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petercass88 05-22-2013 10:48 PM

bed liner question (newb)
 
Okay so I am really debating doing a bed liner... I have seen lots of great looking bed lined jeeps but I have a complete lack of confidence in myself to do proper prep and proper paint. I am looking to do herculiner roll on. Here are some of my questions:
1. Remove the roll bars?
2. Remove the dash completely to get up the firewall? Or can you get away with taking a smaller brush to it?
2.5. Remove the pedals? (I know to remove the shift boot)
3. How do you keep holes from getting filled such as bolting the seats back in?
4. What kind of sand paper do you use to sand the paint down? Do you sand all the way down to bare metal?
5. I have some surface rust on the drivers side tub, it looks like it may be a bit deeper than the surface but not much - can I just sand it all out?
6. Remove tailgate door and front doors?

I am sure I will have many more questions if I go through with this. I just am not comfortable with my prep and paint skills and I have yet to find a great DIY on it here. Most threads is just a "tadaaaa here is the finished product"

Many thanks in advance!

luebkeb13 05-23-2013 12:26 AM

It depends on how you want it to look. If you want it done the right way and your friends saying "wow, that looks really good" then take your time and do it right. Took me a whole weekend, but it sure looks good.

1. I didn't remove my roolbars when I did it. PITA to paint behind though....I'd take them out if I could do it again.
2. The dash...you want it to look nice? or just get what can be seen? I didn't take mine out, but no biggie, no one sees up there anyways.
2.5 I had no problems going around the pedals with them left on...just be careful here, this ain't no race, take your time. And yes, remove the shifter boot.
3. Keeping the holes from getting filled was pretty easy. I bought 2 rolls of that blue painters tape, rolled the tape back up on itself until it was big enough to fill the hole. Plug the holes, paint, then let it dry till it's tacky. Once tacky, go back and take the tape out of the holes...don't let this stuff dry on the tape or you're screwed!!!
4. I just used sandpaper from Home Depot, think I used 120 grit..you do not need togo to bare metal, just need to scuff the surface...after sanding make sure you vaccumm the whole tub to death, then get your air compressor out and blow it till death, get all that little junk out.
5. This one it totally your call. You want it done right? or half-ass it? If it's surface, then just sand it off, but if it's deeper you may want to go another route.
6. Yes, remove all doors and tailgate. I had my stuff stick to all my rubber seals and it tore every single one of them. Tape off the tailgate, paint, then remove tape once tacky. It was much easier painting the tailgate on top of a workbench then still attached.

Just remember to take your time, it's no race. You really can do an amazing job, this stuff is pretty easy.

c5wagner 05-23-2013 01:04 AM

I'd suggest monstaliner if it's within your budget, herculiner 2nd.

jwink41 05-23-2013 01:25 AM

Just take your time. I highly recommend Monstaliner over Herculiner. I used Herculiner on a truck bed years back. Monstaliner holds up much better. I'm not a pro painter by any stretch of the imagination but a buddy and I were able to knock I out (we rolled it on) with zero issues and it turned out awesome.

petercass88 05-23-2013 08:55 PM

Lueb I really appreciate the details! As far as removing the dash, I have a rusted and leaky windshield which causes water to get behind the dash when it rains. For me doing the bed liner is for preventative measures as opposed to looks so doing it right is really what I am after. I just am debating whether I could do a better job buying it myself and investing the time as opposed to a professional that knows what they are doing.(which will eventually get replaced.. I saw a windshield frame on rock auto for 200 so I might get that and monstaline it right out of the box.)

Monstaliner is definitely within my budget so I will go that route for sure!

I will definitely be removing the roll bar... looks like the coupe's are going to be kicked out of the garage for a little while!

I do have a question on the tailgate... the PO bolted ammo cans to it and sealed the drilled holes with what looks like silicone. That being said I probably wont mess with that unless tailgates are hard to come by if it rusts to bits?

xjrjrx 05-23-2013 09:03 PM

One more thing you might want to do is get some MEK from the hardware store you need it to mix the monstaliner together but it also cleans any oils from the surface that stuff is pretty nasty too make sure you are in a well ventilated area

zombiekilla 05-23-2013 09:19 PM

I just started a thread about painting my exterior with "rhino liner".
I looked p the Monstaliner and OUCH!!!
Nice and pricey... Several of you stated it's worth the extra coin...
Is it tougher, looks better, easier to apply??
I assumed the different products would be pretty close.

petercass88 05-23-2013 09:30 PM

Will definitely get some MEK, thanks for the advice! This tub has many years of gunk all over it and could use the TLC to prep it.

petercass88 05-23-2013 09:50 PM

How many coats of monstaliner do you get out of the 1 gallon kit and will that mess with any fitments such as doors, roll bar, and the dash etc.

jwink41 05-24-2013 09:39 AM

You can easily get two coats on the inside with a gallon. I've done my JK, helped my buddy with his TJ, so I can't imagine you'd have different results. The first coat is the base coat. You'll probably find splotches you missed. When you lay down the second coat it all evens out. It shouldn't interfere with doors.

petercass88 05-24-2013 09:57 PM

Thanks for the info jwink!

jwink41 05-24-2013 10:10 PM

Anytime!

petercass88 05-25-2013 12:44 AM

okay hopefully these are my last questions before I am comfortable enough to at least get the gallon kit on order!!

Are there any tips to how to lay down the coats? I took a youtube stroll and found some videos on what looked like a standard piece of paper and kinda made me nervous... Do you drip it out onto the bed and push it around or do you use the roller pan and goop up the roller to roll it around? In the tutorial they just dripped some onto the paper and spread it around. This being said - what is the easiest way to get to the middle of the bed? Or do you line the outside first and work your way into the middle? Do you wait for the first coat to dry completely and then lay the second coat? It looked like the first coat was still tacky when they went for the second coat.

I noticed there are no good videos of the Monstaliner being applied to an actual bed... (truck, jeep, etc.) Maybe I will have to try my skills with a video camera on this one assuming I am able to do it right from everyone's awesome support!

xjrjrx 05-25-2013 08:47 AM

When I did mine I started in the middle and worked my way out you can reach everything from either the back or sides without trouble and when I did it I used a paint pan with a disposable liner it says not to on the directions but I did anyways it turned out perfect in between coats I put the roller in a plastic bag to keep if from drying up and used it on the second coat three hours later as the directions say make sure you take out any plugs you use for the bolt holes and anything masked off before it cures or you're gonna be very angry

petercass88 05-25-2013 01:15 PM

After 3 hours did you re-mask everything before applying the second coat?

xjrjrx 05-25-2013 01:59 PM

No I did the second coat and took all the masking stuff off right after I was done rolling

Gunz n tractorz 05-25-2013 02:28 PM

Ear plugs are what some people use to plug bolt holes. Seems easier than rolling up tape.

Joshlhicks84 05-25-2013 03:39 PM

I just used monstaliner on the whole outside of my jeep. I bought a gallon and layer it on very thick and had an 1/8 left. The reason I say that is you may think of a few other things you want to paint it with while you have it out. Remove the tape right after you roll it or else it will peel the liner off if it starts to dry.

petercass88 05-25-2013 04:05 PM

So wait... im not getting it... if you pull the masking tape off and hole plugs off after you lay the first coat, do you not re mask and place plugs back in for second coat? (how long after you are done laying the first coat before you remove the masking tape and plugs?) Sorry for my confusion here

Oozing machismo 05-25-2013 04:53 PM

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+1 on the ear plugs. Also, take as much out as you can. You will want to make sure there is no rust hiding. I used Monstaliner and am very happy with the results.

xjrjrx 05-25-2013 06:00 PM

Don't take the masking off till after the second coat it should still be wet after the 3 hours in between coats I pulled the plugs after the first coat and didn't get and inside the holes on the second coat

aphares 05-25-2013 06:04 PM

See my 87 restore thread. Get the monstaliner. Great product. Just did my inside tub with it and purchased the gun they sale.

petercass88 06-01-2013 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Oozing machismo (Post 3792378)
+1 on the ear plugs. Also, take as much out as you can. You will want to make sure there is no rust hiding. I used Monstaliner and am very happy with the results.


thank you for the info! I have the same color jeep as you - tan inside red outside. I have a buddy coming over to help me remove the dash. I am going to remove the seats and roll bar, doors, etc so i can get as much out as possible. Did you strip the red paint in the tub or just scuff it? I am planning to do bedliner out the outside as well and some say you can just scuff and cover some say you have to sand it down and prime. Its bedliner that goes on thick so my first assumption is whatever paint was below wouldnt be visible after two coats...

petercass88 06-01-2013 10:05 PM

Okay i have more stupid questions as i dive right in...

How the heck do i remove the shift boot?? On my volvo you just twist the knob off but these wont budge so i unbolted the whole plate hoping the bottom of the shifters has a bolt i could undo but i am coming up blank.
http://i.imgur.com/GZUDPg0.jpg

Also, should there be all this tar-like substance around where the shifter plate (if thats what its even called) mounts to the tub?
http://i.imgur.com/dfCRLPj.jpg

upon dash removal, these bolts stripped and many of their red-painted counterparts are stripping as well... any advice before i make the situation worse? I tried some WD40, no penetrating oil yet. However it doesnt seem like it would matter since it all appears to be painted over completely... HELP!
http://i.imgur.com/Lv7cj8A.jpg

Here are some additional images of my day 1 progress:
http://i.imgur.com/520Rru3.jpg
(my buddy who pulled my sound system. He is a wiz with audio and will be re-wiring the whole thing properly. The sound system was a mangled mess)

http://i.imgur.com/yCPnNC0.jpg
My garage queens had to give up their spots for the tear down.

http://i.imgur.com/MzZ09yC.jpg
Mangled mess of a sound system all pulled out and sitting on top of the Tuffy lock box.

http://i.imgur.com/Iap0P9A.jpg
I am pretty happy with day 1 progress...

http://i.imgur.com/zz408rx.jpg
She shed a few hundred pounds id say lol!

By the way, with the hard top off and the doors off... HOLY WOW! I had such a speed/power increase when i took it around the block before putting her down in the garage for the next week or two. I think once everything is monstalined the doors and roof might stay off. Definitely the roof... no more hard top for me, i hate that thing... The doors might go back on...

xjrjrx 06-02-2013 01:07 AM

There is a lock nut under the shift knob I believe its 3/4 not sure loosen that nut and then you can twist the shift knob off will work on both then the boot comes right up and that tar like stuff is a sealant I just used a flap disc on an angle grinder to clean it to bare metal then primed it and rolled my liner on

petercass88 06-02-2013 10:21 AM

I got the gear shifter knob off but not the 4wd shift knob off. But then there is another boot underneath that I can get off now. Ill post pictures in a second.

petercass88 06-02-2013 10:33 AM

http://i.imgur.com/Tz5Yobb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/aOdhkHO.jpg

petercass88 06-02-2013 12:18 PM

im noticing more and more monstalined hinges. Can i paint right over my hinges when i do the exterior? Will it not freeze up the hinges?

The Silver Gorilla 06-02-2013 12:45 PM

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::thum b:

petercass88 06-02-2013 08:57 PM

Day 2... problems encountered!
 
So day 2 didnt go very far... All bolts holding in the roll cage are either frozen or I stripped them trying to break them free (Even lots of PB Blaster couldnt help get the job done) so the roll bar will sadly be staying in... It is okay though because it is going to be hit with the black monstaliner as well.
http://i.imgur.com/c6dUEEQ.jpg

The two pieces of the roll bar that extend to the windshield frame are going to be predator green like the body which i think will be a nice contrast.


Bolt was coming out nice and easy then BAM snapped right off... hopefully i can back what little is left in the roll bar out and put in a new bolt...
http://i.imgur.com/LlaBPkT.jpg

I stopped a day of frustration with attempting what i thought would be an easy task... remove the fender flares! However this one pesky bolt wouldnt come out...
http://i.imgur.com/DvS2HiE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ony8Xdg.jpg


Previous owner had a bit of a bottom out situation hidden under the drivers side flare. I made good use of the vice grips and hammer to get it somewhat decent looking and then stripped off the flaked paint and surface rust with the wire wheel.
http://i.imgur.com/mYa6dn5.jpg


Not sure if anyone is really reading through this tread. I kinda turned it into my own monstaliner thread. But if anyone is and you have any advice as i go here... please let me know! Complete Jeep newb just kinda going to town and having fun while i do it! Hopefully it all goes back together easily because i already miss driving it :dance:


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