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bmlbrewer 05-20-2013 04:15 PM

Iphone Trail GPS?
 
I've heard a lot of really good things about the Backcountry Navigator app for Android, but I don't have an Android phone. I was looking at the ViewRanger Outdoors GPS for my iPhone. It sounds kind of like the same thing as the Backcountry ap, but before I pay $15 for it, I wanted to see if anyone had used it. If not, is there one for iPhone that you recommend?

CoyoteOn2 05-20-2013 05:24 PM

Don't really know what your knowledge is with GPS systems, (you don't say) and with that thought in mind → → The GPS apps on cell phones, work in conjunction with Satellites and your Cell Service Provider. In other words, if you lose cell service, (as in back country) you lose GPS as well. In other words you need to revert to Maps and Compass use if you get lost. To rely on GPS, your BEST OPTION would be a dedicated GPS Unit such as the Garmin Montana Series. NOT CHEAP BY ANY MEANS,
around $700 for the unit + $100 a chip for any chips you may desire.
NOW THEN TO YOU QUESTION ► ► I'm not familiar with the ViewRanger, BUT I do have MotionX-GPS installed on my I-phone, (FREE APP) and as long as the Phone service is there, and your not in a Tunnel, (needs to see satellites) it works GREAT. LOSE SERVICE----LOSE GPS. It does have a lot of features to the App, like updating your position every 15min via test or e-mail to whomever you choose, so your LAST LOCATION, (with service) is logged so you can be located with greater ease should you have gotten lost, rolled over a Cliff, attacked by a Bear or abducted by an Alien.
Hope I answered some of your Questions ☺ ☺ ☺ :)

bmlbrewer 05-20-2013 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CoyoteOn2 (Post 3775520)
Don't really know what your knowledge is with GPS systems, (you don't say) and with that thought in mind → → The GPS apps on cell phones, work in conjunction with Satellites and your Cell Service Provider. In other words, if you lose cell service, (as in back country) you lose GPS as well. In other words you need to revert to Maps and Compass use if you get lost. To rely on GPS, your BEST OPTION would be a dedicated GPS Unit such as the Garmin Montana Series. NOT CHEAP BY ANY MEANS,
around $700 for the unit + $100 a chip for any chips you may desire.
NOW THEN TO YOU QUESTION ► ► I'm not familiar with the ViewRanger, BUT I do have MotionX-GPS installed on my I-phone, (FREE APP) and as long as the Phone service is there, and your not in a Tunnel, (needs to see satellites) it works GREAT. LOSE SERVICE----LOSE GPS. It does have a lot of features to the App, like updating your position every 15min via test or e-mail to whomever you choose, so your LAST LOCATION, (with service) is logged so you can be located with greater ease should you have gotten lost, rolled over a Cliff, attacked by a Bear or abducted by an Alien.
Hope I answered some of your Questions ☺ ☺ ☺ :)

Thanks. One feature I heard was possible with the backcountry ap was syncing entire regions directly to your phone, so you don't need service, just the satellites so it knows your location. I don't doubt that that's how it is, because one of the features I miss most about my old Nokia was the ability to download your maps for use when you lost service. I just didn't want to buy the ViewRanger and find out that it didn't have that capability.

chevymad 05-20-2013 11:58 PM

I have Trimble Outdoors navigator. There's a free version but you have to pay to get offline mapping. With that it will work with no cell service. I'm still trying to figure everything out, but I have used it to track my path for the day.

bmlbrewer 05-21-2013 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by chevymad (Post 3776972)
I have Trimble Outdoors navigator. There's a free version but you have to pay to get offline mapping. With that it will work with no cell service. I'm still trying to figure everything out, but I have used it to track my path for the day.

Do you know if you can load .GPX files of routes into it? If so, that sounds like what I'm looking for, and I appreciate it. I don't mind buying an app that I'm going to use, but I don't want to pay for one and then find out it doesn't have all the capabilities I'm looking for. Mainly what I'm trying to do with it is be able to import my own routes, but be able to download the region in case something happens and I need to stray from that route and navigate the fastest way off the mountain... Even if I don't have service.

Bostonbarry 05-21-2013 05:42 AM

I use the EveryTrail app for my android and I absolutely love it it links to the website and you can review everything you ride in it tracks it. Also it was like $3.99 and the best part is it shows the trails that have been written in the past so you see everything.

Moabite 05-21-2013 09:42 AM

I'll second the recommendation for the Garmin Montana...but will correct the price. The 600 can be bought for $470 at numerous places. Then you will need to activate Birdseye Imagery for both 24K topo maps (genuine USGS maps) and satellite imagery for $30 each. The $30 is an annual subscription, but if you download everything you need in the first year, you do not need to renew and you do not lose what you have downloaded. There is absolutely no need to buy any "chips" or cards with pre-loaded maps. Garmin's maps suck, anyway.

The Montana 600 is, BY FAR, the best trail GPS available now. I've been teaching land navigation skills to one of the country's busiest search and rescue groups for more than 20 years and have used countless GPS units. The 600 is now my dream GPS. It is infinitely better than any app for any phone or any OEM navigation unit...but it is also more expensive than an app.

bmlbrewer 05-21-2013 04:30 PM

That's my big thing. I can get an ap for $15-$20. Is the Montana $450 better than an ap? Because that's $500 that I could use towards all sorts of other mods.

chevymad 05-21-2013 10:51 PM

Just did a quick search on their forums and it looks like it can do the .gpx. I've never tried. You might ask there or search for info on their forums. You can d/l all kinds of different maps for it too. Mobile apps, printed maps and trip planning tools for outdoor enthusiasts | Trimble Outdoors

Rmcculloch 05-22-2013 12:11 AM

One app I have found that works great in the backcountry is Gaia GPS. You can download topo maps or any maps from their database onto the phone and use it as a normal GPS unit without cell service. I use it extensively while off road and have used it on numerous brush fires (I'm a firefighter) out away from cell service, and it works great. I just figure out the area I'm heading to and download the maps when I'm on a wireless network because the maps are huge files, then I have what I need for the trip. It has worked great for me!

Codysrubicon 05-22-2013 12:23 AM

Check out Avenza. It's a free app and you can download all sorts of maps in PDF form. Most of the maps I use are free and here in colorado, you can download the MVUM maps from the forest service.

bmlbrewer 05-22-2013 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rmcculloch (Post 3780527)
One app I have found that works great in the backcountry is Gaia GPS. You can download topo maps or any maps from their database onto the phone and use it as a normal GPS unit without cell service. I use it extensively while off road and have used it on numerous brush fires (I'm a firefighter) out away from cell service, and it works great. I just figure out the area I'm heading to and download the maps when I'm on a wireless network because the maps are huge files, then I have what I need for the trip. It has worked great for me!

So this would let me change my route and give me the fastest way off the mountain in the even that I lose service? If so, that sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. I guess what I mean is if I route it somewhere like back to my house from up on the mountain, it will give turn by turn type stuff, as long as I have the area downloaded, right?

Rmcculloch 05-22-2013 12:39 AM

No it won't route you, but I just look ahead on the maps and find out what trail I wanna take. I don't think you can find one that will route you without cell service. But I don't use it to route me. I find a trail on the map and then follow that trail. It also tracks your route, you can enter waypoints, and import files into it.

alaska_av8r 05-22-2013 12:39 AM

I have used the Trimble App (gpshuntfish.com) but it is currently only available on the ipad. You can import .gpx files. However, the app that I use crashes quite a bit, and Trimble tech support is horrendous. Not sure if they are going to offer it in an iPhone version.

bmlbrewer 05-22-2013 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rmcculloch (Post 3780572)
No it won't route you, but I just look ahead on the maps and find out what trail I wanna take. I don't think you can find one that will route you without cell service. But I don't use it to route me. I find a trail on the map and then follow that trail. It also tracks your route, you can enter waypoints, and import files into it.

Ah. The only thing that worries me about that is being in a hurry and missing a turn, or taking one route thinking it would be faster than another route (and being wrong). I know my old Nokia Lumia had a turn by turn Navi that you could download maps by state and then import trail maps and stuff, and if downloaded, it would route you without service (Nokia Drive. Used the hell out of that app before I broke the phone and replaced it with the iPhone.). It came standard in the phone, but it was a Nokia ap, so not available on the iPhone. What I wouldn't give to have it back. I was just kind of looking for something similar to replace it.

Moabite 05-22-2013 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bmlbrewer (Post 3779044)
That's my big thing. I can get an ap for $15-$20. Is the Montana $450 better than an ap? Because that's $500 that I could use towards all sorts of other mods.

Living in Moab and working with Search and Rescue, I can say the answer is a resounding yes...definitely worth it. I'm getting ready to buy a second one so I can have one in each vehicle. In my opinion, trusting an app on a phone or tablet is like buying a crossover and hoping it will get you where you want to go rather than buying a real jeep that you know will do the job. But I doubt that most people would use a gps as much as I do so they may not be able to justify the additional cost.

WhiskeyMike 05-22-2013 11:19 AM

I highly recommend the Motion X GPS apps for iOS. They are cheap, you can download maps for when you don't have cell coverage. Sat views from multiple providers. It tracks your path that you can save/share and has great marker/waypoint management.

If you have an ipad, I would get the HD version hands down. The larger screen and control is awesome. But they also have iphone versions. I've got a great ipad Ram mount for the passenger seat and my wife marks points of interest as we go.

I'll never use a dedicated GPS device again.

MotionX® | MotionX News » MotionX-GPS

I also use the iPhone version to track my bike rides for speed, elevation, distance to analyze my longer rides.

Now I'm trying to select a headunit that will mirror the phone or pad. I think I can make it happen with the new pioneers.

trailbehind 05-24-2013 12:07 AM

Gaia GPS and routing
 
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Originally Posted by Rmcculloch (Post 3780572)
No it won't route you, but I just look ahead on the maps and find out what trail I wanna take. I don't think you can find one that will route you without cell service. But I don't use it to route me. I find a trail on the map and then follow that trail. It also tracks your route, you can enter waypoints, and import files into it.

I am one of the developers of Gaia GPS (Andrew). We originally built the app for hiking, but we find people use it a lot for off-roading. In the current version of Gaia, you can create and import routes (we don't have street routing), and get primitive guidance along the routes. Routing in the next version lets you guide to each point in a better way, and gives better stats on the route. The next release also gives Gaia on iPad a nice paneled display at the bottom of the map, that displays routing info and stats, and we think it works well on an iPad mounted on the dash.

Happy to answer any questions! We also have an Android app, but we are in the middle of a big rewrite for that one.

bmlbrewer 05-24-2013 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by trailbehind (Post 3787738)

I am one of the developers of Gaia GPS (Andrew). We originally built the app for hiking, but we find people use it a lot for off-roading. In the current version of Gaia, you can create and import routes (we don't have street routing), and get primitive guidance along the routes. Routing in the next version lets you guide to each point in a better way, and gives better stats on the route. The next release also gives Gaia on iPad a nice paneled display at the bottom of the map, that displays routing info and stats, and we think it works well on an iPad mounted on the dash.

Happy to answer any questions! We also have an Android app, but we are in the middle of a big rewrite for that one.

That's awesome. Thanks for all the info. If I can't find something that can actually work like a GPS Navi that works without service, this seems like the closest I'll get and I'll probably end up going with it. The reviews are pretty good in the app market, and it's always good to be able to have access and talk to a developer.


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