner. Pretty much anybody's worst scenario. At any point with any car this is an instant total if its at street speed anyway as if its a unibody car, truck, etc won't matter. That stamped impact bumper will be worthless. Even a full blown ARB bull bar, while built like a tank, is free floating past the frame and not designed to take that kind of impact. Same can be said for am impact headed towards the front wheel area. If its gonna happen its gonna happen. Yes a deer can crush a car. Short of putting an Aussie trucker cage on the front not much is going to make a difference. You will just be able to pull the bumper off and put it on your replacement JK. Atleast a jeep sits high enough where hopefully it goes under.

JTPhoto JK 05-19-2013 08:07 PM

My fav AEV premium, know to be able to bounce a deer with no damage.
And 2nd photo, contact with a car when you have a stubby. Diff, control arms, shock, inner and outer fenders replaced. Was not drive able.

Beastmaster 05-19-2013 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DJL2 (Post 3771774)
Honestly, there are not a huge number of situations the full width will hurt you outside a rock garden - if the boulder is tall enough that the bumper is between your tire and the rock, that's where you lose out a bit. That's a relatively small number of boulders on a relatively small number of trails. If the idea that you won't be able to put your tire on a three+ foot tall rock bugs you, get a stubby. If the 100+ lb weight of a full width bothers you, get a stubby. If you want protection and don't mind the weight, get the full width. If you want the looks (because, honestly, the full width DO look cool), get the full width. My $.02.

I agree with this, also the full width helps to protect the fender flares. I have a Rampage. If you change your mind, you can do like a friend of mine and cut it down. :angel:

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/att...p;d=1369012022
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/att...p;d=1357909397

Hokieneer 05-19-2013 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrangler Wrassler (Post 3772334)
It seems like I have seen one or maybe I dreamt it( damn Ambien). Never been to this rush you speak of. If we do any real wheeling its usually old logging, gas well, strip job roads etc. I've heard talk of the H-M opening up to full size, but we went to the Bobcat a month or so ago after hunting in Montgomery County and had a ball. And yes, the roads we have here that are state maintained are more hardcore than most trails around here. I live on Seven Bridges Road at the top of a ridge here ( I got to name my driveway when they redid the E-911 a few years back) bc we cross 3 drainpipes, two wooden bridges and two concrete bridges to get to the house and its an 800 ft spike in elevation from top to bottom, so I've made a few interesting shortcuts along the way as well.

Ivy Branch is opening on July 15th! The West Virginia Jeep club (since your in the area JeepinWV.com - Portal shameless plug) is trying to get a big turnout for that its on 119 just before you get to Charleston, I think they have a facebook page, you can go to ivy branch now its just not really marked yet. Rush offroad park is just outside of Ashland, I haven't been there yet but it apparently almost 7000 acres, I am def going to check it out when I get back down south.Rush Offroad :: Home
Your driveway sounds pretty sweet!:thumb:

Hokieneer 05-19-2013 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JTPhoto JK (Post 3772406)
My fav AEV premium, know to be able to bounce a deer with no damage.
And 2nd photo, contact with a car when you have a stubby. Diff, control arms, shock, inner and outer fenders replaced. Was not drive able.

yeah kind of what I am concerned about

Hokieneer 05-19-2013 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmaster (Post 3772444)
I agree with this, also the full width helps to protect the fender flares. I have a Rampage. If you change your mind, you can do like a friend of mine and cut it down. :angel:

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/att...p;d=1369012022
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/att...p;d=1357909397

HAHA that is always an option! :punk:


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