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lordmike 05-24-2013 05:58 PM

Adjustable Control Arms
 
What does everybody think about adjustable control arms? The bushings in mine are a little (a lot) dry rotted and I would like to fix this. However, it seems like the consensus around here is that replacing bushings is a monster of a job. A mechanic suggested that I just replace the controls arms altogether. Is there any advantage to using aftermarket poly bushings? If I change the control arms should I stick with stock or go adjustable? I have 2.5" of lift in the front and 1.5" in the rear. Thanks!

GoldenSahara00 05-24-2013 06:02 PM

I would go adjustable just because the arms and joints will last a lifetime. Go with something with Johny Joints, or the newer Metal Cloak joints - duroflex, which give a little better ride with very similar longevity, as far as anyone can tell so far.

lordmike 05-24-2013 06:07 PM

I've heard great things about metal cloak but I never see them in any of the big catalogs.

GoldenSahara00 05-24-2013 06:33 PM

Don't worry about the big catalogs... That's the junk they are trying to push on you cause it's cheap, will break, and makes them money.

lordmike 05-24-2013 06:56 PM

Holy crap those are expensive!

EMTJEEP 05-24-2013 07:17 PM

MetalCloaks are not that expensive when looking at a good quality product. $180-270 isn't that bad Currie's/Savvy JJ arms are from $249-309.

GoldenSahara00 05-24-2013 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EMTJEEP (Post 3790366)
MetalCloaks are not that expensive when looking at a good quality product. $180-270 isn't that bad Currie's/Savvy JJ arms are from $249-309.

Ding Ding Ding we have a winner.

lordmike 05-24-2013 07:35 PM

Yeah, I went back to Quadratec and did a comparison, they aren't really that bad afterall. I was looking at the price for the entire set, I really choked on the nearly $1K pricetag, but if I want them all it makes sense to buy them all at once.

GoldenSahara00 05-24-2013 07:36 PM

Yep that is a big price tag to swallow but that's a component you won't ever need to replace again.

freeskier 05-24-2013 07:42 PM

Hold off for memorial weekend sales... I'm hoping Metalcloak starts theirs tomorrow because I'll be getting their full set of arms too. In the past they've done 10% off site wide then an extra 5% for forum members.

GoldenSahara00 05-24-2013 08:19 PM

My issue right now is I have too much I want and everything is on sale for memorial day. I get paid again at the end of the month right after sales are over.... typical.

lordmike 05-24-2013 08:24 PM

Lol, I just have too much I want. My jeep is my honeymoon machine. I am getting married in the fall and our honeymoon is a two week cross country roadtrip (all backroads) with my mastiff. I need to fix EVERYTHING by next January...

joedert 05-25-2013 07:00 AM

Search For Gen 2 | BDS Suspension What about these?

BLK00TJ 05-25-2013 09:43 AM

The JJ joints flex like crazy and I don't notice a bad ride at all from them. My bushings were 13 years old when I made the change too though. They are definitely worth it if you plan on lifting. If you are staying at stock height stay with stock arms. They are much better than the majority of arms you'll get from the Walmart style stores like Quadratec.

The stock arms may seem flimsy in their design, but they are designed to twist to relieve stress on your CA mounts. A tube style arm with poly bushings will go through bushings on a regular basis and put a lot of stress on the CA mounts to the point where they can cause them to be ripped off when the flex limits are reached.

lordmike 05-25-2013 12:03 PM

I really like the look of those metalcloak arms. Plus, I think that if I bought the kit, it opens the door to a larger metalcloak lift in the future!

EMTJEEP 05-25-2013 01:48 PM

If you do end up buying the 3.5" kit or their springs, keep in mind that the 3.5" of lift is based off a Jeep that is fully 'Cloaked, fenders/bumper/rockers. If you don't have all that you will most likely be getting 4-4.5" of lift depending how much weight you have on you jeep.

GoldenSahara00 05-25-2013 02:24 PM

Any news on the sale freeskier?

freeskier 05-25-2013 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenSahara00 (Post 3792151)
Any news on the sale freeskier?

No sale yet. I'll wait until Monday, if nothing I'll just buy them.

GoldenSahara00 05-25-2013 04:39 PM

I saw your post on jeepform asking matson and he didn't reply, I posted on their fb asking them if they were having a sale. Rokmen is having a nice sale and I have a fancy for their skid plate. And ruffstuff has 20% off on steering too which is tempting. Too many things to buy. You should be really happy with the full set of MC arms, that will be sweet :thumb: wish I had the coin for that right now.

lordmike 05-25-2013 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by EMTJEEP (Post 3792106)
If you do end up buying the 3.5" kit or their springs, keep in mind that the 3.5" of lift is based off a Jeep that is fully 'Cloaked, fenders/bumper/rockers. If you don't have all that you will most likely be getting 4-4.5" of lift depending how much weight you have on you jeep.

I have very little in my jeep... lol. If it isn't something I use everyday, I throw it out. I have a great big mastiff so I took out the back seat so he could have the back all to himself.

lordmike 05-25-2013 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenSahara00 (Post 3792360)
I saw your post on jeepform asking matson and he didn't reply, I posted on their fb asking them if they were having a sale. Rokmen is having a nice sale and I have a fancy for their skid plate. And ruffstuff has 20% off on steering too which is tempting. Too many things to buy. You should be really happy with the full set of MC arms, that will be sweet :thumb: wish I had the coin for that right now.

I agree that I'll be happy wtih MC arms but I need exhaust front to back, brakelines, and body mount work done before I can even dream about the MC arms. All in good time. My most recent upgrades make her ride like a dream so I'll be good for a little while. Luckily, I get bored with an upgrade about the time I have money for the next big upgrade :facepalm:

EMTJEEP 05-27-2013 01:11 PM

So MC is only doing Free Shipping for Memorial Day and it is only advertised on FaceBook. The Code is Freedom2013 and is only good for today.

GoldenSahara00 05-27-2013 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EMTJEEP (Post 3797292)
So MC is only doing Free Shipping for Memorial Day and it is only advertised on FaceBook. The Code is Freedom2013 and is only good for today.

Probably ordering my upper rears soon.

cchartrand 05-27-2013 02:21 PM

I was just doing a pre-lift once over of my TJ, and noticed the piss poor condition of my front LCA bushings. I was planning on doing my lift next weekend but now I'm not so sure. I'm already a couple grand deep into this project and I'm thinking while everything is apart, it might be time to replace those control arms w/ some nice adj's .the question is...... Proven performance/ reliability of Currie's, or new technology and cheaper price of Metalcloaks??? Oh yeah, and if I can squeeze another 300$ out of the family budget! ;)

cchartrand 05-27-2013 02:38 PM

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EMTJEEP 05-27-2013 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cchartrand (Post 3797414)
I was just doing a pre-lift once over of my TJ, and noticed the piss poor condition of my front LCA bushings. I was planning on doing my lift next weekend but now I'm not so sure. I'm already a couple grand deep into this project and I'm thinking while everything is apart, it might be time to replace those control arms w/ some nice adj's .the question is...... Proven performance/ reliability of Currie's, or new technology and cheaper price of Metalcloaks??? Oh yeah, and if I can squeeze another 300$ out of the family budget! ;)

What kind of lift are you doing? Are any of your arms aftermarket or all stock?

Here is a nice writeup on the Duroflex joints, by Imped. How the Metalcloak Duroflex bushing stacks up - JeepForum.com

cchartrand 05-27-2013 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EMTJEEP (Post 3797456)

What kind of lift are you doing? Are any of your arms aftermarket or all stock?

Here is a nice writeup on the Duroflex joints, by Imped. How the Metalcloak Duroflex bushing stacks up - JeepForum.com

Wow! Thanks for the link! Very informative . I'm doing a Zone 3" so obviously no control arms w/ the kit. I was hoping to keep stock arms for a while.... I even popped for the adj. cam bolt setup hoping to get castor/ pinion angle close. Being a dumb ass, I never took the time to examine those CA bushings.

GoldenSahara00 05-27-2013 03:10 PM

Or replace with new stock arms. Sure all new arms are nice but if you don't have a grand you don't have a grand. I ran the stock arms for the past 3 years and have no issues with them other than the fact they are semi weak and are not adjustable. I have broken a lot of parts but the arms are not one of them. They also flex so they don't rip the mounts off the axle.

cchartrand 05-27-2013 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenSahara00 (Post 3797514)
Or replace with new stock arms. Sure all new arms are nice but if you don't have a grand you don't have a grand. I ran the stock arms for the past 3 years and have no issues with them other than the fact they are semi weak and are not adjustable. I have broken a lot of parts but the arms are not one of them. They also flex so they don't rip the mounts off the axle.

I definitely DON'T have a grand! I'm Totaly w/ you on riding out the stock arms, but since my front LCA bushings look so ratty, I was thinking 300$ for new LCA's in the front might be money well spent. I also considered just getting new bushings but I've heard they're a PITA to install, plus that wouldn't address my castor/pinion angle issues.

GoldenSahara00 05-27-2013 04:04 PM

Sure would be. I just spent $$$ on their upper arms, it hurts paying that much for arms in my opinion. Hard to believe still. You can just get the whole arms from quadra w/ bushings installed pretty cheap, and they are very hard to install if you can even get them out. i had to cut the bolts on my donor axle I have in the garage.


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