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DrLecter90210 05-27-2013 06:16 PM

Superchip? Any real benefits?
 
Gas savings sounds too good to be true...

jkjeeper06 05-27-2013 06:36 PM

I believe they have better transmission response in autos and you can tune for different octanes

damndirtydog 05-27-2013 07:06 PM

Did some research and decided to put the roughly $400 bucks into more useful mods.
I personally didn't read anything that really sparked that much interest to purchase one. Seems that unless you've done engine mods like a supercharger or much larger tires, weekend wheeling schleps like me that don't plan to compete in the King of Hammers, is probably ok with out it.

SkullyLady 06-05-2013 12:26 AM

I coughed up the $589 for the Superchip TrailDash and it was one of the best purchases I could have made. Prior to the chip I was seeing about 12mpg. When I put it on the "Mileage XS" performance setting, I can get 22-23mpg. I was floored. On the "87 octane" performance setting, I get about 17mpg and stock I get about 18-19mpg. This is just speaking to the fuel savings.

It of course corrects the odometer. Some of the other notable features is the ability to increase your idle on the fly (useful when winching); you can use both lockers in a JK Rubi when in 4H and not just 4L; it adjusts when the car changes gears if you have an auto; you can set alerts to monitor performance; you can adjust the tire pressure system; it also has a pitch and roll and optional gauges to monitor (such as the tranny and engine temps).

Highly recommended for any Jeeper! Hope this helps.

Maren

Jt_Ripper 06-05-2013 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkullyLady (Post 3826904)
I coughed up the $589 for the Superchip TrailDash and it was one of the best purchases I could have made. Prior to the chip I was seeing about 12mpg. When I put it on the "Mileage XS" performance setting, I can get 22-23mpg. I was floored. On the "87 octane" performance setting, I get about 17mpg and stock I get about 18-19mpg. This is just speaking to the fuel savings.

It of course corrects the odometer. Some of the other notable features is the ability to increase your idle on the fly (useful when winching); you can use both lockers in a JK Rubi when in 4H and not just 4L; it adjusts when the car changes gears if you have an auto; you can set alerts to monitor performance; you can adjust the tire pressure system; it also has a pitch and roll and optional gauges to monitor (such as the tranny and engine temps).

Highly recommended for any Jeeper! Hope this helps.

Maren

I TOTALLY AGREE!!! best 600 bucks ive spent since my lift kit!!!

i was like you.. around town.. 13 or 14mpg... maybe 17 on freeway..

now im getting an avg 23 -24 depending on my heavy foot! its my daily and going to work now isnt as painful as it used to be!

ive had it for a week and love all the stuff it does.. hell im STILL learning!!!

DrLecter90210 06-05-2013 07:50 AM

Will it work like that on my 2007 manual jku?

JTPhoto JK 06-05-2013 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrLecter90210 (Post 3827552)
Will it work like that on my 2007 manual jku?

Yes it is good for a manual as well.
Setting throttle response, speedo limiter and rev limiter also make the jeep more enjoyable to drive. The octane tunes allow you to make the best of the higher octane fuels and there are mileage benefits to that. And of course the reprogram for bigger tire size.

Jeep757 06-05-2013 10:33 AM

Sounds like this could be a worth while mod, ive always wondered about how well these reprogramers work

lexington01 06-05-2013 11:16 AM

My understanding is that unless you have a turbo or a supercharger they don't do much. Don't you think the Chrysler engineers would eek out more gas mileage if they could?
I had a Saab turbo that I chipped and the difference was night and day.

DrLecter90210 06-05-2013 01:13 PM

That was my thought about Chrysler fixing the mileage if they could. Thanks

Rogerg 06-05-2013 01:28 PM

Lucky for those getting 20 + mpg..I would assume your rigs are stock.I get 14 mpg with my current setup.

I think they are worth the money specially for people with modded jeeps.

Rooster76 06-05-2013 01:31 PM

There are a Few Different Superchips Tuners
 
I started looking into this a bit for my 2012 manual. Here is what I found. I wonder if you remove the tune if it leaves any traces?

FLASHPAQ VS FLASHCAL VS Jeep VIVID LINQ
All these are made by superchips. The flashcal is the only one available for the 2012+ right now. It's $160 for the flashcal vs $350 for the flashpaq. There is also "Jeep VIVID LINQ" $350 that works via bluetooth with an android phone. It seems that it is like the flashpaq with a few added features.

FLASHCAL LINK>Jeep Flashcal
The flashcal is very similar to the $160 AEV procal in features (AEV-ProCal Module). It allows you to set tire, and axle ratios as its bread and butter. It also offers a few other tweaks not related to the engine. Many of those can be done anyways with the steering wheel controls or by doing wheel sequences ( http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/man...le-155357.html ).
http://www.superchips.com/Portals/3/...cal_Image2.png
KEY PRODUCT FEATURES: (pasted from web link)
• Corrects speedometer for tire upgrades between 22.5” - 44.25”
• Speedometer recalibration for gear /axle swaps up to 5.38
• Locking axle options with transfer case in 4-Hi & 4-Low (2007-10 Rubicon only) NOTE: AEV Procal doesn't have this.
• ESP stability optimization (2011-13 automatic transmission models only)
• Engine idle adjustability for winching
• Street legal TPMS adjustability (Off-Road options available for download)
• Daytime running light options (2007-12 models only)
• One touch lane change
• Radio delay options (2011-13 models only)
• Headlamp delay options (2011-13 models only)
• Horn chirp and exterior lighting flash options when locking doors with keyless entry ( It can be done easily anyways http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/man...le-155357.html )
• Reads and clears diagnostic trouble codes ( It can be done easily anyways http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/man...le-155357.html )
• Internet updatable

FLASHPAQ LINK>Jeep Flashpaq Off Road Tuner (link shows all features)
The flashpaq $350 offers all the engine tuning features. The basics of how it works are shown well here
LINK> Project-JK.com - Jeep JK Wrangler Resource Superchips Flashpaq Jeep JK Wrangler Installation Write-Up & Review
http://www.superchips.com/Portals/3/...hpaq-tuner.png

Jeep VIVID LINQ LINK>VIVID LINQ
This is the one that works with android phones.
http://www.superchips.com/Portals/3/...LINQ_Trans.png
  • Tuning-Industry leading tuning for trucks, Jeeps and performance cars delivering maximum horsepower, torque and world class drivability for your vehicle
  • Tune for high performance, heavy load towing, fuel economy or off-road uses
  • Syncs wirelessly with your vehicle using included Bluetooth dongle
  • Uses Android operating systems to provide a simple yet effective user interface to make tuning a snap
  • 50-state emissions legal
  • Guages
  • Intercept PIDs on the bus and display them in real-time
  • Gauges provide vital information when towing, off-road or at the track
  • Includes several gauge sets
  • Maximize track performance with real-time feedback
  • Inclinometer / G-Force Meter-Uses on-board 3-axis accelerometer and graphics accelerator to measure pitch and roll
  • Establish entrance and departure points for turns
  • Make last minute car setup adjustments at the track
  • Monitor off-road driving performance
  • Maintenance Minder-No more missing important maintenance intervals
  • Uses include reminders for oil changes, rotate tires and more
  • App automatically recognizes when a check engine light is on and provides a summary
  • Manufacturer Part Number (MPN): Superchips 1387

JEEP FACTORY WARRANTY?- Superchips recommends removing the tune before taking your Jeep in for service. If you didn't do so I believe that it could void any engine components, but other items like suspension would still be under warranty. It's possible that with the Flashcal that wouldn't even be an issue. After removing I wonder if it leaves any traces?

kjeeper10 06-05-2013 01:31 PM

Love mine. 93 octane + throttle response :thumb:

ThingsAbove 06-05-2013 01:39 PM

I've used tuners with custom programs on my diesel vehicles in the past. I haven't used them on gasoline engines.

But in general tuners can significantly improve fuel mileage by heavily leaning the mixture at partial throttle. But my understanding is that the OEM doesn't do this because leaning the mixture raises the exhaust temps which will change the NOx output (violating EPA regs?). A side effect of changing the NOx output is possible damage to the catalytic converter over time because typical 3-way cats expect a particular ratio of the gases they are converting to maintain a balance of the reactants in the converter.

cmaggi2 06-05-2013 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rooster76 (Post 3828496)
I started looking into this a bit for my 2012 manual. Here is what I found. I wonder if you remove the tune if it leaves any traces?

FLASHPAQ VS FLASHCAL VS Jeep VIVID LINQ
All these are made by superchips. The flashcal is the only one available for the 2012+ right now. It's $160 for the flashcal vs $350 for the flashpaq. There is also "Jeep VIVID LINQ" $350 that works via bluetooth with an android phone. It seems that it is like the flashpaq with a few added features.

FLASHCAL LINK>Jeep Flashcal
The flashcal is very similar to the $160 AEV procal in features (AEV-ProCal Module). It allows you to set tire, and axle ratios as its bread and butter. It also offers a few other tweaks not related to the engine. Many of those can be done anyways with the steering wheel controls or by doing wheel sequences ( http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/man...le-155357.html ).
http://www.superchips.com/Portals/3/...cal_Image2.png
KEY PRODUCT FEATURES: (pasted from web link)
Corrects speedometer for tire upgrades between 22.5 - 44.25
Speedometer recalibration for gear /axle swaps up to 5.38
Locking axle options with transfer case in 4-Hi & 4-Low (2007-10 Rubicon only) NOTE: AEV Procal doesn't have this.
ESP stability optimization (2011-13 automatic transmission models only)
Engine idle adjustability for winching
Street legal TPMS adjustability (Off-Road options available for download)
Daytime running light options (2007-12 models only)
One touch lane change
Radio delay options (2011-13 models only)
Headlamp delay options (2011-13 models only)
Horn chirp and exterior lighting flash options when locking doors with keyless entry ( It can be done easily anyways http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/man...le-155357.html )
Reads and clears diagnostic trouble codes ( It can be done easily anyways http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/man...le-155357.html )
Internet updatable

FLASHPAQ LINK>Jeep Flashpaq Off Road Tuner (link shows all features)
The flashpaq $350 offers all the engine tuning features. The basics of how it works are shown well here
LINK> Project-JK.com - Jeep JK Wrangler Resource Superchips Flashpaq Jeep JK Wrangler Installation Write-Up & Review
http://www.superchips.com/Portals/3/...hpaq-tuner.png

Jeep VIVID LINQ LINK>VIVID LINQ
This is the one that works with android phones.
http://www.superchips.com/Portals/3/...LINQ_Trans.png
  • Tuning-Industry leading tuning for trucks, Jeeps and performance cars delivering maximum horsepower, torque and world class drivability for your vehicle
  • Tune for high performance, heavy load towing, fuel economy or off-road uses
  • Syncs wirelessly with your vehicle using included Bluetooth dongle
  • Uses Android operating systems to provide a simple yet effective user interface to make tuning a snap
  • 50-state emissions legal
  • Guages
  • Intercept PIDs on the bus and display them in real-time
  • Gauges provide vital information when towing, off-road or at the track
  • Includes several gauge sets
  • Maximize track performance with real-time feedback
  • Inclinometer / G-Force Meter-Uses on-board 3-axis accelerometer and graphics accelerator to measure pitch and roll
  • Establish entrance and departure points for turns
  • Make last minute car setup adjustments at the track
  • Monitor off-road driving performance
  • Maintenance Minder-No more missing important maintenance intervals
  • Uses include reminders for oil changes, rotate tires and more
  • App automatically recognizes when a check engine light is on and provides a summary
  • Manufacturer Part Number (MPN): Superchips 1387

JEEP FACTORY WARRANTY?- Superchips recommends removing the tune before taking your Jeep in for service. If you didn't do so I believe that it could void any engine components, but other items like suspension would still be under warranty. It's possible that with the Flashcal that wouldn't even be an issue. After removing I wonder if it leaves any traces?

A Chrysler employee said it does leave a trace even if you go back to stock. After some research, many of the newer computer systems in modern vehicles can do this too. I'm guessing you should go back to stock so the Flashpaq will pick up any updates to the Chyrsler stock "tune" when you get home.

That said, I still have a Flashpaq and love it (2010). I haven't heard of the dealership refusing warranty work from a tuner, but I'd love to know if this has happened.

JTPhoto JK 06-05-2013 01:58 PM

That is another difference between the 07-10 and 11-13 computer. The tuners don't leave a trace on the 07-10, but the newer programming on the 11-13+ computer tracks changes in programming.

Jt_Ripper 06-05-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogerg (Post 3828482)
Lucky for those getting 20 + mpg..I would assume your rigs are stock.I get 14 mpg with my current setup.

I think they are worth the money specially for people with modded jeeps.

Nope. I have a 4 inch lift and 285 on 17's


I noticed t the diff after a wee of driving I went from filling up every Friday to gassing up wed.

And I think I read on traildash web page they don't suggest using it with a turbo or supercharger.

And it's not quite ready for the new motor I heard.

Jt_Ripper 06-05-2013 09:00 PM

Attachment 258138

Mileage as of Sundays fill up

Jeep757 06-06-2013 10:27 PM

Anyone else with a manuel jk(preferably a 3.8) tbat have used a flashpaq? Any good/decent improvements?

Nello 06-08-2013 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jt_Ripper (Post 3826917)
I TOTALLY AGREE!!! best 600 bucks ive spent since my lift kit!!!

i was like you.. around town.. 13 or 14mpg... maybe 17 on freeway..

now im getting an avg 23 -24 depending on my heavy foot! its my daily and going to work now isnt as painful as it used to be!

ive had it for a week and love all the stuff it does.. hell im STILL learning!!!

Is this available for the 2012 yet?

Jt_Ripper 06-12-2013 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nello (Post 3840278)

Is this available for the 2012 yet?

It is but I've heard it has issue with the 3.6 might want to check their web site to be sure

dembr01 07-03-2013 09:37 PM

So let me ask, I just traded in my 2010 sahara for a 2013, I had Nitto 285/60 r18 with sensors on the 2010 and I merely transferred them to the 2013. within 20 miles the TPMS lights went off the charts. Anyways I have a Flashcal superchip which I adjusted the tire pressure to 0, turns the tire pressure light off, but does not disable the TPMS all together, u still get the 4 tires with 0 tire pressure on them every time you start the car. I'm assuming I need upgraded sensors , bit the tires are in great shape, I would take them off every winter and put the factory ones back on, its not economical to buy, install and mount 5 new sensors for like 200 and change at least for now. So does anyone have experience or can guide me for some basic questions.
1) can I use the FlashCal to disable TPMS all together, reset it and make it not show up as an error.
2) The axle ratio standard was 3.72 should I also adjust that lower to like 3.50 for the bigger tires and will that give better gas out put/performance etc or should I leave it at 3.72. Just trying to figure out how to keep the great look and not have to spend a ton of money with all new sensors and impact the performance.
Thanks

rics1997 07-03-2013 09:45 PM

I get about 1 mpg better gas mileage running my Superchips in 87 tune. Tested it several times. Better throttle response also. Don't regret getting mine.

jrussblues 07-03-2013 10:52 PM

I run a flashpaq on 10 rubicon with 35's and get better mpg than stock...throttle response is better. A cai and exhaust made it much more responsive though. I run 87 performance tune.

kjeeper10 07-03-2013 10:54 PM

Been running the 93 octane tune for over a year. Heavier 35's now and she gets around just fine.

Martin10 07-04-2013 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThingsAbove (Post 3828527)
I've used tuners with custom programs on my diesel vehicles in the past. I haven't used them on gasoline engines.

But in general tuners can significantly improve fuel mileage by heavily leaning the mixture at partial throttle. But my understanding is that the OEM doesn't do this because leaning the mixture raises the exhaust temps which will change the NOx output (violating EPA regs?). A side effect of changing the NOx output is possible damage to the catalytic converter over time because typical 3-way cats expect a particular ratio of the gases they are converting to maintain a balance of the reactants in the converter.

On gas engines some of these tuners work just the opposite. The ignition timing on gas engines is often retarded to make the engine run hotter and thus reduce emissions. So increasing the ignition timing frees up some power and makes for better throttle response. At least that is the way it works for some of these units.

8figgas 07-04-2013 07:41 AM

Same here, running 33s
Quote:

Originally Posted by rics1997 (Post 3925842)
I get about 1 mpg better gas mileage running my Superchips in 87 tune. Tested it several times. Better throttle response also. Don't regret getting mine.


cmaggi2 07-04-2013 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dembr01 (Post 3925796)
So let me ask, I just traded in my 2010 sahara for a 2013, I had Nitto 285/60 r18 with sensors on the 2010 and I merely transferred them to the 2013. within 20 miles the TPMS lights went off the charts. Anyways I have a Flashcal superchip which I adjusted the tire pressure to 0, turns the tire pressure light off, but does not disable the TPMS all together, u still get the 4 tires with 0 tire pressure on them every time you start the car. I'm assuming I need upgraded sensors , bit the tires are in great shape, I would take them off every winter and put the factory ones back on, its not economical to buy, install and mount 5 new sensors for like 200 and change at least for now. So does anyone have experience or can guide me for some basic questions.
1) can I use the FlashCal to disable TPMS all together, reset it and make it not show up as an error.
2) The axle ratio standard was 3.72 should I also adjust that lower to like 3.50 for the bigger tires and will that give better gas out put/performance etc or should I leave it at 3.72. Just trying to figure out how to keep the great look and not have to spend a ton of money with all new sensors and impact the performance.
Thanks

Your gear ratio on the FlashCal needs to match your actual ratio. On the Flashpaq, you can use off road tpms mode to effectively turn off the TPMS. I don't know if the FlashCal does that, plus I have a 2010.

SkullyLady 09-13-2013 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogerg (Post 3828482)
Lucky for those getting 20 + mpg..I would assume your rigs are stock.I get 14 mpg with my current setup.

I think they are worth the money specially for people with modded jeeps.

Not stock here. 5.5" long arm lift, 5.13 gears, 37" tires. I wouldn't waste the money on a stock Jeep as it wouldn't make any sense.

Rogerg 09-14-2013 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkullyLady (Post 4557497)
Not stock here. 5.5" long arm lift, 5.13 gears, 37" tires. I wouldn't waste the money on a stock Jeep as it wouldn't make any sense.

I did worded it wrong...but I have 4" lift on 37s with 5.13 gears and at best only get 15..nowhere near what you are getting. Would like to know how you get 20 + for even when I have it set on "mileage xs", tire measurements set properly, gear ratio set to 5.13 still cant touch 16. I drive conservative so its not that, did you do any engine mods? Which by the way what I meant when I asked if its stock.

I got the tuner when I regeared and 37s so I can recalibrate my speedo and program the right gears. I really don't care about gas mileage but would welcome it if I can get it. Had the tuner since 09.


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